Can heterosexuality exist without homosexuality, can one be right-wing whithout the left-wing?, page

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Yes, also have seen psychology and other humanities' studies books influenced by this. I must agree so far - most sociological male groups amongst Western teens and young men (another dodgy difference) that were sociologically studied defined themselfves by what they "were not", and what "they were opposed to".
"Antithesis" makes up for explaining more human behaviour than several other factors.



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reply to post by halfoldman

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The fact is they both exist. It is not a question of if they can, they do! So yes they can.

Do people in their small minded and corrupted minds accept that they exist? That is a different question. Man always tries to rebel against nature. You cannot fight it. You cannot outsmart it, bend it twist it or break it.
You can only understand it and try to work with it to produce an end result that is respectful and fair to both humans and nature.

reply to post by halfoldman

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I will never reproduce it, but I'm so tired of especially black and gay men being represented as life-long conflicted teenage boys.
I cannot believe the fictions of ourselves we accept every day.
And yet the power behind oppression goes unquestioned,
And unchallenged.
Every day,
In every way,
everyday.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by halfoldman

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The fact is they both exist. It is not a question of if they can, they do! So yes they can.

Do people in their small minded and corrupted minds accept that they exist? That is a different question. Man always tries to rebel against nature. You cannot fight it. You cannot outsmart it, bend it twist it or break it.
You can only understand it and try to work with it to produce an end result that is respectful and fair to both humans and nature.

A convincing position. But how have we defined "nature"?
Nature can be "dead" and "static", or something that men observe. A more female, native view would see it as including us, alive and fluid.

reply to post by rusethorcain

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My granny too was, and still is left handed. She hated school because she was beaten harshly for that. And still today being left handed connotes political things, and the "left hand path" (or black magic).

So it is true what you say: judgement comes from power.

reply to post by halfoldman

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Can heterosexuality exist without homosexuality, can one be right-wing whithout the left-wing?

What a load of crap!!!!!! First off, the word "heterosexuality" itself, already is redundant 'cos MALE and FEMALE genders NATURALLY complete each other. Period. Life and species existence, spin around and depending on the MALE and FEMALE interaction. It's a CLOSE CIRCLE. "Homosexuality" doesn't exist, 'cos DOESN'T EXIST a third gender. The behavior of gays and lesbians is DISTORTION OF PERSONALITY. No matter how stupid theories and excuses they invent to justify the fact they don't accept the natural way the things are. Actually they hate the magnificent thing the MALE/FEMALE relationship is. The amazing and unequalled energy that flows between a man and a woman. The sexual act between a man and a woman, is the holy grail, it's a cosmic travel, it's the growth of the spirit, MAINLY if there is love among the couple. There's nothing like that. Anything in opposite side of this joy fountain, has failed as human being.

reply to post by halfoldman

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People are born male or female mostly, but masculinity and femininity is learnt. And what is left-wing and righ-wing politics, when both Hitler and Stalin had concentration camps that killed millions?

So I'd say that no: heterosexuality cannot exist without the gay "other". There would be nothing to make it "heterosexual" otherwise.

Originally posted by ucalien
reply to post by halfoldman

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Can heterosexuality exist without homosexuality, can one be right-wing whithout the left-wing?

What a load of crap!!!!!! First off, the word "heterosexuality" itself, already is redundant 'cos MALE and FEMALE genders NATURALLY complete each other. Period. Life and species existence, spin around and depending on the MALE and FEMALE interaction. It's a CLOSE CIRCLE. "Homosexuality" doesn't exist, 'cos DOESN'T EXIST a third gender. The behavior of gays and lesbians is DISTORTION OF PERSONALITY. No matter how stupid theories and excuses they invent to justify the fact they don't accept the natural way the things are. Actually they hate the magnificent thing the MALE/FEMALE relationship is. The amazing and unequalled energy that flows between a man and a woman. The sexual act between a man and a woman, is the holy grail, it's a cosmic travel, it's the growth of the spirit, MAINLY if there is love among the couple. There's nothing like that. Anything in opposite side of this joy fountain, has failed as human being.

Ok, you take a strong position. Some thoughts:
- You dislike the term "heterosexuality"; and you argue "people" a male and female "complete" each other. Considering all the hetero violence, abuse and legal troubles between the genders we see on telly and in our comminities every day, how can you argue that?
Whatever you mean by "completing each other" is mythological received knowledge, and not the reality most of us witness daily in hetero relationships - unless you think killing each other is "completing each other" .
So good on you mate, you're obviosly in the perfect relationship! There's gay relationships like that too.

At best, what you are expressing is an ideal. But still, you compare it to something else ...

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reply to post by northexpedition

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You seem to be repeating the binaries here with a moral twist: homosexuality is wrong/heterosexuality is right. More precise you refer to these sexual binaries only as acts rather than also identities and desires, but that's fair enough. However a lot of "hedonism" goes on in heterosexuality too, in fact all sexuality is open to hedonism, but you choose to label it only on the homosexual side of the dichotomy. Sure, hetero acts can propogate the species, but they can also endanger it through overpopulation, stretching scarce resources and producing masses of unwanted children. Since only a minority will be exclusively gay, the propagation will also not be endangered by heterosexual acts per se.

In any case, to move a bit to wider themes on the topic of structuralism in conspiracy, can the Western "freedoms" be percieved as such without dictatorial rogue states (like North Korea, for example, or at least that's how it's presented to us by the MSM)? Without the binary of a tyranny, our democracies would not seem that "free" in themselves at all. So the existence and creation of chaotic or tyrannical states is crucial to the MSM, because only by their comparison can we think of ourselves as free at all.

reply to post by halfoldman

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My main argument here stems from the structuralist interest in binaries, or opposed dichotomies. Taking their cue from Saussure and the French collective of 1960's structuralsists, some see society as a system of difference. That means an identity or topic only exists because it is different from others.

Structuralism and postmodernist ideas in general are worthwhile and fruitful in literary and art criticism, and just about totally useless in any other area.

Worse than useless, in fact: tendentious and misleading.

The proposition is easily refuted thus: can there be gravity without antigravity? Evidently there can.

reply to post by Astyanax

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Good point, and I think they can cause trouble when they are misapplied. It's the first crtitique of the methodology so far and I guess not too many people are familiar with it.
However, there is a great deal of interest in anti-gravity and do we really know totally that one can exist without the other? I mean if matter and mass are strings or tiny dimensions or whatever, them how have we measured those things so far? So even in science we have matter/anti-matter, gravity/antigravity - I'm not a scientist, but maybe one day those things will be refined into matter/dark matter and so forth.

reply to post by ucalien

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The behavior of gays and lesbians is DISTORTION OF PERSONALITY.

Wrong.

Even animals in the wild can change their sexuality. If there are not enough female frogs to lay eggs male frogs will turn into females. They are not distorting their personality. They are surviving.

A persons given sexuality is in accordance with NATURE and the natural world. It is inescapable and unavoidable. It is determined by what ever the species requires for it's continued survival.

I am not mother nature but maybe the planet is too fat and overloaded with baby makers and our very existence, and the planets hope for survival is dependent on a little less population explosion and more adoption of the kids that are already here no one wants.

And btw there is a third sex - "all of the above."

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