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Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
WMD's!? We didn't even find any in Iraq. I must have missed the news about Iraq sending all their WMD's to a christian militia. This whole story stinks. First its because they hate muslims, then because they have pipe bombs.....and now they have plotted to kill cops!? Come on...REALLY!?
Originally posted by ChrisF231
Can someone explain to me what is going on out in Michigan? The FBI and US Army are arresting militia members and the militia is preparing for battle? Why is this not on the news? I would think that if we had another Waco type incident it would be on the news by now.
Originally posted by endisnighe
Purpose of a sealed warrant.
What do you think? I think a sealed warrant is issued so that anything they find can be used against you.
Originally posted by Lostinthedarkness
This group may have been just bad apples .
The warrant for arrest was from a grand jury .
Grand jury warrants are harder to misuse than regular arrest or search warrants . You need a group of people to agree rather than just a judge and a law officer .
This may be on the up and up .
But the ever changing story really bothers me . Pipe bombs Islamic group or killing cops which is it .
And the call to other militia to hide a member could have simply been a ploy to allow for a search warrant served against a second group which could allow for all sorts of side items to be found and used for arrests .
I am not sure which way it is but I am going to watch very closely the militia and LEO s for a while
The US Code provides several different definitions of weapons of mass destruction, applicable in different contexts:
For the general purposes of national defense, US Code defines a weapon of mass destruction as:
"any weapon or device that is intended, or has the capability, to cause death or serious bodily injury to a significant number of people through the release, dissemination, or impact of—
toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors;
a disease organism; or
radiation or radioactivity."
For the purposes of the prevention of weapons proliferation, US Code defines weapons of mass destruction as:
"chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, and chemical, biological, and nuclear materials used in the manufacture of such weapons."
For the purposes of US Criminal law concerning terrorism, weapons of mass destruction are defined as:
"any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector ...; or
any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life."
The cited section 921 defines a destructive device as:
"any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces [113 grams], missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce [7 grams], mine, or device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses...."
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's definition is similar to that presented above from the terrorism statute:
"Any explosive or incendiary device, as defined in Title 18 USC, Section 921: bomb, grenade, rocket, missile, mine, or other device with a charge of more than four ounces;
Any weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors;
Any weapon involving a disease organism; or
Any weapon designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life."
Originally posted by melatonin
Nice. I guess at least we now have an answer to the question 'who would jesus kill?' - cops!
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by melatonin
Wow. Thanks for sharing. Looks like Saddam really DID have WMD's.
I figured WMD's were limited to weaponry that could take out entire villages or something.
WASHINGTON — Nine members of a Michigan-based Christian militia group have been indicted on sedition and weapons charges in connection with an alleged plot to murder law enforcement officers in hopes of setting off an anti-government uprising.
In court filings unsealed Monday, the Justice Department accused the nine people of planning to kill an unidentified law enforcement officer, then plant improvised explosive devices of a type used by insurgents in Iraq to attack the funeral procession.
Eight of the defendants were arrested over the weekend in raids in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana. A ninth remained at large, the Justice Department said. The indictments against them were returned last Tuesday. The defendants were identified as members of Hutaree, described by federal prosecutors as an anti-government extremist organization based in Lenawee County, Michigan, and which advocates violence against local, state and federal law enforcement. The group saw local and state police as “foot soldiers” for the federal government, which it viewed as its enemy, along with participants in what they deemed to be a “New World Order,” according to the indictment.
The indictment charged that between August 2008 and the present, the defendants — led by David Brian Stone, 45, who also used the name “Captain Hutaree” — developed a conspiracy that they hoped would result in a war against the United States government. They allegedly decided they would kill a local law enforcement officer, and then bomb the funeral caravan. The killings “would intimidate and demoralize law enforcement diminishing their ranks and rendering them ineffective,” it said.
Afterward, the indictment said, Hutaree members would retreat to several “rally points” and wage war against the government, using prepared fighting positions as well as “trip-wired and command-detonated” bombs.
“It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more wide-spread uprising against the government,” the indictment said.
Mr. Stone used the Internet to obtain diagrams of “explosively formed projectiles,” a particularly lethal form of roadside bombs responsible for many deaths of United States soldiers in Iraq, the indictment says.
All nine people face the charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, and carrying a firearm during a crime of violence. In addition, Mr. Stone and one of his sons, David Brian Stone Jr., has been charged with teaching the use of explosive materials.
Originally posted by antonia
Fox brings out the crazy argument. Apparently these guys were getting ready for the Antichrist.