Could Christ be Here Already

Hi
I am very new only directed to this site a few hours ago. I have suffered with depression for years and can now confirm I am addicted to chemical anti depressants and nicotine. Which I need out of my body asap.
Since Thursday 25th March I have been experiencing things that have blown my mind. It started with a ufo sighting on that night about 9m. I saw this with my son Sam. He was stepping out of the door to return to his dads , which is just few hundreds yards away from where I live and from the cliff tops in Bocombe, Bournemouth. Sam and his Mum, my partner, are always looking skyward and have seen loads of shooting stars. I look up and only see them twinkling.
On Thurs night i saw a formation of lights very clearly spread some distance apart. The thin clouds were moving really fast so looking up was weird. Now I had not got my glasses on but my near sight is far worse than distance so I believe what I saw. I could see the lights as clear as day but not a single star!
The lights were initially unmoving but a few moved away very quickly without sound or blinking.
Ok there has been many sightings of UFO,s but I had never seen one so I think I was looking at several at once.
I have been agnostic for as long as I can remember, but for some reason while I was at police training college over 22 years ago I memorised a prayer from from a gideons in my room. "Lead me lord in the path of your choosing and give me patience to follow in that pathway" and have repeated many, many times in my head during dark times.
To cut a long story short I have freeked. There is adrenaline surging around my body driving me to stop something or help in some way.
I have found god - but why now?
Sam doodled on my notice board but does not remember doing it or what it means. I found the doodles on Fri morning which is when I went nuts. I had this overwhelming feeling that Sam is someone very special.
Please will someone put my mind at rest and let me know if these doodles mean anything - m-=m2x4x There is a bit of scribble before this which is unclear.
Am I mad?



Edited 'All Caps' in title.

[edit on 27/3/10 by masqua]

[edit on 27/3/2010 by Sauron]

The bible says that when Jesus comes a second time, it will be in the same manner as his departure, ie. in the clouds, and with angels to herald his return.

He will not be born as a regular human and live a normal life like he did the first time. He only did that then as part of his sacrifice. The sacrifice is over, it's been done. When he returns it will be as King.

If you ask a pastor or priest, they will tell you the same thing. There will be NO mistaking the second coming when it happens. He will descend from the heavens for all the world to see.

Etc.

reply to post by Sandra and Gail


Welcome to ATS! You will find some incredible things here and need to be careful what you take too seriously as you wade through it. Have fun with it.

Now, as to your question. It sounds like you are at a bit of a crossroads in your life. First, I would just like to caution you about going 'cold turkey' with your anti-depressants. If you feel you are at a point that you don't need them, than speak with your doctor about a plan to slowly come off of them, and be monitored closely for any side affects. These are strong, potent drugs and there can be adverse reactions if you have been taking them for some time. Stopping them all on your own could be devastating for you. Just please be cautious.

Now...to your sighitngs. I experienced a very simialar experience many, many years ago as a young teen. My whole family saw it while on our way home from a long drive. It was just outside Yakima Washingont, in the desert. My dad actually pulled the car over and we all got out to watch. A trooper stopped to check on us, and he saw it too. Now, there are some army bases near there, but if it was a craft from there, it was like nothing ever shown to the public. This was about 20 years ago. There were several small lights moving in unisen and then one at a time they would 'flash' and be across the sky in an instant. Then the others would follow. Finally they all disappeared in one bigger flash. It was amazing and I will never forget it. Beyond that, it didn't really have any meaning. If this has compelled you to find God, than I think that is great. I was already a christain but really didn't feel any religous connection to it, other than to wonder at the amazing world we live in.

Based on the title of your thread, I am a little worried that you may be feeling that your son could possibly by Christ? It sounds like he wrote out some sort of math equation. I am not a mathematician so I couldn't tell you if it really IS an equation or just random numbers/letters.

I realize you must be feeling some very strong emotions and seem to be seeing some things that in your mind are coming together to indicate somthing 'big'.

I think you need to take a step back and rather than try and link everything together, break it all down individualy. The sighting you had is actually a very common one in the UFO sighting world. It's exciting you saw it. The message on the board is probably what you said it was in your post....doodling.

It sounds like you are having some very strong emotions and even hint that you may think you aren't controlling them. Perhaps you should talk with your partner and get their perspective. Also, please keep in mind that I am in no way trying to discount your experiences, but it is very, very possible that stopping ant-depressent meds can cause these kinds of extreme feelings and thoughts. Here on ATS we really can't be good judges of what is going on. It sounds like you need to reach to those near to you and get them involved.

Place your hands upon your chest and feel.

Christ is within our hearts, he has returned.

Well, you're not the first person to have a sudden and very powerful religious experience. Coming at this as a person who is still currently an agnostic (when I was younger I was more of a believer), I think the fact that you are currently apparently detoxing from various meds you have been on for a long time can easily have heightened whatever you are experiencing. I'm not given to believing in religious experiences - my deepest, most profound such moments have all come while experiencing great art (reading Moby Dick, looking at several of Rodin's sculptures in person, for instance).

Not be belittle those with deep religious beliefs, or what you experienced, but there are studies and theories about how such feelings are triggered in the brain, and scientists have triggered the same sort of feelings of "oneness" with the universe via chemicals, that many associate with religious experiences. Hallucinogens, like '___' can invoke such feelings because they can temporarily suppress function in the part of the brain that governs a person's sense of being an individual. It's the part that says, "this is me, and that is a chair" or a tree or a cloud or another person. With that part of the brain not switched on, a person can feel as if they and the earth, and the television remote and their pet rabbit are all one and the same thing.

The UFO sighting you described sounds interesting and not so bizarre as to make me think maybe you simply imagined it or hallucinated it. It could be that you perceived something as more miraculous than it really was, again due to your current detoxing from anti-depressants. I've seen a few strange lights in the sky in my time, but none of them were ever so strange or incomprehensible as to make me think it had to be either supernatural or from literally "out of this world." Then again, I've seen a few pictures and videos that still make me wonder. When it comes to UFO's, I think there is "something" going on, I just don't know what that something is. A lot is probably top secret government testing, but who can really say.

Is Christ already Here? I doubt it. In my honest opinion, Christ doesn't exist, nor does God. So, I can't see how "Christ" could be here.

Any rational, intelligent and articulated Human Being could not believe in such things unless they were brainwashed like billions of other people into believing that there is a God who had a Son.

Each to their own I guess.

Welcome to ATS and as you can see, already, there are people who agree and disagree on the Subject of religion.

As a matter of interest. What, in your post, had anything to do with Christ? I hope you weren't implying it's your Son?

Seeya.

[edit on 27-3-2010 by Damian-007]

is Christ here already???

God I hope not !!!
cuz if he is here and he hasn't helped
his children against the suffering
they are enduring, then he doesn't
have any compassion

reply to post by RedBird


I am fairly sure there is scripture that says the opposite...that when Jesus comes people will not recognize him, and actually fight him (including Christians).

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
I am fairly sure there is scripture that says the opposite...that when Jesus comes people will not recognize him, and actually fight him (including Christians).

the bible says that about the anti-christ also
just as a side note

reply to post by Sandra and Gail


I'm trying to connect the title of your thread to anything in the story. Is the idea that Sam is Christ?

You have the feeling that he special because he is someone you care about. The UFOs were unexplained lights in the sky, happens all the time. If Sam didn't remember making the doodles how do you know he did it? Could any of you be sleep walking? If it doesn't have meaning to any of you, then it's not significant. People sometimes just doodle harmless doodles.

Do you really want to know if you're mad?

You're coming to a website which, as you said, you have no familiariy with because you were just directed here a few hours ago, yet this new unfamiliar place full of people you don't know or trust is where you came to have your sanity assessed? I think that if you're genuinely concerned for your mental health and this where you turned, your concerns are justified.

Your thread has little to no logical progression, and lacks a clear, coherent narrative. It's hard to follow. This is an indication of formal thought disorder, which is associated with disorganized thinking and is considered a symptom of psychosis.

Another symptom of psychosis is delusions of grandeur. If you think your son is Christ, that would be an example of a delusion of grandeur. Believing yourself to be the mother(although in your story, like the bible, not the biological mother) of christ would put you in a position of cosmic importance that is completely incongruent with reality.

It's interesting that you think the doodles on the fridge are important. How does it tie into the rest of the story? Well, it could be that you wrote it during an episode that you are unable to remember. Blacking out for periods of activity without taking drugs of abuse is the sign of problem, could be a psychotic episode. It also could be that the doodles on the fridge are actually clearly written words, because inability to make sense of written language is also a symptom of mental illness. Although you seem to have been able to type your story, so it could have been a limited episode. What do you see if you go back and look at the board now?

You must have also included the prayer and the UFO's and the addictions for a reason. Why are those things important to this story? Do you see how there is no clear connection between any of the events you described? What about your title, "Could Christ be Here Already?"

You also said,

Since Thursday 25th March I have been experiencing things that have blown my mind.

...

To cut a long story short I have freeked.

Things(plular) that have blown your mind. I get the UFO thing, that's understandable, but what else? The doodles can't have blown your mind, can they? Why do you say that you have suddenly "found god?" It sounds like you have a lot of energy all of a sudden but you don't know where to direct it.

Well, those are my observations. I would say that the chance that you are mad is high enough to justify a trip to the doc's office. Get an evaluation. Unfortunately though, we get these stories every now and then and rarely ever hear from the person again. Whatever ends up happening you ought to keep us posted by updating this thread.

Talk to a professional, in real life.

Regards,
OR

reply to post by boondock-saint


That makes sense though. If evil is good and good is evil. Who would know what the truth was? All I know is if Christ does appear and our governments claim Christ is the devil, I might be thinking the opposite.

reply to post by Sandra and Gail

Hello,
Welcome to ATS! I haven't been around very long myself, but I sure have been enjoying the site. I'm no psychiatrist, but did have occasion to visit one for a short period a number of years back. I figured that if my tooth ached, I'd visit a dentist, or if my knee/s were bothering me I'd see an orthopaedic surgeon, and it only made sense that since my problem was in the mind, to go talk to psychiatrist. Perhaps you could do with a bit of counceling yourself, though since you are taking antidepressants, perhaps you have already. I take them myself, but the doc had to prescribe four different types, before we found one that helped me. Taking the wrong ones can sure screw with your mind as I found out the hard way, but please NEVER quit taking your meds suddenly, but let your doctor wean you off them.
I too have had some interesting U.F.O. sightings, so I think you'll enjoy the section on U.F.O's and Aiens. Blessings friend, and good luck!

I think your son is special, I think all children are special. Perhaps he does have an intuition towards something- You won't know until he is older if he displays any more psychic ability- such as trance mediumship- which might be what is happening when it is unconcious automatic writing.

But does that make him Jesus? Naw. Jesus was no mathematician, he was carpenter and if we were speaking of reincarnation I'd be more inclined to ask about math or science people-but it doesn't necessarily need to be anyone famous.

This one thing also would not make him Jesus-or at least I don't think you'd think so after taking note of the experiences other people go through- For example- I heal people with energy, saw angels and heard God speak to me when I was a child, and have met aliens etc..but I'm not anyone important-Just God's worker. I'm also not mad
It's good to believe your son is important-b.c we all need the encouragement to do great things in life..but I wouldnt go too far with it- as God and Jesus and the Gurus of faith hold a mighty position that I wouldn't want to falsely label someone.-taking away their own identity.

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The Bible says that when Christ returns, the entire world will see His return, and Him - across the globe. And if we thought Star Wars was full of lights and firecrackers.............

But no, He hasn't returned yet - unless I've been in a coma and missed it.

We still have the antichrist to go through, plus probably America collapsing, and a few more bad guys popping in the picture - before His return. As well, the antichrist, sayeth the Bible, will appear and convince a gabillionzillion people that he is Christ - but he is lying, and only here to try to deceive us. He will rule for a while, due to so many people thinking he is Christ - and he will let Israel sign into a seven year peace treaty with other countries, making Israel believe that he is trying to protect them - but then 3.5 years into the seven year tribulation, his true colors show through, people realize who he is - and Armageddon starts.

By that time, you will want to have strapped on a sturdy crash helmet and headed to the hills. When we see the Abomination of Desolation happen in the rebuilt Jewish Temple, the Bible says for His followers to head for the mountains, and not go back to our homes for anything, just go. And then, Jesus returns and it'll all be over but the shouting.

My advice would be to get you a copy of the Bible - I would suggest the King James Bible - not the "New" King James, but the original - and start reading. Genesis is a bit tough to get through as this is mostly the family trees of the Biblical day folks but it's a good read.

reply to post by Bkrmn


No, No, NO.... You have it all wrong..

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I hope I didn't offend anyone. If I did, I'm sorry..

Originally posted by boondock-saint
is Christ here already???

God I hope not !!!
cuz if he is here and he hasn't helped
his children against the suffering
they are enduring, then he doesn't
have any compassion

I think you may be mistaken. There is beauty is the struggle and he would lack compassion if he removed that struggle as it gives purpose. Not making an argument on whether Christ is here now or has ever been. Just pointing out a flaw in that line of thinking.

- PM

Yeah, I'm here. I've been here since 1982. I tried to save you guys but you are so fixated on those Goddamn television and computer screens. Maybe in my next incarnation you will be ready.

Well friend, I am glad you have found God and this newfound energy. I do hope you will do something positive with it. I'm not going to play around with you though. So for just a minute I'm going to be very upfront about something, just because I've witnessed firsthand the outcome of a friend who "woke up" and realized he "didn't need his pills anymore", and then we can go back to being "pleasant". He was extatic that he had a new and special relationship with God, only if that's what it really was, he must not have been prepared for it. He is now known for fits of rage and sudden violent outbursts against random people for seemingly no reason...not sayin that's you, but just keep these things in mind and get back to me if you notice you feel anything like that. I've tried my best to understand what my friend is goin thru and I don't judge him too badly as I know it's not his fault. Well luckily that friend is currently locked up in jail right now for criminal tresspass, instead of something worse, or something worse than jail... So. When you say you "need these things out of your body asap", you need to be very careful as far as the anti-depressants. You should be able to be honest with your doctor and tell him you don't want to be on them. Because getting these chemicals out of your body "ASAP" is dangerous. You need to gradually be taken off of it. FOR THE SAFETY OF YOURSELF AND YOUR PARTNER AND YOUR SON!

Ok, now it seems to me that (I'm not going to get into it too much because 1)I'm not an expert. 2)I don't fully believe in all of this stuff that is related to astrology/numerology) you may be experiencing something that may be a combination of things related to astrology/numerology. If you've seen the movie "the number 23" with jim carey, you might know a little. For example, my "hypothetical" birthday is 01/30/1981 seperate it into single digits and add them and you have 0+1+3+0+1+9+8+1=23 this is supposedly very meaningful. To complete it you take 23 and seperate it and add it 2+3=5 you'll have to look it up but if you are also a 5 it could mean that your life will lead to a very positive or very negative outcome. Us 5's, who are right in the middle of the spectrum from 1 to 9, never get anything in the middle out of life. It's always real good, or real bad. Never no in-between... Anyway, what I was going to say, is that even if you don't believe in the numerology or anything else like that, I still think you would have a hard time denying that you are at a point where things could turn in either direction. But fyi, I believe in God and I also believe there could be SOMETHING to SOME aspects of astrology and numerology. So you can believe in both if you open your mind. After all, it could be something God planted into reality for us to have fun with trying to figure it out... I'm just sayin, until we KNOW, anything's possible. Part of knowing God is knowing that anything is possible. Keep an open mind! As far as the doodling I haven't seen anyone take a serious stab. I for one would like a better explanation. Are those minus symbols that are before and after the first m? It looks like an equation. Check out handwriting and ask your partner if anyone else did it like a guest. But other than an equation, it reminds me of roman numerals, which use both the letters M and X as numbers. I know X means 10. As far as M, I'm not sure. But who know, with the combination of that appearing and the ufo's and feeling like you found God, this could be a very important message. I just need an explanation unless this is a correct description of the message:

A total of 9 characters, with a doodle before it. Theres a minus sign before an "m" then a space & another minus sign, then an equals sign, then "m2x4x" is that correct? (Your best attempt at an explanation of the doodle would be helpful. for example, did it look like someone trying to get the ink flow started or an actual symbol or drawing with meaning?)