Police Recruit Internet Cafe Owners To Spy On Users

Police Recruit Internet Cafe Owners To Spy On Users

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As part of the lurching advance towards the kind of society that we thought had been consigned to the darkest days of the 20th century, the Nazi-fication of Britain continues with the news that the police are working with Internet cafe owners to spy on users who visit “extremist websites”.

“The intitative is part of the Prevent strand of the government’s counter-terrorism strategy, which aims to stop radicalisation by winning the “battle of ideas”. Café owners are asked to use their own judgement as to what amounts to extremist material,” reports the Register.

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The Gov't is no longer serving the people. They do not trust us any longer. They then spy on us. This is a travesty. That the world has sunk this far back in time. back to the olden days when it was common to be spied on. This is the 21st century. We would not have to look over our shoulder and live in fear. Think to your self friends. Is this right? Should we live like this? and most importantly ask your self has this happened before??

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reply to post by Vinveezy


What the police are asking is if the owners see people accessing extremist sites (such as terrorism related forums, training guides etc) then to report them, as those that are interested in causing havoc use the internet cafe's because of the anonimity it affords them. The guys who are interested in such material don't do it from home because they're IP would be traced back to them.

It's not asking them to report normal behavious at all or even record it, but then I doubt Prison Planet or the uber-paranoid Alex "I must shout all the time" Jones would understand that.

Besides, who actually uses internet cafe's? I'm surprised they still exist and the only ones I see in my town are always full of immigrants and guys with big beards...

If the police/MI5/MI6 were any good at the job they'd know who the threats are without having to ask a Internet-Cafe owner for a "heads-up." Especially given the Encryption Decoders they have down at their HQs.

But then again "everyone's a terrorist" anyway, according to them.

Lets see....use a public computer, in a public place, on a public network, and people actually think this is "spying"...or better yet there will be some who say its an invasion of privacy....

If your IQ isn't high enough to know that NOTHING online is private then god help you because you surely failed yourself....

Yes, the real criminals will do their business with a hacked wireless connection while spoofing their MAC id and a bot that they upload to some other computers all while maintaining crypto for their operations. This will only catch the extremely retarded.

reply to post by rcwj1975


Actually, not public, not public, not public.

An internet cafe is privately owned. If I was a frequenter of these establishments, I would ask the owner if they had been approached by the police. If they were, I would ask if they are keeping an "eye" on customers. If they were, I would inform them I would never frequent their shop again.

Sorry, in a private shop, the owner can do what they want, but I find it an invasion of privacy. That is just me though.

Originally posted by endisnighe
Actually, not public, not public, not public.

An internet cafe is privately owned. If I was a frequenter of these establishments, I would ask the owner if they had been approached by the police. If they were, I would ask if they are keeping an "eye" on customers. If they were, I would inform them I would never frequent their shop again.

Sorry, in a private shop, the owner can do what they want, but I find it an invasion of privacy. That is just me though.

I understand what you mean, but the reality is its still the internet and no matter where you log on, its NOT private. The shop they may visit is privately owned and so may be the computer...but unless that shop owner owns the internet, its like standing in front of the window naked...people can see what your doing.

Originally posted by rcwj1975
Lets see....use a public computer, in a public place, on a public network, and people actually think this is "spying"...or better yet there will be some who say its an invasion of privacy....

If your IQ isn't high enough to know that NOTHING online is private then god help you because you surely failed yourself....

Lets see...an internet cafe is a private company, on private property, regardless of what public network it may be using, they are offering as product or a service the use of that public network in a private setting, where individuals can contract with internet cafe owners, and demanding a certain amount of privacy in exchange for pay, to use this public internet in a private setting.

Originally posted by rcwj1975
I understand what you mean, but the reality is its still the internet and no matter where you log on, its NOT private. The shop they may visit is privately owned and so may be the computer...but unless that shop owner owns the internet, its like standing in front of the window naked...people can see what your doing.

Actually, if the transmission of information is handled in a fashion where privacy is expected, then it IS private. Ie: Online banking. If the transmission of information is in a fashion that does not have an expectation of privacy then it is considered public. IE: Email transmitted in plain text.

The reality is the police are complete morons when it comes to the internet. If they had a clue they wouldn't be asking cafe' owners to rat on their patrons..in effect, cutting their own financial throats.

If Police had a clue, there would be no child porn, no spam, no fraud etc etc... but, the police are simply are out gunned intellectually when it comes to the internet. You can hardly hire the best and the brightest, then expect those same best and brightest to follow blindly as you demand they enforce oppressive laws... Not to mention they don't teach most of the really good stuff in the schools.

So

Originally posted by rcwj1975
"If your IQ isn't high enough to know that NOTHING online is private then god help you because you surely failed yourself.... "

Is at the very least an inaccurate statement. At the most an extremely naive one.

..Ex

reply to post by v3_exceed


Sure the page may be secure so you can log on to pay your bills, but someone can still see the site itself that was visited. And cmon we all know there is no way even a https log on is 100% private...there is and always will be someone able to bypass and see what they want or get what they need. It may be secure against people like me without the ability to hack, but ALL software is vulnarable to those who know what their doing....

We know, don't we, that there's no such thing as online privacy ?

That being the case, if you do nothing wrong in the eyes of the Big Brother regime -- then you have nothing to fear

Originally posted by rcwj1975
reply to post by v3_exceed

 

Sure the page may be secure so you can log on to pay your bills, but someone can still see the site itself that was visited. And cmon we all know there is no way even a https log on is 100% private...there is and always will be someone able to bypass and see what they want or get what they need. It may be secure against people like me without the ability to hack, but ALL software is vulnarable to those who know what their doing....

Of this I can absolutely agree. All software is vulnerable, even the encryption that SSL provides was hacked years ago, by computers far less powerful than the average one today. My point wasn't that software is infallible, just that some aspects of the internet can be considered private.

As far as ssl or https being secure, it's not. Many trojans and malware will offload txt files of your typing to 3rd parties which include your banking details, without ever having to decrypt the actual data stream.

..Ex

reply to post by v3_exceed


Well I am SURE your much more knowledgeable about the IT stuff then I...lol. I guess my argument is, the owners of these places can refuse to "spy" for the cops...which is fine, but if someone wants to really see what pages are visited in that cafe, they can regardless.

Originally posted by rcwj1975
reply to post by v3_exceed

 

Well I am SURE your much more knowledgeable about the IT stuff then I...lol. I guess my argument is, the owners of these places can refuse to "spy" for the cops...which is fine, but if someone wants to really see what pages are visited in that cafe, they can regardless.

Well, I can't say one way or the other about your knowledge about IT stuff, but the company I own was doing PPTP installations when that protocol was still just papered. We had many installations of NAT via freebsd when frame relay was still in vogue. Today we build online web applications that interface with lan/wan structures over a variety of protocols. I started programming when I was 16 on an Apple IIe, but then I'm, 44 now and I don't personally program much these days.

You are correct, on an average PC, most people wouldn't know how to hide their browsing history, even the hidden one MS keeps after you remove recent files etc.etc.. But if you really want to surf anonymously

For example
Or here

And this isn't even beginning to touch on VPN connections to virtualized servers that could be wiped and re-setup in seconds.

The reality is anything the police are going to find in a cybercafe is mainly the stuff that we could all do without anyway. IE: kiddie porn, maybe some dope deals. But someone planning a real terrorist threat?

..Ex

reply to post by endisnighe


When i see Dunking Gonuts get computers for their customers, i'll know for sure.

reply to post by rcwj1975


They have trouble keeping the coffee fresh, for Petes sakes, they're going to keep WHAT eye on the customers?