why did you turn/born gay/lesbian???

Hey up peopele there are a lot of senseless threads at the moment about being gay right!? yeah you've seen them and probably commented too..

Serious as it is to all these topics your all forgetting one thing!

Why not let the gay/lesbian people share their views with us and help us all understand that its ok to be gay/lesbian.

Being gay isn't a crime so why treat it as such???
being homophobic is a crime, so why not put your stakes away and talk about it and share the understanding of nature....

everything on earth is natural, everything on earth shares a beauty, we only wreck this beauty by defacing it and that's what is happening here.

So for a friendly thread lets discuss and help understand...

On a serious note no bad manners or comments.
There are a lot of gay/lesbian people on ATS so why not show them that they can be on ATS and not feel infuriated by others dismiss on such subject.

believe it or not gay people are in our lives daily take a peek

Famous Lesbians and Bisexual Women

And You Thought You Were the Only One!

Jane Addams is a Nobel Peace Prize winner and founder of Hull House.

Christina Aguilera says she loves kissing women.
Tammy Baldwin from Wisconsin, is the first out lesbian Congresswoman.

Drew Barrymore recently said, "Do I like women sexually? Yeah, I do."

Jennifer Beals plays Bette Porter on The L Word.

Alison Bechdel is the author of Dykes to Watch Out For comic strip.

Colonel Margarethe Cammermeyer is the highest ranking military official to come out while in the service.

Catie Curtis is a singer/songwriter who has been out her whole career.

Kate Clinton is a lesbian comedian and actress who makes me laugh.

Tee Corinne was an artist who was famous for her # Coloring Book.

Ellen DeGeneres came out shortly after the character she played on TV did in 1996. She now stars in her own daily talk show.

Portia de Rossi stars in Fox TV's Arrested Development and is dating Ellen DeGeneres.

Marlene Dietrich: This 1920s film star, famous for cross-dressing, had an affair with writer Mercedes deAcosta.

Ani DiFranco: This bisexual rocker is one of the most successful artists on an indepedent label.

Danielle Egnew is a lesbian musician, writer, actress and psychic.

Melissa Etheridge: Grammy winner Melissa came out at the 1993 Presidential Inauguration.

Melissa Ferrick is an out lesbian rocker.

Nelly Furtado came out as bisexual and wants her own gay pride parade.

Janina Gavankar plays Papi on The L Word.

Gina Gershon: She has played a lesbian plenty of times in her film and television roles. But, is Gina Gershon a lesbian?

Sara Gilbert played Darlene on Rosanne from 1988 to 1997.

Missy Giove: Missy, the Missle, World Champion and World Cup winner is one of the fastest female downhill mountain bike racers in the world.

God-dess is an out and proud lesbian hip-hop artist and part of the group God-dess & She.

Leisha Hailey: Leisha was a member of the rock duo, The Murmurs, dated kd lang and now stars in The L Word on Showtime.

Sophie B. Hawkins came out as omnisexual and was nominated for a Grammy in 1992 for Damn, Wish I was your Lover.

Alexandra Hedison was once lovers with Ellen DeGeneres, but she is best known for her guest role as Dylan on The L Word.

Janis Ian: Winner of two Grammy awards, Janis released her first album at age 15.

Indigo Girls: Amy Ray and Emily Saliers make up this out, politically active folk/rock duo.

Angelina Jolie is an out and proud bisexual actress.

Rosie Jones: Winner of 13 LPGA golf titles, Jones came out in March of 2004 to accept a sponsorship from a lesbian travel company.

Janis Joplin: Although Janis Joplin did not self-identify as bisexual, she did have relationships with both men and women.

Barbara Jordan: achieved many firsts for African Americans and women.

Frida Kahlo: One of the most famous painters of our time, both she and her husband Diego Rivera were said to have affairs with both men and women.

Billie Jean King is one of the world's best tennis players and women's rights advocate.

kd lang: Grammy winner kd began her career in country music and caused more of a stir coming out as a vegetarian than as a lesbian.

Lucy Liu: The Charlie's Angels star admits to kissing women.

Kristanna Loken starred in Terminator 3 and Bloodrayne

Karina Lombard: Plays Marina on The L Word.

Audre Lorde: The self-described Black lesbian mother, warrior, poet wrote poetry and Zami: A New Spelling of My Name.

Phyllis Lyon: Author of Lesbian/Woman was the first same-sex person legally married in the United States.

Del Martin: A lesbian activist since the 1950s, Del Martin married her partner of more than 50 years on February 12, 2004.

Heather Matarazzo: starred in the Princess Diaries movies and numerous TV shows.

Amelie Mauresmo is one of the top tennis players in the world.

Tammy Lynn Michaels: Michaels played the bitchy Nicole Julian on WB's drama Popular and has a role in the lesbian series The L Word. Perhaps she is best known for her marriage to Rocker Melissa Etheridge.

Katherine "Kate" Moennig plays heart-throb Shane on The L Word.

Tyria Moore was lover's with serial killer Aileen Wuornos and was portrayed by Christina Ricci in the movie Monster.

Martina Navratilova: This Czechoslovakian born American tennis player won more singles titles than any other player in history, male or female.

Me'Shell NdegeOcello: This out bisexual bass player extraordinaire has four albums to her credit and a hit record with John Mellencamp.

Cynthia Nixon played Miranda on Sex in the City.

Rosie O'Donnell: The talk show host came out, in part to help fight for the rights of gay and lesbian parents.

Ma Rainey was known as the Mother of the Blues and did not hide her preference for women in her songs in the 1920s.

Amy Ray is a lesbian rocker and part of the musical duo, The Indigo Girls.

Michelle Rodriguez is an actress and the star of Girlfight

Eleanor Roosevelt: Former First Lady and wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt had a long-term relationship with another woman.

Vita Sackville-West:English poet and novelist.

Sappho: A Greek poet from the Isle of Lesbos, Sappho penned love sonnets to women. She lived from 610-580 B.C.

Daniela Sea plays Max on The L Word.

Sarah Shahi plays Carmen on The L Word.

Gertrude Stein was a writer and out lesbian who lived her life with Alice B. Toklas 1874-1946.

Sheryl Swoopes is a three-time MVP of the WNBA and Olympic Gold medalist in basketball.

Jackie Warner is the star

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I think this is a great idea. I'm curious if there are some really origanal stories to be told.

edit.
I can tell that a big part of the Dutch entertaining industrie has is gay.
The biggest names are almost all gay.

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I think everyone is cool with gay people on ATS, except the hardcore bible thumpers. Besides that I think we are all opened minded enough to be ok with people who are gay. I think people are born gay, and not chose to be gay for the simple reason so many people have not come out of the closet yet. Like James Randi for example he just came out of the closet after 75 years or something. Examples of this just shows it is not a choice.

Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
why did you turn/born gay/lesbian???

I'm not gay myself but it's a strange question. If you're born gay, how can you ask as to why you were "born gay"? That's like asking "why were you born with blue eyes?"; as if there were an element of choice.

People don't choose how they're born.

lol but some people do think they are born gay!..

lets just see what our community has to say about themselves!!

you may be surprised!!

reply to post by Maddogkull


That is an excellent point about coming out.

I've never really put much thought into if it is a choice or a genetic thing.

I don't think it's a sin however (just to throw this in there, I am a Mormon, so please don't group me with others of my faith..). If it were a sin, it's none of my business as my God tells me to love all of my neighbors and not to judge.

I can't see how it is a choice of who we love or are attracted to. If it were.. where would God stand on people born with a penis and a vagina. But what do I know.. not much.

I know it doesn't matter and that it's better to love than hate.

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Double post, sorry.

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reply to post by jumpingbeanz


Good stuff...


Happygolucky: loves women, took home-ec instead of wood shop, despises the 'gender keeping' industries of make up and high heels, pretty much was born a Lesbian in a mans body and would love to be reincarnated as one if the offer came along.


Viva La Lesbian Revolución..!

I completely don't see the need to openly discuss sexual preferences, here, there or anywhere.
No matter what team you bat for, or whether you swing both ways, does it really need to be open for debate as to whether it is right or wrong?
Why is akin to discussing politics and religion?
I totally don't give a rat's patootie what anyone's preference is, or whether they either feel the need to suppress it or have a damn proud parade about it.
Your choice is your choice, about sexual preference just like anything else in your life including what beliefs you have religiously or politically speaking.
Others are entitled to their opinion, but it should have ZERO to do with your choice.
Quite honestly, the movement of political correctness has openly made mountains out of too many molehills, and I'm quite tired of it.
I'd gladly go back to the ways of my youth where certain things were just not openly discussed because it really was nobody else's business but your own.

reply to post by jumpingbeanz

I'm not sure what is wanted here: scientific socio-biological research or personal opinions on why some people are gay? Or is it about a coming out story when we first realized we were gay?
I would say that being gay is a Western default class for a huge body of gender non-conformist people.
If we define "homosexuality" as being physically or romatically attracted to the same sex, then our numbers are huge and over-riding in the general population. If we refer to people who are exclusively "gay" and only choose the same-sex romatically and sexually during their lives, then our numbers are very small.
To sum up, I realized when I was about 5 and fantasized about the head-boy in school. I also played with dolls and the girls, which ironically led people to say I'd be the "lady's man" one day. I was never molested, and my brother is straight.
Science has few answers at present, since the whole gene thing is related to environment, and possibly even hormones in the womb.

What I want to know is: why do people always want confessional material from "exclusive gays and lesbians". I know that same-sex things were going on with people who are now straight. So, does becoming hetero have a developmental gay phase? Why is it always us vs. them (no matter how well it is meant)? Most "gay" behaviour on this planet today occurs amongst people who are nominally hetero (prisons, the sex/porn industry, homosocial occupations). So why do threads never start: "I've had same-sex experiences or feelings myself....but I never went gay."

Gender non-conformist behaviour is widespread amongst heteros (not all women are feminie, or all men masculine). Sexuality is considered more fluid amongst women (Madonna kissing Britney) than men - a reversal of Victorian norms where male cross-dressing on stage was the norm, and all female sexuality was repressed.
So my point is: why is it always about the gay minority, when most gay behaviour is in the closet and strongly tied to modern constructs of gender?

Ultimately the hetero majority allows certain spaces for alternative sexuality - as such the question should be thrown back at them. They define us, they create coming out moments, they speak for power.
Dear hetero, when did you first realize you were NOT GAY?
When you found out there were alternatives to heterosexuality, then I would like to know dear heterosexual, what made YOU stay in that power system?

(PS. I love the thread, no insult intended, just taking it a bit further.)

Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
lol but some people do think they are born gay!..

lets just see what our community has to say about themselves!!

you may be surprised!!

I think you're missing my point. Firstly, for what it's worth, I think that most gay people are, for want of a better term, 'born gay, whereas others are bisexual but lean so heavily on one side that, to all intents and purposes gay.

However, the point I was making was if people are born gay, just what is it you're asking? "Why were you born gay?" makes no sense at all unless you're talking about evolution or genetics or something that influences the actual birth.

Who said I bat for a team? lol, your missing the points that I have already pointed out, and if you don't give a rats ass then don't post because if you read the title it wasn't meant for you!! *simples

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Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
Who said I bat for a team? lol, your missing the points that I have already pointed out, and if you don't give a rats ass then don't post because if you read the title it wasn't meant for you!! *simples

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You asked for input..and WHO didn't read?
Opinions are what this site is built on..even the ones you don't accept.
No need to be insulting.

Originally posted by AccessDenied

Quite honestly, the movement of political correctness has openly made mountains out of too many molehills, and I'm quite tired of it.
I'd gladly go back to the ways of my youth where certain things were just not openly discussed because it really was nobody else's business but your own.

but we are not in that era now its the 20th century so why look back, people where even treated even worse!

the thread is about understanding and own experience not "i don't care" comments or it should be done this way!!

people are being unfairly treated all over the world and you say it should be hush hush!???

people should really get to grips with life and let the problems with being gay be a part of the past not hush hush, everyone has the right to be however they want and not singled out whatever their preference is

reply to post by jumpingbeanz

Hey, I added my comment when the post was on ATS, and I'm finding some difficulty since then to see what post/reply was meant for whom?
In our current constructs we are are governed by hetero-normativity. So unless people say or recognizably imply that they are not straight, the social assumption will be that they are talking from a hetero position.
Once again, there is little that specifically gay and lesbian people can do about that.

reply to post by jumpingbeanz

everyone has the right to be however they want and not singled out whatever their preference is

Flew over ya like a 747 huh?

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY ACCESSDENIED

Your choice is your choice, about sexual preference just like anything else in your life including what beliefs you have religiously or politically speaking.
Others are entitled to their opinion, but it should have ZERO to do with your choice.....whether they either feel the need to suppress it or have a damn proud parade about it.

Not to mention..I was speaking in general terms, and you are for whatever reason..personalizing.

Oh goodness this subject goes way deeper than you might know OP. it's all spiritual. it's a possesion but I won't get into that here seeing as the forum name.

All I'll say is this. It's wrong to people like me who listen to what god said and wanted. So this should be in the religious forum maybee?

That list is a mighty fine list of people and celebs. But who counts more, celebs or the creator of the entire universe who put our private parts together?

peace OP. see ya in the religious forum.


peace.

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Personally (getting somewhat more on topic) I don't think the OP's question is one that can actually be answered. Similar to why some people have irrational fears of harmless things, or why other people like certain foods. I don't believe its a choice that can honestly be rationalised or fully understood.

I don't really define myself as straight, bisexual, or gay. There are guys I find attractive and girls I find attractive. There's no difference in the feelings I experience while I'm with either sex - I fancy guys the same way I fancy girls.

I think its better not to define yourself to a label because you never know what you will want tomorrow. Today I'm very interested in a girl. Next month, I may be very interested in a guy. Not to mention that I find the entire idea of labelling ridiculous. Tell a person they're something enough times and no matter what they want to be, they'll believe they are whatever you've told them to be.

Originally posted by JackofBlades
Personally (getting somewhat more on topic) I don't think the OP's question is one that can actually be answered. Similar to why some people have irrational fears of harmless things, or why other people like certain foods. I don't believe its a choice that can honestly be rationalised or fully understood.

I don't really define myself as straight, bisexual, or gay. There are guys I find attractive and girls I find attractive. There's no difference in the feelings I experience while I'm with either sex - I fancy guys the same way I fancy girls.

I think its better not to define yourself to a label because you never know what you will want tomorrow. Today I'm very interested in a girl. Next month, I may be very interested in a guy. Not to mention that I find the entire idea of labelling ridiculous. Tell a person they're something enough times and no matter what they want to be, they'll believe they are whatever you've told them to be.

APPLAUSE

I don't care whether or not being gay is a choice or your just born with it. If people are gay they are gay, who cares? They should be allowed equal rights and gay marriage. If they want to suffer marriage their whole lives let them.

I am 100% straight, can't say I don't like bisexual chicks though.
Lesbians piss me off, they would never give it up to another man that's why they are lesbians. Bisexuals are the best because you could have a hot chick that's willing to 'walk the extra mile'. And straight chicks are cool too but they only want a man and won't experiment. And i'm not 'taking one for the team'.

How much you wanna bet that if you took a holy roller to a lesbian party they would quickly change their opinion about gays.

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