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FBI Raids Michigan Militia?

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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 02:14 AM
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ya'll need to go here

I have no idea why mods dont delete this thread
there's 2 of them

www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 02:46 AM
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Actually being a "secret" commander is the best. You give orders and pass information without people knowing your existence. For instance you might have sensitive information and need to pass it along that might help out a group, you want that group to get the information...what do you do....you leave it there for them to get in thier mailbox...favorite hangout...whatnot....you are the "secret" commander that knows what is going on and no one even knows you exist....the key to success is people not knowing you exist but are doing most of the work in secret.

An military has to have an objective to kill, hunt destroy in their mission. It might be a person, a building or soemthing....how do you kill something that does not even exist. You survive on your own in secret without outside interference.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 03:11 AM
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I very much enjoyed your 2 threads
concerning communications and meeting places.
very informative. however, the timing of said
articles leaves ponderance



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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Thanks . I just think about certain thigns a lot, sometimes im a control freak....I like being in control of my life and the things that go on around me...hence the survival/communication. When no cell phones are around...I still want the comfort and convenience for instance.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 03:24 AM
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lol
sounds like empathy
funny thing about that term
sometimes it has bad consequences



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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Well some of these militia folks are actually pretty crazy to be honest, I'm really concerend mostly about natural disasters (eg gas shortage, major storm), but those who want to do harm could extrapolate survival knowledge and do bad things.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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ur right
even a piece of paper can be a deadly weapon
or a finger nail, or a paper clip
and even a human hair

folks dont need a weapon to be dangerous.
environment and knowledge is much more
dangerous and mostly go un-noticed

all the firepower u would ever need
is right on the human body



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by boondock-saint
 


Actually being a "secret" commander is the best. You give orders and pass information without people knowing your existence. For instance you might have sensitive information and need to pass it along that might help out a group, you want that group to get the information...what do you do....you leave it there for them to get in thier mailbox...favorite hangout...whatnot....you are the "secret" commander that knows what is going on and no one even knows you exist....the key to success is people not knowing you exist but are doing most of the work in secret.

I disagree completely. I say lets take the mask off everybody, and I do mean *EVERYBODY*, especially those who use secrecy as a weapon. The only way we can have a free nation is by starting with freedom of information. You could say I am now inspired to offer these services to anyone who supports freedom. Thank you for the inspiration.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
ya'll need to go here

I have no idea why mods dont delete this thread
there's 2 of them

www.abovetopsecret.com...


It's because they are in different forums genius.

Why don't you hang around for a while before you start playing jr. mod.??



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:02 AM
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Wow I feel SO much better now that that FBI has raided these religious wackos.


Now how about they go raid the other religious wackos that are actually trying to perpetrate terrorism in the US.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:06 AM
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Not sure if it was mentioned in this thread but Federal raids were also conducted in Sandusky and Huron, Ohio about an hour west of me.


A battalion of local officers and federal agents flooded the Bayshore Estates neighborhood Saturday afternoon.

A second raid was conducted in Huron. An FBI agent at the scene of the Bayshore Estates raid said a second, related raid was taking place at “another location.” Huron police confirmed late Saturday a raid had taken place in that city, but would say nothing more.

Likewise, FBI agents at the scene and at the Cleveland field office are staying mum on the cause of the commotion.

“We did make some arrests,” said special agent Scott Wilson of the FBI’s Cleveland office.

He said the warrants were sealed in federal court and he could not release any information until after the suspects appear in court Monday.

Sandusky Police, Erie County Sheriff’s deputies, agents from Toledo Police Bomb Squad and Cleveland Regional Transit Authority’s K9 Unit assisted at the scene.

Capt. Paul Sigsworth of the Erie County Sheriff’s office said he could not talk about the investigation.

Agents at Bayshore Estates yelled at residents to stay back at least a block from where they conducted the arrest on East Cedarwood Drive. Agents placed a handcuffed white male wearing a black shirt into a silver car.

Some officers in green uniforms carried large automatic rifles.

“We’re definitely in the dark,” said Terry Mills, who manages the trailer park with his wife, Barb.

A resident who asked her name not be used said she was reading in her living room when she heard sounds “like a semi” and a police radio, and looked outside to see two agents in FBI jackets crouching behind her car and more armed officers in her lawn.

She said an armored vehicle at the scene was one she’d seen earlier in the day on West Perkins Avenue.

The quiet east side neighborhood has seen its share of disturbances this year. It’s been the site of three total-loss trailer fires, one of which killed veteran John C. O’Reilly, 66, on New Year’s Day.

“It’s getting to be too much now,” Mills said.

He said he didn’t know who was arrested or why.


www.sanduskyregister.com...



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:33 AM
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Christian Militia Raid: Were the Hutaree Targeted for Threats Against Muslims?

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Planning to kill law enforcement, is what FOX is saying, yet this above article says they were after Islamic groups.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Here is some info ,

Christian Militia Raid: Were the Hutaree Targeted for Threats Against Muslims?

abcnews.go.com...
Here is info from last night also,



Dawud Walid, head of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he was told that the Christian militia group may have been plotting against American Muslims.

"We salute the FBI for breaking up a militia that was seeking to harm American Muslims," Walid said.

www.freep.com...
Walid said he publicly announced the FBI raids at his group's 10th annual banquet today in Dearborn, which featured the Rev. Jesse Jackson as the keynote speaker.


So which is it ?
law enforcement, or Muslims?



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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Sup StormD777,

Here is the actual indictment against this group:

www.annarbor.com...



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Sup StormD777,

Here is the actual indictment against this group:

www.annarbor.com...


Hey, True, thanks.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Listening to a live stream here:

militiaradio.com...

Some people are on there who claim to know these folks since childhood, and they are saying that everything the media is saying is a lie. No specific comments on the actual indictment yet.

They are saying militia are mobilizing now, and that this is not over.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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WOW. I don't know what to say.

I have read on other forums that this was an informant set up.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:52 AM
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I find the timing of this raid to be rather suspect. I suspect that any and all dissenters are expected to heed this warning. The MSM is having a field day with this story because they can throw around the extreme right wing label around like a Nerf ball.

Just an attempt to give a black eye to the legitimate militia groups that openly exist in the country.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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This was the first contingency plan to demonize anyone dissenting. If this does not slow down the rhetoric against the gov, expect a red flag to really make people say the militias are evil.

1,2,3

They are ahead by a couple steps. They always have been. Remember, do not react. That is what they want.

You lose if you react.

Watch for CIP to try and get a rise out of you to say something wrong. Several are on walkabout. Keep an eye out for them.

Do not need our source of communication shut down next.

This may be their purpose also. This group supposedly was disseminating info over the web. The web is dangerous. The gov must save you from these dangerous Christians. They are the bad guys. The gov will save you. These are the bad guys, the gov will save you.


Notice the total different slant Fox is going now. Kinda almost like they became MSNBC overnight now, huh. Praising how good this health care bill is. Watch for the Repubs to start the same speal.


C'mon people. Use the things you have learned. Black propaganda, CoIntelPro.

Harry Houdini could make you believe he could do anything. Do you think they would not use what ol Harry taught em?

Break it down and get some true sources for info. Not JUST the MSM.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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Well, after reading the indictment, the word Muslim or Islamic does not appear at all, and this was in no way directed against Muslims. And that right there tells that the MSM will lie through their teeth.


But even so, I still don't agree with militia targeting local police either, if this is true. But the real question is- is this true, or just another propaganda campaign with these people being arrested to present the "basis" to demonize all other militia- just like they try to do with the 9/11 truth movement.

[edit on Mon Mar 29th 2010 by TrueAmerican]




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