2012/Microchips/Sun gods/And How To Make a Difference!

reply to post by Unity_99

"Hopi prophecy warns that nothing should be brought back from the Moon. If this were done, the Hopi warned, the balance of natural and universal laws and forces would be disturbed, resulting in earthquakes, severe changes in weather patterns, and social unrest."

But, the Hopi didn't understand the natural and universal laws and forces involved in earthquakes or weather. We know that they had mystical explanations for these things and we know that those explanations aren't correct. But, you're aware of my position. I think it's something you ought to consider.

I also think that this undertaking of yours is pretty cool. Even though I disagree with the conclusions, I think this endeavour to describe all of these connections ( or rather, "make" all of these connection) between all of these different cultures and texts across all of this time, is interesting if nothing else. Often times when people interpret everything as being connected in a meaningful way to everything else they are able to tell fascinating stories about how reality might be. And, of course, anything is possible.

Is the microchip part next? I'm looking foward to that. Also, who are the evil "they" that you occasionally refer to? The one's behind it all, deceiving us, who are "they?"

CHINA:

philologos.org...

Here are a few other things about that name from "Worlds in Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky.

"The Chinese annals...say that in the time of Emperor Yahou the sun did not go down for ten days. The world was in flames, and 'in their vast extent' the waters 'over-topped the great heights, threatening the heavens with their floods.' The water of the ocean was heaped up and cast upon the continent of Asia; a great tidal wave swept over the mountains and broke in the middle of the Chinese Empire. The water was caught in the valleys between the mountains, and the land was flooded for decades." [This supposedly corresponds to the same time frame as the Exodus.]

"At the time of the flood [Exodus], the Emperor of China was named Yau (Yah-oo)."

According to the Hebrews, alll nations heard the lawgiving. The earth's groans in the Papyrus Ipuwer were called "years of noise." "Years of noise, There is no end to noise...Oh, that the earth would cease from noise, and tumult (uproar) be no more."

"The great king-lawgiver of China, in whose times a dreadful cataclysm took place and the order of nature was disturbed, bore the name Yahou. In the Preface to the Shu King, attributed to Confucius, it is written: 'Examining into antiquity, we find that the Emperor Yaou was called Fang-heun.' Yahou was a surname given to him in the time following the flood [Exodus], apparently inspired by the sound of the earth's groaning."

"The same sound was heard in those years in the Western Hemisphere or wherever the ancestors of the Indians then lived. They relate that once when the heavens were very close to the earth, all mankind lifted the sky little by little at the repeated shouting 'Yahu,' which rang all over the world."

In the times of Yahou:
1. sun did not set for a number of days
2. forests set on fire
3. vermin filled the country
4. a high wave 'reaching the sky' inundated the land for many years
5. the king sent his astronomers out to chart the four quarters of the heavens as they had been disrupted
6. a new calendar marking year, month, seasons was established

"Chinese chronciles record that 'a brilliant star appeared in the days of Yahu [Yahou].'" It is Velikovsky's theory that this star was the comet/planet Venus/Phaethon/Morning Star which had not been part of the heavens according to antiquity before this time.

This is something I am shocked to find, I had thought of the Saturn SUN theory myself, about a month or so ago, and when I was sharing it with a few who write back and forth, one commented that it was a very unsusual theory!!!!

Here is an actual allegoation, historical one at that! This ties into ALL their coding, their mystery schools, their hidden agendas. Even perhaps their origins!

webspace.webring.com...

The Saturn Myth

As this work documented, several independent mythical themes lead to the same unified conclusion. (This list is a copy from the article in the first issue of Aeon, January 1988.)
1) There was once a sun god different from the present Sun.
2) In former times the planet Saturn was the "sun".
3) The sun god stood within a band or enclosure indicated by the sign (o).
4) Saturn stood within a band or enclosure indicated by the sign (o).
5) The ancient sun god occupied the cosmic center; it did not move.
6) Saturn, the "resting god" occupied the cosmic center; it did not move.
7) The ancient sun god originally stood at the celestial pole.
8) Saturn originally stood at the celestial pole.


Saturn - the father of the gods, that was The Sun of Night!!!!! - what does it all mean

There are many ideas that come to me. Some involve reigniting Saturn to return it to its glory of olden days perhaps, I believe thats called the Lucifer Project! I wonder if we would think that was a comet if it HIT!

But the records still exist showing the cycle, so perhaps that idea is there attempt to captilize on the event.

We basically have this: SATURN as a mystery and coded in their religions and words, along with sun god terminology, but its dark star stuff really. And, records of historical events that imply a real nemisis aside from Saturn, but Saturn itself is real mystery.

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They recorded it, and that really stands in their favor, along with many many civilizations.
And their records, carry on! I've read some of modern comments of their chiefs, they consider their records, age, and judgments concurrent.

The Hopi's are one of my favorite groups by the way, so I won't listen to too much against them.

I probably won't be able to find it, but that one elder's words of wisdom just shone like a light, and they were so true. This will be paraphrased until the moment it might grace my path again: The reason why the Hopi men wear their hair long. Well apparently macho white men have it all wrong! They imagine the cave man days where depicted by hauling a woman off over their shoulders. The native men wore their hair long to 1) be beautiful to women (AND I AGREE!) and 2) To provide a good handle for their womanfolk!

In any case,there is countless information discussing the Hopi and their accounts of coming from Pleiades, and their knowledge of the Star systems. Their term for the ets was the same name as the Sumerian, a long distance away, also the annanuki. Slightly different spelling I believe. They also had a term for the ant people that took them undergroun that was both linked to Orion and also to squash??? Something like that, GREYS!!!! Big heads!!! Fairly advanced knowledge, one might wonder at their knowledge being similiar to the more "advanced" culture of Sumar, as they were indigenous more natural people!

maya12-21-2012.com...

www.crystalinks.com...
Note, I don't mind crystal links, they have good research, as does burlington news! And a lot less boring to read than a text book!

Evidence suggest that the Hopi consist of the descendants of various groups that entered the country from the north, the east, and the south, and that a series of movements covered a period of probably three centuries, and perhaps considerably longer.

Their ancestors, the Anasazi, appear to have been related to the Aztecs of Mexico, and may have arrived in their current location 5 to 10 thousand years ago. In that time, they have developed an intricate ceremonial calendar that has helped them survive and be strong in a place that would not seem to have enough reliable water to sustain life.

Related to people of the various Pueblos to the east, the Hopis never actually had a single group identity--they were independent villages, sharing with the Zuni and other Pueblos a basic culture and view of the sacred, while sharing among themselves their own (Uto-Aztecan) language base.

Related to the Aztecs!

This of special note to TPTB that imagine they have willing sacrifices to their dark star/oops sun god:

They are not worshipping the sun, but praying to the Almighty, and the sun is a sign and symbol for that. Native Americans show less interest in an afterlife unlike the Christians. They assume the souls of the dead go to another part of the universe where they have a new existence carrying on everyday activities like they were still alive. They are just in a different world.

The religious and ceremonial life of the Hopi centers in the kiva, which is simply a room, wholly or partly subterranean and entered by way of ladder through an opening in the flat roof. While the membership of the kiva consists principally of men and boys from certain clan or clans, there is no case in which all the members of a kiva belong to one clan- a condition inseparable from the provision that a man may change his kiva membership, and in fact made necessary by the existence of more clans than kivas. It is probable, nevertheless, that originally the kivas were clan institutions."

n the Hopi Medicine Wheel of the Hopi prophecy of the four peoples of the Earth, the cardinal direction North represents the body, plants and animals, the color white and 'white skinned peoples', and Childhood. (can also represent birth, and/or meeting a stranger and learning to trust as in infancy, explained in Erik Erikson's stages of Psychosocial development).

The East is held to represent the mind, air, the color yellow and 'yellow skinned peoples', learning the groups to which people belong and Adolescence.

The South holds the heart, fire, the color red and 'red skinned peoples', and Adulthood.

Finally West holds the spirit, water, the color blue or black, and 'black-skinned peoples' and Elderhood. West also represents the final life stage in the wheel, being an elder and passing on knowledge to the next generation so that the wheel may start again just like the circle it takes after.

In many other tribes, however, the Northern direction corresponds to Adulthood (the White Buffalo), the South represents Childhood (the Serpent), the West represents Adolescence (the Bear) and the Eastern direction represents Death and Re-birth (Eagle). In terms of social dynamics, community building and the use of Circles in Restorative Justice work, the four quadrants of the circle correspond to Introductions.

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Star Knowledge - Ant People

Native Americans followed the movements of the celetsial markers - much as we do today. They called it Star Knowledge. Beyond the land where they lived, was the sky, and that beyond were dimensional portals or sky holes. Beyond that was an area that they called the Ocean of Pitch, were the beauty of the night sky and the galaxies spun out towards them. Beyond that were the boundaries of the universe. And that set along the rim at the boundaries of the universe were 4 different exterrestrial groups.

The Hopis called the Pleiadians the Chuhukon, meaning those who cling together. They considered themselves direct descendents of the Pleiadians. The Navajos named the Pleiades the Sparkling Suns or the Delyahey, the home of the Black God. The Iroquois pray to them for happiness. The Cree came to have come to earth from the stars in spirit form first and then became flesh and blood.

Each year a medicine man performs the green corn dance where he takes 7 ears of corn from 7 fields of the 7 clans to insure a healthy harvest. Early Dakota stories speak of the Tiyami home of the ancestors as being the Pleiades. Astronomy tells us that the Pleiades rise with the sun in May and that when you die your spirit returns south to the seven sisters.

They believe that Mythic Mountain is actually the home of the Kachinas. This mountain top is a sacred one. Being the home of the kachina spirits it is the place where all of the large mythic beings they honor in their rituals land. "We come as clouds to bless the Hopi people" is a quote passed from generation to generation.

There are some remarkable drawings that appear to be luminous discs of light in the petroglyphs all along the south west. Photographs of Billy Meier's Pleiadian space and beam ships look just like these rock petroglyphs from long ago.

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n this place lived a group of beings they called the Ant People. Drawings of the Ant People bear a strong similarity to the gray aliens, having large heads, short bodies, long spindly fingers, in some cases 4, 5, or 6 digits. Some of these drawings have the indication of telepathic thought waves coming from the beings' head themselves.

Hopi Prophecy speaks of the return of the Blue Kachina - Star People and Star Knowledge - at the end of this cycle of time.
(Note you have to look at the picture yourself)

And a little more!

think-aboutit.com...
(im putting link here to study further, myself!)

panui.tangatawhenua.com...
Indigenous Media Network Ltd.

In the Native American tradition, early Dakota stories speak of the Tiyami home of the ancestors as being the Pleiades; the Hopis called the Pleiadians the 'Chuhukon', meaning those who cling together - they considered themselves direct descendents of the Pleiadians; the Navajos named the Pleiades the 'Sparkling Suns' or the 'Delyahey', the home of the 'Black God', whereas the Cree claim to have come to Earth from the stars in spirit form first and then became flesh and blood. One legend ties the Pleiades to the Savior - on a street in the Holy Land, the Savior smelled the delicious aroma of freshly-baked bread. Entering the shop, the Savior was instantly recognised by the baker who presented Him with a tasty treat and a chance to rest from His labors. In gratitude, the Savior placed the baker, his wife and seven daughters in the Heavens to be safe with Him forever. Some Native Americans believed that all tribes in North America came from the Pleiades. They believe they are descendents of the star system and had been given a task by the Pleiadians to keep the Earth safe.

www.nwcreation.net...

China
The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.

Again records from the four corners.

en.wikipedia.org...
More deluge tales from around the world

Here are some from China, note the obvious change in the first, with their Communism (that originally was on behalf of the common man, as in Marxism, seizing the vehicles of commerse and industry, unions, co-ownership of the people, to the common working being equate with the dark star and the Dictorial rule now the Divine Order, hmmmm.....
Now On My Watch!

Version One:

A 22-year-long flood, caused by the worker god Gong Gong (Common Worker) who as always was striving to overthrow the divine order,
A committee of lesser gods chose Gun to control the flood, and with the help of Owl and Tortoise he strives mightily to do just that. However, partly because of the monster Xiang Liu he is unsuccessful and so the flood drives people to mountains and treetops.
In desperation the supernatural hero Gun dammed up the waters with Growing Soil stolen from heaven. The heavenly ruler Shun discovered the theft and that the application was not fully successful so he killed him. He ordered his son Yu to complete the flood control. To do that Yu is given the soil to control the flood, and dry the land. Then he must kill the nine-human-headed monster Xiang Liu that Gong Gong sent to frustrate the flood control efforts of Yu. When Yu beheads Xiang Liu the blood of the monster further pollutes the soil, and Yu must dig huge pits to store the blood in them, and save the remaining soil.

The soil dug out of the pits is used to create foundations for temples to praise the gods. Yu has worked so hard that half is body is shrivelled up. He loses his hair on his legs and it does not grow back, and his fingernails do not grow. However his prodigious efforts succeeds and the flood is controlled.

Yu calls a meeting of the heavenly gods and condemns Gong Gong and suggests that he be exiled from heaven and earth to prevent anymore disasters. Heaven agrees and Gong Gong is exiled.

Version Two:

Nu Gua is a great creator god. She is a smith god of great potency. When the world is threatened by flood and fire she smelts a five-colored cosmic stone to restore the sky. She then props up the new sky to the eternal mountains by cutting the limbs off a tortoise and placing it under the four cornered earth for stability. She burns reeds and stops and soaks up the flood water with their ashes.

Version Three:

The first born of heaven (Gun) is given the task to stop the flood which Gong Gong has started. He is unable to do so and so heaven kills him. After three days his son Yu is born from his belly and the shamans ressurect Gun in order to mediate between heaven and his son, and all mankind. Yu succeeds at controlling the flood so the order of heaven and earth is restored.

Version Four:

In the official versino used by the Emperor of all dynasties since it was created, the flood begins and snakes and dragons run before the waters creating panic and anarchy. Hibiscus (Shun) orders Yu to control the flood. Working faithfully and diligently Yu digs channels so the water can escape to the sea. Then he drives the snakes and dragons out of the land and order is restored to heaven and earth.

www.apologeticspress.org...

Legends have been reported from nations such as China, Babylon, Mexico, Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Persia, India, Norway, Wales, Ireland, Indonesia, Romania, etc.—composing a list that could go on for many pages (see Perloff, 1999, p. 167). Although the vast number of such legends is surprising, the similarity between much of their content is equally amazing. James Perloff noted:

In 95 percent of the more than two hundred flood legends, the flood was worldwide; in 88 percent, a certain family was favored; in 70 percent, survival was by means of a boat; in 67 percent, animals were also saved; in 66 percent, the flood was due to the wickedness of man; in 66 percent, the survivors had been forewarned; in 57 percent, they ended up on a mountain; in 35 percent, birds were sent out from the boat; and in 9 percent, exactly eight people were spared (p. 168). ....


The Aztecs tell of a worldwide global flood in a story with striking parallels to the biblical deluge. “Only two people, the hero Coxcox and his wife, survived the flood by floating in a boat that came to rest on a mountain” (Schoch, p. 103). Then, soon after the flood, giants constructed a great pyramid in an endeavor to reach the clouds. Such ambition is said to have angered the gods, who scattered the giants with fire sent from the heavens (cf. Genesis 11:1-9).

www.newdawnmagazine.com...

Arkaim: A Bronze Age Town in the Southern Urals

In 1987, in the middle of the Russian steppe, a team of Russian archaeologists unearthed the ruins of a fortified town called Arkaim, causing great excitement in scientific ranks and a surge of neo-pagan and nationalist enthusiasm among Russian intellectuals. The region was known to have preserved landmarks of the most diverse cultures, ranging from every epoch and every direction of the compass, but Arkaim was the first clear evidence of an ancient advanced culture flourishing on Russian soil.

Constructed on a circular principle around a central square, with about sixty semi-dugout houses built within its ramparts, the settlement was situated in the southern Urals, near the Russian city of Chelyabinsk. It was defended by two concentric ramparts of clay and adobe blocks on a wooden frame, and could only be entered via four intricately constructed passageways that would have made the entrance of enemies extremely difficult. The inhabitants and the common central square were thus well protected by Arkaim’s defensive, inward-turned ground plan. The town was found to be closely aligned to several celestial reference points, and is therefore believed to have been an observatory as well as a fortress, an administrative and a religious centre.

Dubbed “the Russian Stonehenge,” this Bronze age settlement was about 3,600 years old and was contemporaneous with the Cretan-Mycenaean civilisation, with the Egyptian Middle Kingdom and with the Mesopotamian and Indus valley civilisations, and older by several centuries than Homer’s fabled Troy, whose circular layout it so closely resembled. Arkaim was inhabited for 200 years and was then mysteriously burned down and deserted.

....The Russian team’s explorations showed that Arkaim enjoyed an advanced technology for its time. It was equipped with a drainage gutter and storm sewage system and had actually been protected from fire: the timbered flooring of the houses and the houses themselves were imbued with a fireproof substance – a strong compound the remnants of which can still be found in the ruins. Each house gave onto an inner ring road paved with wooden blocks; and in each house there was a hearth, a well, cellars, an oven and provision for a cooled food storage system. The oven was such that it may have been possible to smelt bronze in it, as well as to fire pottery.


.....The truth is that Arkaim was a troy town, so-called after the city in Asia Minor that the Greek king Agammenon destroyed during the Trojan Wars. Built on the same circular principle as Troy, as described in Homer’s Iliad, but at least six hundred years older, Arkaim finds its prototype in Plato’s Atlantis with its three concentric circles of canals; in legendary Electris, the Hyperborean city some said was built under the Pole Star by the sea-god Poseidon; and in Asgard, the sacred city dedicated to the Norse god Odin that is described in the Icelandic saga, the Edda. All these legendary troy towns have the same circular ground plan. They have gone down in history as neolithic Wisdom centres and the seats of ancient god-kings, and this undoubtedly throws light on the cultic function of Arkaim in its day, as we shall see.....


Built in the unique architectural mould of nordic Asgard, the most sacred shrine of the Aesir of which the Prose Edda relates that “men call it Troy,” Arkaim may have been a shrine dedicated to the Aryan Sun religion, yet the roots of its dedication would have lain ultimately in the far older cult of the Pole star. Essentially, this was the religion of the shaman, the wizard, the medicine-man and other wonder-workers in touch with the spirits of nature.

Thus the swastika, thought to be the exclusively Aryan symbol of sun-worship misappropriated by the Nazis,7 and found depicted on many of the clay pots unearthed in Arkaim, is an older religious and metaphysical symbol than that attached to the Aryan Sun God, its roots lying in totemic shamanism. René Guénon, the eminent French esotericist, points out that the swastika, symbolising eternal motion around a motionless centre, is a polar rather than a solar symbol, and as such was a symbol central to the Pole star cult, originally dedicated to a planetary deity connected to Ursa Major, the Great Bear. This centre, Guénon stresses, “constitutes the fixed point known symbolically to all traditions as the ‘pole’ or axis around which the world rotates…” The swastika is therefore known world-wide as the ‘sign of the pole.

This is a good find. Now we have a few different towns, designed in a similar fashion, roughly 3600 years ago (this one was), another mentioned 200 years difference. That one burnt out and deserted. Swaztika, and Sun gods, and the swaztika symbolic of the POLE or AXIS of rotation, very significant of a Pole Shift.

Seems to tie in with German history decades ago, and Project Paperclip. There is an enormous rise in Sun god allegories prior to these events, as if they are determined to chain people (through trickery) to their dark star handlers.

From the same link:

How long ago, or for how long, this circumpolar culture may have existed no-one knows: possibly 200,000 years or more. In The Interpretation of Radium, the acclaimed physicist Frederick Soddy stated that some of the beliefs and legends which have come down to us from antiquity may be “evidence of a wholly unknown and unsuspected ancient civilisation of which all other relic has disappeared.”19 There may have been, he suggested, previous cycles in the unrecorded history of the world when civilised men lived “in a past possibly so remote that even the very atoms of civilisation literally have had time to disintegrate.”20

On the basis of years of investigation, Charles Hapgood, a New England professor of history, in 1982 declared that possibly as long ago as 100,000 years BCE the hub of a worldwide maritime civilisation with a highly developed level of scientific knowledge must have been in existence in the Arctic Circle.21 Until lately Hapgood’s finds, presented in Earth’s Shifting Crust (1958) and Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings (1966), have been largely ignored in scientific circles, even though they elicited support from the great physicist Albert Einstein; but today interest in them is mushrooming among a growing number of highly accredited investigators.....



René Guénon appeals to the oldest and most authentic esoteric traditions in claiming that long before the Indo-European races arose, at a time when a hunter-gatherer humanity was still at a primitive stage of development, the tropics were differently distributed and a great Hyperborean culture flourished around the Arctic Circle, “in the Islands of the Blest on the shores of the Ocean where the great maelstrom whirls.”22

Only later, after a catastrophic change in geological conditions, did this senior race migrate southward, some to Central Asia, others, possibly crossing the Bering Strait, to Atlantis to the west. The latter has been located by some researchers in the Antilles, two large islands beyond the Gulf of Mexico widely regarded as the remains of what was once a great sunken landmass.23 (In support of this theory, the Caribs and the tribes of Hispaniola have long had a tradition that many of the islands of the Antilles, a well-known earthquake zone, were once connected by a single landmass, before a great cataclysm about 15,000 years ago submerged the connection and left only the known island fragments.)24

Leaving aside Guénon’s oblique reference to the two southern refuges of the Hyperboreans being in Russia and Central America, he suggests that in both cases the two groups brought with them advanced mathematical and astronomical knowledge and the seeds of arts and sciences that would eventually be passed on to our brute ancestors to become the basis, about eight thousand years ago, for our own civilisations......



Arkaim and the Sun Gods

Modern historians have found that three great floods seem to have occurred in the known span of human history. According to Stephen Oppenheimer in Eden in the East, the third of these, around the fifth millennium BCE, corresponded to Noah’s Flood and was the greatest of the three, peaking during the fourth millennium.33 It caused catastrophic coastal flooding, tsunamis and severe earthquakes, and also desertification of the interior of the land masses, and civilisation disappeared. Once again the species was threatened with a reversion to savagery, and once again salvation appeared from Inner Asia.

In the third millennium BCE, so the Chinese Celestial records tell us, the Sons of the Sun – also known as the Sons of Heaven – fanned out across the world from their homeland in the Karakorum Range at the western end of the Trans-Himalayas, bearing with them the higher revelation of the Sun religion.34 It was a patriarchal and hierarchical belief-system that disclosed new depths of metaphysical and technological knowledge inducive to civilisation. Everywhere the stone circles whose central axis was dedicated to the Pole Star, like Stonehenge in ancient Britain, evolved over a further thousand years into more sophisticated observatories focused instead on the Sun and its circling planets, and human culture once more blossomed.

Cycles, pole shifts, sun gods, a combination of history and esetoric knowledge. This combination has continued running things on this planet for a long time. Even if a person just pays attention and tries to prepare for a catastrophe that could be coming their lifetime, and ignores all the rest. This is the rabbit hole, and its a very deep convoluted maze of compartmentalization.

Understanding this, is the best way to free ourselves. Love and Freedom are the two most important principles there are.

www.beforearmageddon.com...

After careful scrutiny and interpretation of the traditions of ancient peoples and cultures (sacred scriptures, sky charts, astronomical tables, myths, legends and fairy tales) and taking into account geological and paleontological data, Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky (1895-1979) reconstructed the emergence of our epoch in historical time. Although unanimously witnessed by our forebears, corroborated through factual observation of natural phenomena and reconfirmed by recent space exploration, this story now strikes us as incredible, even fantastic, but strangely familiar all the same. Velikovsky formulated a radical new concept of natural and world history, which might well shake the foundations of our present astrophysical concept of the world, of our entire culture, as well as of half a dozen academic disciplines along with it.....



For to this very day, the displacement or suppression of memories relating to those terrible events, which befell our planet earth in most recent times (1500-750 B.C.), – cosmic aberrations that led to the cataclysmic changes which shaped our solar system to its present form, – appears to be no more than a consistent manifestation of a culture caught up in “collective memory-loss.”(1) Part of its pathology apparently consists in not only having no clue as to the most important of its foundations, but in deliberately insisting on ignorance of these facts......




THE TESTIMONY OF THE ANCIENTS

The idea of world epochs ending through catastrophic upheavals was common to all peoples on earth, as was the belief that “at the end of each epoch various miraculous signs would appear, by which the gods would warn the mortals.”(4) The Etruscans, who were skilled and expert star gazers, carefully observed these signs and noted them down in their scriptures. The pre-Socratic philosophers believed that the world was destroyed by floods or firestorms at regular intervals. Hesiod describes four ages and four successive races of humankind destroyed by the wrath of the planetary gods.

Corresponding traditions still exist in Tibet, India, China, Persia, Egypt, with the Incas, Aztecs and Mayas and on the Hawaiian and Polynesian islands. The number of bygone ages varies between four and ten, but the accompanying circumstances of their passing are always described in the same terms. Cosmic upheavals caused gigantic, catastrophic changes that shook this planet, and in each epoch “a different sky [vaulted] over the earth”(5) and a “new sun”(6) appeared. Now, what does this mean, different suns? Has the earth not always revolved around the same sun from time immemorial? Yes, indeed, it has always been the same sun, but its path through the heavens, i.e. the earth’s movement around it and the its rotation around its own axis have differed from one epoch to the next. The priests of ancient Egypt have assured us that in historical times, since Egypt became a kingdom, the sun “on four occasions rose opposite its habitual rising place: twice it rose where it now sets, and twice it set where it now rises.”(7)..........




Similar reports can be found in Plato’s Politeia, Euripides’ Elektra, in the writings of Seneca and the Pythagoreans, in Mexican and Eskimo traditions, in the Talmud and in many other scriptures. In the Qur’an Allah is described as the “Lord of the Two Easts and Lord of the Two Wests”(8). The Kalevala epic states that “the sun occasionally left its path”(9) and the Aztecs recount: “For many years there had been no sun… The chieftains began to look out into the gloom for the expected light, and they placed bets on which part of the sky it might first appear. Some said, ‘Here’, while other said, ‘There’; but when the sun finally rose, it appeared that they all had guessed incorrectly, for none had placed his bet on the East.”(10)......


Chinese reports tell of a “brilliant star”, which appeared in the constellation Yin during the reign of Emperor Jahou and was visible in the daytime, “rivalling the sun in brilliance”(13) less of a star than a “fiery ball”(14). In the daytime, the tail of this comet was visible as a trail of smoke, whereas at night it was seen as a gigantic pillar of fire, a “torch spreading across the entire horizon”(15), at the appearance of which both “Heaven and Earth began to tremble.”(16) On its orbit it approached the earth every fifty-two years. It so happened at the time of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt that the earth twice passed through the tail of this unlucky star. The first passage was signalled by a fine, reddish dust that fell upon the earth and turned the rivers “into blood,”(17) and brought about a “severe plague.”(18) Red-hot rocks of increasing size began to strike the earth, earthquakes shook the ground and there was an ceaseless, deafening roar. A pitch-black, burning mass (mineral oil) poured forth upon the earth and, drawn up by the gravitational pull of the foreign star, the waters of the sea rose up as a pillar, mile-high above the mountains and visible to all the peoples of the world. The earth’s second passage through the comet’s tail produced a grandiose scenario, which appeared as a colossal battle to the horrified onlookers.......



When the earth passed through the gases, dust, and meteorites of the tail of the comet, dirsturbed in rotation, it proceeded on a distorted orbit. Emerging from the darkness, the Eastern Hemisphere faced the head of the comet. This head only shortly before had passed close to the sun and was in a state of candescence. The night the great earthquake shook the globe was, according to rabbinical literature, as bright as the day of the summer solstice. Becauce of the proximity of the earth, the comet left its own orbit and for a while followed the orbit of the earth. The great ball of the comet retreated, then again approached the earth,......

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Emerging from the gases of the comet, the earth seems to have changed the direction of its rotation, and the pillar of smoke moved to the opposite horizon.1 (Cf. Exodus 14:19) The column looked like a gigantic moving serpent.

When the tidal waves rose to their highest point, and the seas were torn apart, a tremendous spark flew between the earth and the globe of the comet, which instantly pushed down the miles-high billows. Meanwhile, the tail of the comet and its head, having become entangled with each other by their close contact with the earth, exchanged violent discharges of electricity. It looked like a battle between the brillant globe and the dark column of smoke. In the exchange of electrical potentials, the tail and the head were attracted one to the other and repelled one from the other.


.....At the time, however, Venus was a “smoking”(22) comet, which had a “beard”(23) or a “mane”(24). It was said: “Fire hangs down from the planet Venus”(25), and “her shining light blazes from one end of the universe to the other.”(26) The Chaldeans called her “marvelous spectacle of heaven”(27), to the Egyptians she was the “spinning star that spreads about its fire in flames”(28). She was the most feared and most venerated planetary goddess of antiquity......



Why does Venus no longer pose a threat to us nowadays? According to Velikovsky, this is because at the beginning of the seventh century she collided with Mars.
“Even though he himself was hurled out of the ring, he still managed to force Venus from an elliptical orbit into an almost circular one. Seen from the earth, Venus was steered from an orbit rising steeply towards the zenith into her present one… Venus, for many centuries the terror of all the world, turned into a tame
planet.”(33)

Whereas as Michael she had fought with the dragon,
as Lucifer she plunged from high heaven
and “her hands were tied by God.”(34)

The end of the reign of terror, which Venus had upheld for eight centuries, since the days of the exodus from Egypt, moved Isaiah to utter the following words: “How you have fallen from heaven, o Day Star, son of Dawn! (…) You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high;”(35) (Isaiah 14/12-13) In Velikovsky’s opinion, more than three-hundred generations of exegetes have tried in vain to interpret this passage.

Whereas Mars through his collision with Venus prevented total catastrophe from befalling the earth, in his new orbit he now became the terror of all peoples; they would anxiously anticipate his return every fifteen years, until on March 23, 687 B.C. he made contact with the earth one final time. Since this last catastrophe, in which the earth staggered about “like one drunk” and was thrown about like a “hanging bed”(36), the solar system has remained as we know it today, and our present era began with a year of twelve months and three-hundred and sixty-five and a quarter day.

This was an incredibly good interpretation of what has gone down as religous and mythical events both Biblical and Mardok related, in effect it appears to explain quite well what would happen if a dwarf star, or a heavenly body entered our solar system, and the havoc it could do to the planet over time, turning each planet into a dangerous orbit until they sorted themselves out.

This was around the time of Moses.

I could spend days looing for alternative sites to the long list of documents ET_MAN has put up, some of it similar to Luca's work that I linked at the beginning with his site: the-rabbits-hole.com...

There is so much information more trails occur just looking and hours disappear. But the carvings already convinced me. So other trails and accounts listed can be added searched for by anyone interested or addeed at a later point, such as:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

www.scribd.com...


--Tuetonic tribes ancient Europe, Germany to Scandinavia, Norse, and their records ofa time the earth shook, and one such account, the world trembled...mountains crumbled or split from top to bottom,...human race swept from the surface of the earth....The giant surt (comet), set the entire Earth onfire...

slowly the earth arose from the waves.


en.wikipedia.org...

n one variant collected in Northern Ostrobothnia in 1803/04, the rune tells:

The blood came forth like a flood
the gore ran like a river:
there was no hummock
and no high mountain
that was not flooded
all from Väinämöinen's toe
from the holy hero's knee.[18]

--Ancient Tribes Finland recall a time when hailstones of ironfreel from thesky andthe land was covered with blood.

---In the Kolbrin Manuscript the description of "the Destroyer" at the time of the Great Flood:


”Then, with the dawning, men saw an awesome sight. There, riding on a black rolling cloud came the Destroyer, newly released from the confines of the sky vaults, and she (the Destroyer) raged about the heavens,for it was her day of judgment."

"The beast opened its mouth and belched forth fire and hot stones and a vile of smoke. It covered the whole sky above and the meeting place of Earth and heaven could no longer be seen. In the evening the places of the stars were changed, they rolled across the sky to new stations (pole shift), and then the flood waters came (the usual inundation)."

With the destruction, and deluge, the moutnains crumbled. Unbearable heat, and then came bitter cold.

It is also said:
”Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it goes and that it will return in it’s appointed hour.”



For those who wish to continue studies:

--Eskimos in Greenland, and other north areas tell of the Earth tilting and nearly everyone drowning. They talk of the whale, cetecean and fish bones left behind.

---South Pacific, Hawaiians, Tahitians, Andaman, Aboriginals of Australia as tell of great floods. They have some records and memories of this being a deluge by sea, and cosmic dissaray.

--Vedas, India: four past ages, known as yugas. Global cataclysms called pralayas. Floods, wind, and fiery celestrial object. Every 3600-4000 years.

--Ancient Babylonian, earth upheavals caused by celestrial object called Marduk.

--Sumerian text:

”Now this is the account of the Deluge that over the Earth swept .. .For days before the day of the Deluge the Earth was rumbling, groan as with pain it did .. .For nights before the calamity struck, in the heavens 'Nibiru' as a glowing star was seen .. .Then there was darkness in daytime, and at night the Moon as though by a monster was swallowed. The Earth began to shake .. .In the glow of dawn, a black cloud arose from the horizon. The morning light to darkness changed."

Then the sound of a rolling thunder boomed (as the Earth's poles began to shift), lightning's the skies lit up .. .In the Whiteland (polar ice cap), at the Earth's bottom (South Pole), the Earth's foundations were shaking ... Then with a roar to a thousand thunders equal, off its foundations the ice sheet slipped, by 'Nibiru s' unseen net force it was pulled away, into the South Sea crashing.

"All at once a tidal wave arose, the very skies was the wall of waters reaching ... The tidal wave northward was spreading .. No one his fellow man could see ... The ground vanished, there was only water .. .All that once, on the ground stood, by the mighty waters away was swept .. No one except us few survived."




--(Book of Enoch 64:1-3), we read: "In those days Noah saw that the Earth became inclined, and that destruction approached ...And he said, "Tell me what is transacting upon the Earth,for the Earth labors, and is violently shaken."

inclined? pole shift?

--Bible (King James Version), we find the following: (Isaiah 24:1-20): "Behold the Lord maketh the Earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it 'upside down,' and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof ... The Earth shall reel to and fro like adrunkard."

Here it says the earth turneth upside down.

(Joshua 10:13): "so the Sun 'stood still' in the midst of heaven and hastened not to go down about a whole day.



There are so many records and stories, but when these events happened, they were sudden and there is indication that some of the nations were technologically advanced as well. There are very good records of technology, nor was Egypt considered a minor player in the world, both in terms of the technology discovered there, and its size and interaction with nations, it was an Empire, a Mecca.
Yet after the events, most nations were more concerned with basic survival, the few that managed and huddled together in caves or underground, nearly all knowledge was lost.

Reading over the acrcheological discoveries in the past years, and their complete contempt for our right to know, their outright lies, and their blocking, even covering sites in some occasions, including in the US, often discoveries off the coastlines, as if they, the leaders, or some hidden group, now who could they be??? actually believes THEY OWN IT ALL AND WE'RE NOTHING! The only legal ones are the ones we know about and hire, and they shouldn't be feeling comfortable in their jobs, they're public employees, and we're their COLLECTIVE EMPLOYERS! They should be looking over their shoulders alot more. This area alone creates red outs in me!

The ancient histories that have been somewhat preserved for us, and they're consistent in every corner of the globe, are often overlooked and called fables, by our institutions, as if they're not backed by anything! As if they stand alone!

In reality, there is so much evidence of past civilizations and cities lying in ruin, from the four corners of the earth, off the coastlines that tranform legends into histories, sometimes obscurred in religious terms, sometimes not, all pointing to the same events.
Archeologists and geologists are so used to filtering out the information that does not fit into their pet theories, or known view of the world, that they lose reporting the factors that make the discovery of great importance and correlate all the arts and sciences including history.

When they do realize that a catastrophe is being suggested, its still treated as a one off event, though around the globe, there many other one off events, and so much that paints on enormous picture. Humans have been subjected to cycles, and forced to rebuild many times already, and castrophes shape our progression of sciences, culture, advancement, greatly limiting our race, and keeping us as children, easily taken advantage of by wolves, ruthless leaders, and cosmic rogues!

www.grahamhancock.com...

Graham Hancock's official site, and he has done extensive dives examining/researching ruins and offshore ones. This is a rather startling quote:

Marine archaeology has been possible as a scholarly discipline for about 50 years - since the introduction of scuba. In that time, according to Nick Flemming, the doyen of British marine archaeology, only 500 submerged sites have been found worldwide containing the remains of any form of man-made structure or of lithic artefacts. Of these sites only 100 - that's 100 in the whole world! - are more than 3000 years old.



.....In 1997 a chain of mountains almost 2000 kilometres long and more than 3000 metres high was discovered in the South Pacific. Nobody ever knew the mountains were there before because they are under water - as, in fact, is 70 per cent of the earth's surface. Marine archaeologists -- who are looking for targets much smaller than mountain-ranges under the sea -- can therefore be forgiven for finding just 100 submerged sites more than 3000 years old in the past half century. Even at the crude mapping level, it is one of the absurdities of scientific priorities that we now have a better map of the surface of Venus than we do of the 225 million square kilometres of our own planet's sea-floor.

Graham Hancock - Quest for the Lost Civilization (1 of 14)

The rest are on the channel!



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We really need to understand that with our leaders and system so tightly cut off from the real power, the shadow militia government running things, and that in that arena, everyone is so tightly compartmentalized, so as to really keep it under the control of the few, how we are never privy to the true findings, the archeology under the seas, the artifacts found in the sahara. We are kept as serfs, and that is the very thing WE MUST CHANGE!

For more research, more information, convering these topics, this is an excellent link, with information independently researched akin to lucas's site:
comingearthchanges.phpbb3now.com...

I'll be quoting from this later as well, because its OK to find alternative links but this is such a big topic with so many different research trails, and its as if divided:
--more critical information often only released in expensive journals and the mainstream info, perhaps given a spin or slant.


Very good thread, wonderful find: Hidden Artifacts (pis)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bear in mind, this is just a hint. There are real classified archeological discoveries made in the Sahara and it would take enough people waking up and shake truth out to see, and also to what wonders are off the coast, including the pyramids and cities. Who took the technology, another good question, or do their "handlers" even let them close to that?

Here they are! / Bill Ryan (Project Avalon and Camelot) - Klaus Dona 25 March 2010 part 1/5


Bill Ryan (Project Avalon and Camelot) - Klaus Dona 25 March 2010 part 2/5


Bill Ryan (Project Avalon and Camelot) - Klaus Dona 25 March 2010 part 3/5

Notes coming after I post them, but this is technology, the magnetic applications, the geometry, actually creates a machine, I've known you could draw schematics in magnetic chalk for somethings, and create technology using lines, shapes, drawing applications. There is so much room for experimentation for our own technology expecially IF we are facing a dark side reset button being shot our way by the duality system. By those who think the human race is theirs!


Bill Ryan (Project Avalon and Camelot) - Klaus Dona 25 March 2010 part 4/5



Bill Ryan (Project Avalon and Camelot) - Klaus Dona 25 March 2010 part 5/5

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Here are my notes on the videos. Very interesting.

Part One

--many pyramids throughout the world. Similar structure. A global civilization?

--structure found off Japan, roads, no rubble of fallen rocks, turtle and eagle sculputure, colesium, roads, stairs, seats...nature may be filled with wonders but doesnt do this.

--world maps, used long time before Columbus, and how perfect the map was already, showing part of Europe, Africa and South America. Who made such perfect map so long ago? And antarctic without ice. And our technology shows its the same. So older than 10 000-12 000 years.

Also you can see the continent between Europe, Africa and also America.

Stone world map, Equador underground, with 350 other artifacts not fitting in to culture. A natural quartz line, a white one. Saudi Arabia, you can see an inlay as an Eye, then quartz lines over India, Thailand and a long Island on the right side....a huge contintent, MU!, dating the map to 10 000-12 0000 years ago. Back side, quartz line crosses Atlantis, then it crosses part South America.

--Pyramid with eye, like the dollar. Bottom, inlay shows orion star constellation and unkown writing, pre-sanskrit. The son of the creator comes.

--There are stones artifacts all over the world same writing, and this means there must have been a world wide, global civilization older than sanskrit and older than 6 000 years.

Part Two:

--On this stone you can see the two eyes, and then you can see the right hand holding the pyramid and the left hand on top of the pyramid showing how to use it with the eye. Then you can see a man sitting and using the pyramid as shown, and you can see rays out to two bowed person,. On his head a helmet with antenna to a strange object over him (craft?)

--Helmet, something missing.

--One big jade cup, 12 little jade cup. The 12 cups manmade slightly different manmade, but if you fill them up perfectly and put them in the big cup, it fills it perfectly.

Little cups have numbers that look like mayan numbers but they are different too. On the big you can see perfect inlaid star constellation, orion and others, and inside its very magnetic, and outside nearly nothing. And thats impossible for if it has magnetic particles inside the stone it must be the same from both sides.

Perfect inlay star constellations big cup shining very brightly if you put black light on it. The small cups with numbers also shine under black light.

--more artifacts, and one where on the backside you see the inlay a spiral and a triangle and the center of the triangle is magnetic also shining under black light.

--backside cobra, a snake that never existed south america. 33 inlaid, and 7 points inlaid, maybe chakras. Also shining brightly.

--stone helmet. If you lay head inside or on shoulders, and the inlay points are the accupuncture points on the human head. At same place they found an unfinished stone helmet, so they were made in Ecuador.

--spirals.

--stone with pyramid and symbols like found 1880 in India and talking about the lost continent of Mu.

--statures lotus from Asia, hat with points, look like Budda presentations and snake in his mouth. This is not from any existing or known pre Columbia cluture.

--another one, asia, head of frog on hat. Mystical in local culture also in Africa and Asia.





Part Three:

--Before 4000 years a large impact Argentine, and destroyed many architectural structures and artifacts. sun gate. Venus Calendar on top of sun gate. Could you do such perfect work with simple tools?

--Skeletans 2.6 meters. Skull elongated. Not deformed, natural. Jaw strong. Skull does not have 3 plates like we do as homosapiens. They need an age/dna tests (probably blocked by authorities)

--Mask. The masks were belonging to 2.6 meter skeletons, not lining up to our faces. Oversized. Spirals, symbols. Snakes. on figurines.

--Stone flute. The vibation of the sound of the flutes exactly same as our brainwaves (meditation or healing?) Perfectly connected holes in very hard stone, very hard to do even in our days. A shape of a u that curves around inside the hard stone with precise holes, simple tools couldnt do this.

--small flute--sound like dolphins

--genetic disc. made out of ludite (strong stone, nearly as hard as granite, but like leafs so we cant do this in our days). A perfect disc 27 cm, with several things presented you can usually only see with a microscope. eggs/sperm. fetus different size and age. Female and male symbols.

--knife in ludite again.mothers head, childs head, umbillical cord: knife to cut umbillical cord.

--an instrument ludite that may have been used in complicated birth. It shows mother and childs head coming out, and you can only use with your fingers, has a thumb print, not a power tool.



Part 4:

--ludit medical instrument. Perfect forms. Its not understood how they were done or who made them but no one can make them today, so they cant be dated, but the cant explain technology though thought to be over 6000 years old. Each peice fits everyones hand, no matter what the size.

--Africa, Guinea. Portrait lady down in granite stone. Size is exactly 150 meters. Who could have done this 10 000-12 000 years ago? Face not Africa or European, Asian or South America, perhaps Atlantis.

--Sierra Leone: sky stones, sky blue stones. Artificial stone, not natural. Color unusual. Stone figures down there and aged to 2 500 years to the oldest ones, 17 000 years.

Artifacts showing giants riding elephants and also half human/half reptilian, snake like?

Animals, look like a dinosaur. The stature was making a strange noise, and inside they found a small black ball of iron. This metal material is chrome steel, and it was found beginning 20th century Austria, the age was 17 000 years of the statue.


Part 5:

--If statue making strange sound, then xrays are done. And the xrays shows inside closed statue was the ball.

--There were photos on internet photoshopped. These ones are real, skulls and skeletons. A skull dated up to 11 000 years found in tunnel system Columbia, large, different teeth, strong jaws.

Bill cuts in about a scene from Conan Barbarian when James Earl Jones transforms Snake, and the jaw is pronounced. THeir witness spent time annunaki real time, present day, 8 or 9 feet all, matches the 2.6 meters, very strong, very tall, very strong jawline.

--Malta, shows several long skulls. Peru has some in a museum. Near Nasca lines. Most strange skulls he ever saw. What kind of humans were living there. Even one with skin and hairs on one.

--Legendary skeleton forms of giants, 1964, south of ecuador. Their skulls were nicer shaped, by our standards. So two giant races! Annunaki and a more human looking one.

Hi Unity_99,

Great thread.

I really enjoyed the videos and here's a link to a website with more info on those artifacts directly. www.unsolved-mysteries.info...

I also have plans to get into a lot of other artifacts/hidden knowledge/archaeological discoveries etc eventually at this link: comingearthchanges.phpbb3now.com...

I'm going over the rest of the thread, there's a lot of good info here, thanks for taking the time to put this together.

Best Wishes!
Love & Light!
ET_MAN

Can you put all of this on a site? Like ETMAN did? I want to yank it, and I will go through the thread if I have to...but just thought I would ask. LOL. Ya'll are awesome!
Peace and Love,
-FCL

reply to post by ET_MAN


Thank you. Its quite a long process, and the most important part is at the end, how to make a difference. This is for awareness. We need to know what we could be facing and become unglued from our apathy, the signs of changes are all around us, and the dumbs have been built. I've been given information recently by someone who doesn't give any kind of information that has protocol, but due to his family, he would know. His information was a wiki on how to survive impact from a super comet, and just prior to that he sent me something technical in nature, and his info before that was unusual.

There's also the Lucifer Project hanging in the balance as well, I really don't believe they put over 10 times the nuclear warhead as the one they crashed into Jupiter and probably created that dark spot, on this probe that's circling Saturn if its not going to be put into use! They wouldn't do this without reason.

It seems to me TPTB do things in spades when they see an opportunity.

The information at the very least should get more people to do their own research, and look into this more If an event of this magnitude is going to occur, I want as many to survive as possible and to keep their technology push into the free energy, advanced clean energy, and create a future better than the past. But they're going to be down below. 500 000 of them! So why are we being told? We need to wake up before the event and hold them accountable. There is not a chance we want them living under us, with people unaware, being monitored on screens, with them casting bets on various groups, and playing sadistic gods, with space age technology! Not a chance! Either justice or they walk across the floor and join us and release the technology, and amnesty, but no winning. We need win/wins instead and equality.

Aside from that we need to show each other our love and pull in our help. It would change everything.

I would appreciate any additions you could make to this. Warm Wishes! Love & Light!


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Originally posted by First Curiosity Last
Can you put all of this on a site? Like ETMAN did? I want to yank it, and I will go through the thread if I have to...but just thought I would ask. LOL. Ya'll are awesome!
Peace and Love,
-FCL

Thats a good idea. I'll look into getting a free wordpress blog, this week , and store things there I want to keep.

@ET_MAN: Thanks for the unsolved mysteries link! I'm going to be adding a few of this to the thread.

www.unsolved-mysteries.info...

For decades, the "gold aircraft" from Colombia have been considered as some of the most spectacular archaeological finds. The small gold objects are often referred to as "religious decorations" and "animal figurines", but like comparable burial objects from ancient Egypt they display features otherwise known only from modern aviation technology. Such as the delta geometry of the low set wings, the exactly dimensioned tail with the rising rectangular tail fin and the horizontal elevator. Wind tunnel studies at the Aeronautical Institute in New York have confirmed this impressively. Now, airworthy reconstructions of the miniature models have again confirmed what open-minded researchers had long suspected – that these objects could be models of giant airplanes that really did exist once upon a time!

Places of discovery: Tolima tombs in Colombia.

Age: around 500 AD, Tolima style (100 to 1000 AD)

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www.philipcoppens.com...
Read this link! This sculptural design is designed to take flight. Fully functional!

I wonder, since the model has been proven to be air worthy, just what is up with those Nazca lines anyway?

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Nazca Lines

The Kensington Runestone

There are numerous theories about the first authentic discoverer of America: Leif Eriksson and his brothers in the 11th century; 985. A. D. the Viking Bjarn Herlufsson; or maybe Irish monks? This stone is one of the most astonishing fi nds. Most of the scientists suppose that it is a forgery from 19th century. But recent examinations resulted that it is an authentic document. The stone measures about 1 meter in height, 50 cm in breadth and is 10 cm thick. It weights 100 kg. It was found in 1898 by Olof Ohman, Swedish migrators and farmer in Kensington, Minnesota.

Wasn't going to include this, but there have been numerous runestones apparently iniatitially debated and rejected but subsequently aged and proven concerning the Scandinavians. The odd thing is, they arrived around 1700 BC, and at this time the last of the Mascots, pigmy ones became extint:

www.radiocarbon.org...
And Wrangel Island Russia.

Also 1700 BC:
www.crystalinks.com...
Phaistos Disc. Much of the symbology has to do with death and rebirth.

Model of an egyptian „light bulb“

As we know today, certain ejectors (fluid entrainment pumps) (A) will produce a relatively strong vacuum, especially if a cascade arrangement is used for the pumps - i.e. several identical components are connected in series. If a glass bulb with two metal parts reaching inside (B), (C) is evacuated, a discharge will occur at a much lower voltage, depending on the size of the glass balloon (D). At a pressure of approximately 40 torr (40mm mercury column), a line of light will wind its way from one metal part to the other (E). If the evacuation is continued, the line widens further until it eventually fills out the entire glass bulb. Exactly what the images in the underground chambers of the Hathor temple suggest.

As shown by the ancient reliefs on the walls of the Egyptian Hathor temple of Dendarah, the pharaoh's priests, just as knowledgeable in science as in religion, must have known the secret of electricity. These reliefs show human figures standing next to bulb-shaped structures. It does not take a stretch of the imagination to recognize these objects as overdimensioned light bulbs. Snakes trapped inside these objects perform a wave-like movement. Do they symbolize electrical discharges? The snakes emanate from the central tip of a lotus flower. An accurate design from the physical point of view. After all, this is exactly the point where the field intensity reaches its maximum in a modern bulb socket. Thus, the lotus flower could be interpreted as the bulb socket, connected via the cable-like hose to some kind of energy store. The entire structure is supported by insulator type Djec pillars with arms, often directly connected with the snakes. Egyptologists refer to the illustrated items as "cult objects" without knowing their original meaning.

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Egyptian Lightbulb


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Egyptian Lightbulb

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Inside Egyptian Lightbulb

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Egptian Lightbulb Relief

There is absolutely no mistake that this lightbulb was fully functional and worked. Its amazing ot me that these discoveries have not yet launched a massive search for evidence, that links all the finds, all the offshore discoveries, and rewrites our history books. Something that simply cannot be understood. Its SHOCKING.

In a survival situation, knowledge rules, its more important than we can ever imagine, having the knowledge, and the tools, including methods of creating tools beyond stone age, this is the most important thing we can do. We need to form local groups so printing off and laminating, and archiving everything can be shared by many hands, and duplicated and put in many places.






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Electrical Batteries from the Parthian Period

Thousands of years old electrolytic batteries, 14cm high, with a lead coated iron rod inside a copper cylinder are on display in the National Museum of Baghdad. Bitumen was used as an insulation material for the metals, some of which are presumably unknown alloys. Most of these electrical cells were found in the vicinity of today's capital of Baghdad. They are said to date back to the Parthian period, more than 2000 years ago. In 1978, German Egyptologist and museum director Dr. Arne Eggebrecht demonstrated in the presence of electrical engineers that these objects do actually work. Filled with tartaric, acetic or citric acid, these clay vessels generate an electrical voltage of 0.5V. This proves that the "magic devices" must have been ancient batteries used to gold-plate small figures.

Bitumen seal
Tartaric, acetic or citric acid
Vase shaped clay enclosure
Iron rod
Copper cylinder
Bitumen coat
Copper cap

Places of discovery: 1936 during excavations in the Khujut Rabuà area, around the ancient town of Seleukia and the Parthian metropolis of Ktesiphon in Iraq.
Age: 2000 years (some sources tell of finds dating back a further 2000 years)

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Inside Electric Battery

I've heard people saing these are misunderstood. Hmm...well inside shows the schematics. They've been understood, all too well. Its us who are being kept from gaining understanding.

We really have to ask, with the technology that was there, truly, why? why? why? was it lost? Why do we stay children through the ages. I have faith in the human race and fully believe we're beautiful with great potential. Time to move ahead, into the future, no more resets!

Skull deformations

The cult of skull deformations was practiced by several cultures around the globe. A strange practice indeed, spread mainly in ancient Egypt, the Middle East, Africa, North, Central and South America and frequently in China. Some artificially elongated heads, deformed during early childhood, were even found in graves in Bavaria and Lower Austria, too. In more recent times, the deformation of skulls was still practiced in Lapland and on Crete. So far, the purpose of the deformation and why it was practiced all over the world at different times remains unclear. Was it just an ephemeral "ideal of beauty" or the desire to imitate a godly example, a kind of imitation cult?

Place(s) of discovery: all over the world

Age: from ancient until recent times

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Until recent times??? Annunaki! Interesting that two types of giants have been discovered, one with this shape of skull, one looking human!

[qupte]"Marsian fashion wear“ in Stone

Who modeled this helmet-wearing figure? It was made between 1150 and 100 BC, is 17cm high, was made of reddish sandstone and is supposed to represent an Olmek priest king. However, the helmet, collar and facial expressions are strange and technological. The statue almost seems to represent a diver or astronaut. It even seems as if the supposed "priest king" was wearing gloves. And what is the significance of the claw feet of the unknown character, often associated with a mysterious "Jaguar Cult"? Approximately 30 years ago, the strange figure was displayed in public - in a showcase of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. Today, the figure is privately owned by researcher couple Dr. and Mrs. Milton Arno Leof, Mexico City. This "prehistoric astronaut" with clearly Mongoloid facial features was discovered in Xochipala, Guerrero, Mexico. Its origin is unknown.

Place of discovery: Xochipala, Guerrero, Mexico

Age: between 1150 and 100 BC.


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This one is quite the find in Mexico.

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Side view of the glider model of Saqqara-the model resembles a bird but with vertical tail, no legs and straight wings / Photo from Dawoudk

Under his initiative, the artifact measuring 5.6 inches in length and 7.2 inches of wingspan gave rise to speculations about ancient Egyptians possessing aeronautics technology. Interestingly, this model was found to have a very advanced ‘pusher-glider’ mechanism that can keep it air-borne at speed limits of 45 to 65 mph. Its assumed ability to carry a heavy weight during its flight was greatly attributed to its downward-pointing wings.

Although archaeologists and historians have challenged the existence of airplanes in ancient Egypt, this model has stood its ground as a proof against that for believers. Scientists have also stressed that Egyptians were known to create a miniature prototype of large-scale projects they planned to form. Viewed in that light, this bird-like artifact indeed appears to be a mini plane even to non-professionals.

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Makes sense of this:
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Abydos Temple Egypt Relief

I'm going to include some videos that show this information, tested, workable, and in depth.

Ancient Egyptian Planes


Ancient Discoveries Ancient cars and planes 15


Egyptian Bulb


Egyptian Light bulb



the Powers of the Ancients - the proof

This last one I found very interesting. The sculptures are kept in the Scottish Museum, and are very accurate, they would require a telescope. A quote from the youtube channel:

the ancient Picts could see pollen grains - here is the proof that they could - for they took what they saw and sculpted the images into little stone artefacts.
recorded by the national museum of scotland as religious artefacts - fertility objects for ritual use.

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