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Massive Federal Raid in Lenawee County

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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 06:09 AM
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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Ahabstar
 

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[edit on 29-3-2010 by romanmel]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
The thing that should be looked at is the Indiana Militia went to an Orange Alert and may have had 100 men on standby to engage.

Despite online back and forth between two good writers and members (entertaining as always guys), that is little factoid is as real as it can get before boiling over.

There is quite a number of people in Ohio, Indiana and Michigan that are decedents of Appalachia only 2-3 generations removed. Had those 100 men engaged in a protracted firefight, it might have become a very different story.

That is the concern here.


like i said in a previous post (standby)

as some militia do not know what the heck is going on and they see 3 states attacking a militia and not having the full detail
pipe bombs >? threats against Islamic Groups ? well that is not quite an American militia is it ! more like a Hate Group as Neo Nazi KKK like if they are like Hate Group Then they are NOT a Milita Group just giving a Milita a bad Name but still this might cause a domino effect with the government Elite FBI CIA NSA TTF and UN ! make a False Flag could it would it >? Gun Laws How Much Arsenal can a Individual have but its ok
for a Mercenary Group like ( BlackWater ) to carry an Arsenal of Small country would have ! the Government own personal Zombie Squad en.wikipedia.org... paranoia False Flag

black water en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

the book
en.wikipedia.org...:_The_Rise_of_the_World%27s_Most_Powerful_Mercenary_Army

but if the government would have the XE(blackwater) raid a True Freedom Fighting Group Milita that has not caused any threat or harm

i would say! a National Chain reaction would happen !
and True dedication for the American People Militia groups would agree with me on that

Alex Jones saw this way back in the mid 90s before look around you have you seen more checkpoints lately ? have you seen more Police/ Border patrol More than ever in the last 3 years i can see it where im from

raiding i can see the standby



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by UnlawfullPriest
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Patriot act allows for Terror task forces, permanently chartered of temporary to hold open warrants for swift use. The moment the word "Terrorist" is thrown in the rules disappear.



Oh I see, thanks for the info. The Patriot Act is the best thing that has ever happened to law enforcement. It seems that calling people "terrorists" is so much easier then having to actually try and get a warrant, especially if you don't have dick on the suspects. Why put in the work when all you have to do is call someone or a group terrorists, then just kick in the door and see if you can find anything then? Disgusting



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Oh yes. Because that is the only source of information that is going to tell us the truth. Sure is...

And here I thought the idea was to "deny ignorance"?


You don't seem to ever be denying ignorance, so don't try to use that motto as an argument....


Janet Napolitano, and the DHS labeled most Americans as "possible terrorists", and now they seem to be going at least after some groups of such Americans.

This sort of reminds me of the saying "first they came for the Jews, then the Capitalists, and when they came for me there was no one to help me" There are many versions of the saying, but their meaning is true.



[edit on 29-3-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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Actually, I have a different take on this.

Let us look at this constitutionally for a moment.

We are all familiar with the 2nd Amendment. (please, don't start beating your chests and quoting Charleston Heston and Thomas Jefferson.)

But I am talking about the main body of the constitution.

Article I Section 8


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


Let us focus for a moment on the first sentence of the second paragraph for a moment.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia,

So, if we look at this through a constitutional standpoint, perhaps a militia who is armed and organized for the expressed purpose of fighting the anti-Christ, may require discipline.

Most of us could probably agree that that is a pretty nutty reason to have a militia.

Another thought I have is, ok, most of us agree that Militias are completely constitutional and quite important to keeping a free state.

But look at that paragraph again, where are the Officers of the Militia? These officers are to be appointed by the States. So, to make Militias more in line with the constitution, doesn't it make sense that they should have an appointed by the State, Officer, to oversee these Militias?



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:35 AM
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Good point, let me further it.

We (ATS, MSM, politicians) really need to return to using an older term besides "militia" to describe every single group: paramilitary organization.

It doesn't completely make things perfectly clear as even the Ohio Highway Patrol considers itself a paramilitary org. and the SCA has that distinction too.

But it would go a long way to determining the parameters of the group.


As for militias shrinking and running, this was not a good litmus test for making such a opinion. It is my opinion that a true militia will order itself to engage (or fully activate) unless things are very clear that they need to do so. It should also be noted that militias consider themselves as "at will" fighting forces, much like what Lawrence of Arabia had fighting alongside him. Troops that will depart once they feel like it.

Most of us are the same when it comes to lending a hand in a situation, like cleaning storm debris or filling sandbags in anticipation of a flood.

In this case, the limited scope raid for the reasons stated would have been enough for the wary to back off and let the feds do their job. Rounding up leaders and lieutenants of multiple groups in a "militia busting" venture might have caused the response you were looking for to happen.

For those thinking that the internet is their backbone for communication, hardly. They could make coded phone calls that are as innocent as "How's your grandmother? (an old masonic code phrase) while talking about how their NCAA brackets are doing for the next 5 minutes.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:48 AM
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Note...

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States...


Key..."governing such part.."

This has to do with what has become the National Guard. This does not imply restrictions or otherwise on citizen militias. Certainly those that are not under the employment of the Fed or State, that do not receive arms from the government or are organized under any government.

The people unattached still maintain the right to keep and bear arms as well as assembel. It is unconstitutional for any governement to restrict the peoples right to do so outside of being "employed". Being "employed" in governement is not a requisite for keeping or bearing not to mention obtaining arms.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:56 AM
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Let me expound on my point a little further. I believe that militias in the classical sense of the word are an important part of a free society.

But what I want to see is legitimacy for these militias. Remember, the constitution completely condones militia corps. But, I disagree with police forces being called militias. For the constitution does not specifically state that militias are an arm of the executive branch. (Which police really are.) But specifically has Congress as the executing body for these groups.

If militias are to truly become a legitimate constitutionally regulated body and earn themselves the rights protected under the 2nd Amendment, they must be legitimate.

I do agree with you the philosophy of the minutemen idea of militias. A government regulated body of volunteers who are governed by the state and regulated by congress.

Without real legitimacy Militias cannot survive, because without real legitimacy, militias are nothing more than less violent (and less armed) street gangs. The example in the OP is reason enough for militia groups to want to be legitimate.

This is why I believe that Militias need to have Officers appointed by the state. This I believe should be a state choice how they chose Officers for the militia, perhaps by a popular vote, with candidates in the militia, voted on by members of the militia and appointed by State government.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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If that is true, (which it's not, because the national guard falls under the DOD which makes them a part of the Army.) then militias are nothing more than less well armed street gangs.

Legitimacy is the key for the continuing survival of state militias.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Ahabstar
 


Let me expound on my point a little further. I believe that militias in the classical sense of the word are an important part of a free society....

If militias are to truly become a legitimate constitutionally regulated body and earn themselves the rights protected under the 2nd Amendment, they must be legitimate.


Without real legitimacy Militias cannot survive, because without real legitimacy, militias are nothing more than less violent (and less armed) street gangs.


Legitimacy would be fundementaly unconstitutional. The State can no nore legitimize this than they can religion, political organizations ect.

"street gangs"...wow..should the governement regulate the Blood and Crips then? But anyway thanks so much for your confidence in the american public at large.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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www.foxnews.com...

Fox brings out the crazy argument. Apparently these guys were getting ready for the Antichrist.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Logarock
 


If that is true, (which it's not, because the national guard falls under the DOD which makes them a part of the Army.) then militias are nothing more than less well armed street gangs.

Legitimacy is the key for the continuing survival of state militias.


Read carefully what you just wrote. The section here in question is for putting an organized body under the DOD. That is what the section is for. That is what it has become, the National Guard.

But incase you are trying to smoke this issue up I wouldnt advise it becouse there are some smart folks in here that will see right past it.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by kennylee

The Michigan Militia is stating that no raids have been performed on them yet, on their front page.

www.michiganmilitia.com...


Then these raids are against citizens as at Waco?

The American people are not advocating violence against any congressmen or senators besides the threat to remove them from office. But the government has been trying to put together a "homegrown" militia threat since Waco. This is part of their ruse to justify killing American families, women and children, with pretended legality. The truth is our government has been taken over by Nazis and their agenda is depopulation. The Nazis were only the minions of the royals who wanted to restore feudalism and class structure.
The CFR was their tool to undercut the US to bolster the UK. The CRF was a roundtable for the Fabian Socialists who want depopulation. The royals want depopulation. They think they will regain control if there are fewer of us. The American people should not be so stupid to ignore such a threat. This is the Nazis and this is real.

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posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by antonia
www.foxnews.com...

Fox brings out the crazy argument. Apparently these guys were getting ready for the Antichrist.


There are a lot of folks out there gettin ready for the AntiChrist just not getting armed over it. But make no mistake here they love these people for no other reason than the believe the Antichrist is coming and they can make asses out of them.

Why just yeasterday the History Channel devoted some time to the antichrist.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:18 AM
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I believe that militias are a constitutionally legal entity, but read what the constitution says about militias.

Legitimacy is what is needed for Militias.

You are correct about the national guard, but in reality they are a DOD entity, and therefore do not fall under the clause of Militias. Militias are to be non enlisted people that if the united states were to be invaded can be called up by congress to act.

If they refuse to be legitimate, then they are nothing more than violent street gangs.


[edit on 3/29/2010 by whatukno]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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targeting police officers.

that's what FOX just said,

BUt,

Information last night said they were targeting Islamic groups.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
targeting police officers.

that's what FOX just said,

BUt,

Information last night said they were targeting Islamic groups.


MSNBC just said that threats against police prompted the raids. They did not really say too much else about the catalyst.



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by antonia
www.foxnews.com...

Fox brings out the crazy argument. Apparently these guys were getting ready for the Antichrist.

Whether or not they are getting ready for the anti-christ, or Obama, or whoever,does not make them violent. Does not make them a "legal" target for the illegal govt to go after. The fema camps are real. Under cover of a small rounding up of "militants" there will be a major rounding up of Americans and American children. The fema camps are death camps not some labor barracks. You want to give the Nazis, google Nazis in corporate American, the benefit of the doubt it is at the expense of our families and children.

[edit on 29-3-2010 by m khan]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
targeting police officers.

that's what FOX just said,

BUt,

Information last night said they were targeting Islamic groups.


MSNBC just said that threats against police prompted the raids. They did not really say too much else about the catalyst.


Here is some info ,

Christian Militia Raid: Were the Hutaree Targeted for Threats Against Muslims?

abcnews.go.com...
Here is info from last night also,



Dawud Walid, head of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he was told that the Christian militia group may have been plotting against American Muslims.

"We salute the FBI for breaking up a militia that was seeking to harm American Muslims," Walid said.

www.freep.com...
Walid said he publicly announced the FBI raids at his group's 10th annual banquet today in Dearborn, which featured the Rev. Jesse Jackson as the keynote speaker.


So which is it ?
law enforcement, or Muslims?

[edit on 093131p://bMonday2010 by Stormdancer777]

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