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Special relationship between UK and US is over, MPs say

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Ha ha.
"Canada and America are like two brothers...."

I think not my friend.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To repeat what I posted in the other thread on this subject;
Give me The USA anytime over Europe, we Brits feel little allegiance / friendship to the vast majority of our continental neighbours.

However, our true admiration and friendship is for our loyal and steadfast friends of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
They have our eternal respect and gratitude.




posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Xeven
 


Ha ha.
"Canada and America are like two brothers...."

I think not my friend.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To repeat what I posted in the other thread on this subject;
Give me The USA anytime over Europe, we Brits feel little allegiance / friendship to the vast majority of our continental neighbours.

However, our true admiration and friendship is for our loyal and steadfast friends of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
They have our eternal respect and gratitude.


Likewise


While I'm not a monarchist in any way, shape or form, Australia and Great Britain have a naturally close bond that I for one would not like to see disappear, ever...

My forebears were proud to help Britain during WW2 knowing full well that if and when we needed it, Britain would stand by Australia in every way it could...Be that during war or during peace...

An example of which was the Victorian Bushfires of 2009...Yes the support from many nations was incredible, but the support and solidarity expressed by the British people during this time is something I for one will not forget soon



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Well I for one don't see anything wrong with the UK acting more in their interests instead of it being perceived [wrongly] as a simple "YES MAN" to the US. I've never considered the UK to be that or any less than who they really are.

A great nation.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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Well we must not forget that since before the 1960s we have had strong cultural ties via music film and Telelvision. I must say the US made a has of a few of outr TV programes but hey we Brits have probably returned the complement.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Well, as the other thread got closed down. Here's a reprise of what I said there:

There's never been a 'special relationship'. What there has been is a series of clauses and 'obligations' built into various war debts that's given the appearance of a 'relationship'.

I'd really like to someone to post something tangible as to what the UK have actually got out of this 'special relationship'. All I see is one way trade - take a look at any high street in a decent sized town or city and see how many American names you can see - and sock puppetry for a Cold War and idiotic wars in the Middle East.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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I think that you are living on a different planet, Zosynspiracy. There are a number of countries who are so dysfunctional that state corruption is impossible to gauge. The US is not a corrupt nation, nor is the UK.

To topic. The "special relationship" will persist through the close historic links especially cultural, economic and in specialist areas such as intelligence. I think that in the last year or so the UK has begun to appreciate that much of the "relationship" has been one way and is never reciprocated and often US arrogance demeans efforts and attempts. Indeed, the Obama Administration treated the British PM shoddily (e.g. the gift of the DVDs) and a US official close to Obama is reported to have said...

There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.

Personally, I think the UK should use its global influence more selectively – and the UK does have significant influence and status on the world stage through institutions such as the Commonwealth and the EU. I would like to see the US proactively seeking the UK support on issues, rather than that support being considered given by default.

The US is its own worst enemy and they do have a tendency to pursue their own self interest rather than the interest of themselves and their allies. Nothing wrong with that, except the UK has too often supported the US without conditions, while the US extract their pound of flesh everytime the UK want something.

Regards



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
However, our true admiration and friendship is for our loyal and steadfast friends of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
They have our eternal respect and gratitude.


I'm hardly a Europhile but even so I don't agree with the rest of your post. However, I can't agree more with the above.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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All this means is they want to get back to bizz as usual. No more sloppy wet kisses in public. Out of sight its still an x-rated affair.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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so we are not going to be dragged down because of american expenses thank the lord!....



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
so we are not going to be dragged down because of american expenses thank the lord!....


I don't think that's true unfortunately... UK/US politics may have taken a hit but not the UK/US businessmen...

Magnum



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Actually I think this sentiment is echoed with a few others that partnered with the US like Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, Germany , United Kingdom, Korea, France, Taiwan, Brazil to mention a few partners, not to mention the taxpayers, the powers that are running the country have been screwing everyone.

the citizens are feeling pimpoed and the countries who chose to get in bed with the politians promisses all have felt sold out.

Time is coming for them to pay the piper it seems. Because I think sooner than latter they will soon find themselves standing alone, especially since they can't afford to buy there friendships anymore, you can't continue to print money and pretends its worth something!

just my observation is all.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Dock9
The Brits people are waking up. And they'd better do it even faster, before Zionist Merkel gains more strength and totally destroys them


Haha! "Zinonist Merkel" destroying the Brits? That really sounds very funny. She is not Margaret Thatcher though.

The British looked a little like uncle Sam's pet during the last centuries. If they try to correct this picture a little bit - and be it only with words - this surely would be a relief.

Still Europe and the USA always will have a special relationship. Maybe the British learn to critizise their cousins in the USA as Germany and especially France did in the past without fearing, that the US could change the name of British Petroleum into Freedom Petroleum. (Coincidence, that "petroleum" starts with "pet" and "role".)

"Zionist Merkel"...
And a gay foreign minister... Imagine what happens, if he gains more strength!



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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This is it. This is the beginning. This is the beginning of the end of the US government's influence on the world. I can see it coming, first the UK, then the EU, and maybe even Canada (yeah right)...


Hmmm. Think you got the backwards.


The committee said although Britain and the US still had close ties, the UK's influence had "diminished" as its economic and military power had waned.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Britain was there at the start, but pulled out completely.

We're still out there! It isn't over for us yet.

The "special relationship" is not the relationship most people think it is. It is actually one of intelligence sharing that started one second after Pearl Harbor.

As part of the deal, the UK get to sit around the planning table when the US plan to do something, and get to influence the direction of any US actions. All the other allies of the US get to find out afterwards what is going on.

When Tony Blair recently stated he did not know what Bush was planning on doing, you can bet that is a lie.

As a result of following the US into war however, the UKs standing in the world dropped off a cliff. We are no longer respected like we once were.

[edit on 28-3-2010 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit

Britain was there at the start, but pulled out completely.

We're still out there! It isn't over for us yet.

The "special relationship" is not the relationship most people think it is. It is actually one of intelligence sharing that started one second after Pearl Harbor.


After Pearl Harbour? Shurely shome mishtake offisher?


As part of the deal, the UK get to sit around the planning table when the US plan to do something, and get to influence the direction of any US actions. All the other allies of the US get to find out afterwards what is going on.


All the UK were there for is to share the blame, the animosity from the rest of the world and the body bags that soldiers go home in.



When Tony Blair recently stated he did not know what Bush was planning on doing, you can bet that is a lie.


If Tony Blair opens his mouth you can bet that it is a lie.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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does this mean US can still extradite ppl from UK but not vice versa?

If they still can do that the "special relationship" still exists.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by igor_ats
does this mean US can still extradite ppl from UK but not vice versa?

If they still can do that the "special relationship" still exists.

You bet!
Look into the case of Gary McKinnon.

Second line.


If Tony Blair opens his mouth you can bet that it is a lie.



[edit on 28-3-2010 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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What True Friendship Is All About

Equitable relationships are always stronger than one-sided relationships.

The U.S. needs friends and allies, not lap dogs.

One of the most sensible statements I've ever seen come out of Parliament.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that a lot of wealth left the UK and went to the USA during the 18/1900s.

The USA and the UK: both owned by the same toffs.

It went downhill after the USA stopped driniking tea,



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by rizla
It went downhill after the USA stopped driniking tea,

There it is: Coffee Killed The Commonwealth.



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