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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:00 AM
reply to post by Unity_99

These 'mystery school boys'. The devil knows not for Whom he works, perhaps? At the back of it, I mean. Their future karma is a bit like tripping over their shoelaces. Careless!


posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:50 AM

The official name of this document is Leiden Papyrus #344, after the Dutch museum where it currently resides. The style of writing suggests that it was a XIX dynasty composition, but it is probably a copy of one written much earlier. The first Egyptologist to make a detailed examination of it was Sir Alan Gardiner, in 1909. He believed it to be a XII dynasty work, recalling the chaos of the First Intermediate Period. Most scholars have agreed with Gardiner, though over the years some (Kurt Sethe, Immanuel Velikovsky, and Jan Van Seters, to name a few) have argued that a Second Intermediate Period date is more likely. If Gardiner was correct, this is the only record we have describing the turbulent years between the Old and the Middle Kingdom.....

Indeed, [hearts] are violent, pestilence is throughout the land, blood is everywhere, death is not lacking, and the mummy-cloth speaks even before one comes near it.
Indeed, many dead are buried in the river; the stream is a sepulcher and the place of embalmment has become a stream.
Indeed, noblemen are in distress, while the poor man is full of joy. Every town says: "Let us suppress the powerful among us."
Indeed, men are like ibises.2 Squalor is throughout the land, and there are none indeed whose clothes are white in these times.
Indeed, the land turns around as does a potter's wheel; the robber is a possessor of riches and [the rich man is become] a plunderer.
Indeed, trusty servants are [. . .]; the poor man [complains]: "How terrible! What am I to do?"
Indeed, the river is blood, yet men drink of it. Men shrink from human beings and thirst after water.
Indeed, gates, columns and walls are burnt up, while the hall of the palace stands firm and endures.
Indeed, the ship of [the southerners] has broken up; towns are destroyed and Upper Egypt has become an empty waste.3

--14. Pomponius Mela, a Latin author of the first century. wrote: 'The Egyptians pride themselves on being the most ancient people in the world. In their authentic may read that since they have been in existence, the course of the stars has changed direction four times, and the sun has set twice in the part of the sky where it rises today.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.119 ] ...

--In the Ermitage Papyrus [Leningrad, 1116b recto] also, reference is made to a catastrophe that turned the 'land upside down; happens that which never (yet) had happened.' It is assumed at that time- in the second millenium-people were not aware of the daily rotation of the earth, and believed that the firmament with its luminaries turned around earth; therefore the expression, 'the earth turned over,' does not refer to the daily rotation of the globe. Nor do these descriptions in the papyri of Leiden and Leningrad leave room for figurative explanation of the sentence, especially if we consider the text of the Papyrus Harris-the turning over of earth is accompanied by the interchange of the south and north poles. [ Worlds in Collision, p.121 ]

---Harakhte is the Egyptian name for the western sun. As there is but one sun in the sky, it is supposed that Harakhte means the sun at its setting. But why should the sun at its setting be regarded as a deity different from the morning sun? The identity of the rising and the setting sun is seen by everyone. The inscriptions do not leave any room for misunderstanding: 'Harakhte, he riseth in the west.' " [ Worlds in Collision, p.121 ]

---In the tomb of Senmut, the architect of Queen Hatshepsut, a panel on the ceiling shows the celestial sphere with 'a reversed orientation' or the southern sky. The end of the Middle Kingdom antedated the time of Queen Hatshepsut by several centuries. The astronomical ceiling presenting a reversed orientation must have been a venerated chart, made obsolete a number of centuries earlier. 'A characteristic feature of the Senmut ceiling is the astronomically objectionable orientation of the souther panel,' The center of this panel is occupied by the Orion-Sirius group, in which Orion appears west of Sirius instead of east. 'The orientating of the souther panel is such that a person in the tomb looking at it has to lift his head and face north, not south.' 'With the reversed orientation of the south panel, Orion, the most conspicuous constellation of the southern sky, appeared to be moving eastward, i.e., in the wrong direction.' [ Worlds in Collision, p.120 ]

---The real meaning of 'the irrational orientation of the southern panel' and the 'reversed position of Orion' appears to be this: the southern panel shows the sky of Egypt as it was before the celestial sphere interchanged north and south, east and west. The northern panel shows the sky of Egypt as it was on some night of the year in the time of Senmut.[ Worlds in Collision, p.120 ]

---Plato wrote in his dialogue, The Statesman (Politicus): 'I mean the change in the rising and the setting of the sun and the other heavenly bodies, how in those times they used to set in the quarter where they now rise, and they used to rise where they now set..'[ Worlds in Collision, p.122 ]

---The Eskimos of Greenland told missionaries that in an ancient time the earth turned over and the people who lived then became antipodes. [ Worlds in Collision, p.126 ]

---In Tractate Sanhedrin of the Talmud it is said: 'Seven days before the deluge, the Holy One changed the primeval order and the sun rose in the west and set in the east. [ Worlds in Collision, p.126 ]

---In Voluspa (Poetic Edda) of the Icelanders we read:

'No knowledge she [the sun] had where
her home should be,
The moon knew not what was his,
The stars knew not where their stations were.'
Then the gods set order among the heavenly bodies
[ Worlds in Collision, p.130 ]

---The Aztecs related: 'There had been no sun in existence for many years ..[The Chiefs] began to peer through the gloom in all directions for the expected sight, and to make bets as to what part of heaven [the sun] should first appear ... but when the sun rose, they were all proved wrong, for not one of them had fixed upon the east.'" [ Worlds in Collision, p.131 ]

---Similarly the Mayan legend tells that 'it was not known from where the new sun would appear.' 'They looked in al directions, but they were unable to say where the sun would rise. Some thought it might take place in the north and their glances were turned in that direction. Others thought it would be in the south. Actually, their guess included all directions because dawn shone all around. Some, however, fixed their attention of the orient, and maintained that the sun would come from there. It was their opinion that proved to be correct. [ Worlds in Collision, p.131 ]

---The Egyptian papyrus known as Papyrus Anastasi IV contains a complaint about gloom and the absence of solar light; it also say also: 'The winter is come as (instead of) summer, the months are reversed and the hours disordered. [ Worlds in Collision, p.132 ]

---In the Kalevala, the Finnish epos which 'dates back to an enormous antiquity,' the time the sun and moon disappeared from the sky, and dreaded shadows covered it, is described in these words:

'Even birds grew sick and perished,
men and maidens, faint and famished,
perished in the cold and darkness,
from the absence of sunshine..
from the absence of moonlight...
But the wise men of the Northland
could not know the dawn of morning,
for the moon shines not in season
nor appears the sun at midday,
from their stations in the sky-vault.'
[ Worlds in Collision, p.143 ]

---According to Seneca the Great Bear had been the polar constellation. After a cosmic upheaval shifted the sky, a star of the Little Bear became the polar star.
Hindu astronomical tablets composed by the Brahmans in the first half of the millennium before the present era shows a uniform deviation from the expected position of the stars at the time the observations were made (the precession of the equinoxes being taken into consideration). Modern scholars wondered at this, in their opinion inexplicable error. In view of the geometrical methods employed by Hindu astronomy and its detailed method of calculation, a mistake in observation equal to even a fraction of a degree would be difficult to account for. In Jaiminiya-Upanisad-Brahmana it is written that the center of the sky, or the point around which the firmament revolves, is the Great Bear. This is the same statement we found in Thyestes of the Seneca. [Worlds in Collision, p.317 ]

SOURCE: Velikovsky, Immanuel. Worlds in Collision, Simon & Shuster, New York, 1977. First Printed in 1950.

These quotes listed can all be researched independently from various links, this just saved some time, and had them compiled in one easy spot.

From all corners of the world, the same story is retold, in different words, often with different names, yet is its the same basic idea, the catastrophe is large enough to change the angle of the earth and the sun rises from another direction, this seems to be a regular occurence.

The Egyptians, and Mayans speak of 5 cycles, the Hopis of four.

I have heard that the reason the Royal Family built their underground base in Colorado, is due to the location, IF this event occurs, with other things first becoming evident, possibly and ice age, we'll become tropical in our location, closer to the equator.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:33 AM

Hevelius wrote: ‘In the year of the world 2453 (1495BC) according to certain authorities, a comet was seen in Syria, Babylonia and India, in the sign Jo, (Capricorn) in the form of a disc’ at the very time when the Israelites were on their march from Egypt to the Promised Land, led by ‘a pillar of the cloud during the day and by the pillar of fire at night.’

“It was fiery, of irregular circular form, with a wrapped head; it was in the shape of a globe and was a terrible aspect. It is said King Typhon ruled at that time in Egypt. Its movement was slow; its path was close to the sun. Its colour was bloody.” It caused destruction in ‘rising and setting.’ Servius writes that the comet caused many plagues, evils and hunger. Almost every Greek author referred to this comet.......

What type of strange 'red' celestial object could this ancient wise sage have been describing? Certainly nothing that has ever been seen in our skies during modern-day times!....

Pliny wrote; “A terrible comet was seen by the people of Ethiopia and Egypt, to which Typhon, the King of this period, gave his name, it had a fiery appearance and was twisted like a coil and it was very grim to behold; it was not really a star so much as what might be called a great ball of fire.” Typhon brings conflagration and deluge, it draws the seas from their beds, as the Red Sea parted during the Exodus, the magma is drawn from the volcanic chambers (as in Thera) and after it passes, the sun, moon, and all the planets return to their original position....

In the annals of ancient Etruria, according to Varro, were records of seven elapsed ages. Censorinus, a compiler of Varro wrote; there is a period called the 'supreme year' by Aristotle, at the end of which, the sun, moon, and all the planets return to their original position. This 'supreme year' (3,600 years) has a great winter and a great summer. The world seems to be inundated and burned alternately in each of these epochs.

In many ages, noted and written, have been the ascociation with a red fiery comet, a winged serpent, named serpents and even dragons in various cultures throughout the world. And this was in conjunction with ends of cycles, massive indundation, flooding, earthquakes, and crustal displacement wherein the sun and stars themselves would change positions, seasons would change as well.

Good description of authors, reseachers in hisotory, namely late renaissance years, with bibliography at the end.

This is rather interesting:

Although we may never be certain of the sources on which Abraham Rockenbach and other cometographers drew in mentioning a comet in connection with the Deluge, the great medieval rabbinical authority Rashi was probably among them.(4) Rashi wrote concerning Khima, a celestial body mentioned in Job 9:9 and 38:31, and in Amos 5:8, that it is “a star with a tail,” or a comet. In the Talmud, Khima is associated with the Deluge, and this seems to have been the source of the cometographers’ assertion that a comet appeared in conjunction with that event.
The Kolbrin Bible. Very Good Information!
Scrbd link for it!

and the Culdian Trust Versian:

The Kolbrin is a collection of ancient manuscripts said to have been salvaged from the Glastonbury Abbey arson in 1184. The Kolbrin is also said to have had a connection to Jesus, historically through his Great-Uncle, Joseph of Arimathea. This Culdian Trust version of The Kolbrin was publically disclosed online by Professor James M. McCanney, M.S. Chapters from The Kolbrin are made available on this website only with direct approval from the Culdian Trust....

It has been rumored that Nikola Tesla acquired some knowledge from this book (according to James McCanney). In the past, only a very select few, some might say an elite group, have had access to this book. Now, the current caretakers of this ancient knowledge believe ''these are the days of decision, when humankind stands at the crossroad,'' and are making the book available subject to explicit conditions. is currently the largest online source of information regarding the Kolbrin and Kailedy Manuscripts, it is not the official website of the Culdian Trust, but we have worked in close communication with the Culdian Trust in an effort to provide this partial electronic rendition of their original translation (also notably the first Kolbrin ever published and made available to the general public in modern history)....

From combined research, the origins of The Kolbrin can be traced back to a large collection of manuscripts salvaged from Glastonbury Abbey during an arson attack that was intended to destroy them. It was the time of history when there was a great suppression of monasterys. As fate would have it, the once considered heretical works were transcribed on bronze tablets by the religious druids of the time. Since they were thought to be destroyed during the fire, they were preserved in secrecy.

Since then, much of the original text was lost or destroyed due to the passage of time, their environment, and human error. Each caretaker though, has gone to painstaking efforts to preserve what was left and to fill in the gaps with the correct knowledge in order to preserve the original meaning....

Hmmm... this last information makes it alot like the Bible. Still there is a lot in this document, for anyone interested in reading. For the short form of the important quotes, the only site I have found, who did a really good job of discussing this is the zeta talk one. While I don't trust the zeta talk site, I am going to link and quote this, its too big a book for me read in entirety now.

Kolbrin speaks of the passing planet causing the pole shift as The Destroyer, where the ancient Summerians called it Nibiru, and today we call it Planet X.
Red Star Oahspe, Marduk by the Babylonians, Sichin called it the 12th Planet.....

Here's what is said in the Kolbrin, page 128, about the Flood.
First, that red dust would be seen in the skies, the Moon's orbit not right.
And Noah is given a warning.
I quote the Kobrin:

… They had knowledge of … signs and omens, the secrets of the seasons, of the moon and the coming of the waters. ... there were wise men filled with the inner wisdom, who read The Book of Heaven with understanding and knew the signs. … Then the day came when The Lady of the Night changed her garment for one of a different hue, and her form swept more swiftly across the skies. Her tresses streamed out behind in gold and copper, and she rode in a chariot of fire. … the hour of trial draws nigh. The shadow of doom approaches this land … because you have not mingled with the wicked, you are set apart and shall not perish. Abandon your abode and possessions, for the hour of doom is at hand; neither gold nor treasure can buy a reprieve.

… It has been told to me in a dream that the ship should be built against the mountains, and the sea will come up to me. … The lowermost was for the beasts and cattle and their provender, and it was laid over with sand from the river. The middle one was for birds and fowls, for plants of every kind that are good for man and beast, and the uppermost one was for the people. … cisterns for water and storehouses for food … the ship was without mast or oars. There were no poles and no openings, except for a hatch beneath the eaves above whereby all things entered. Into the great ship they carried the seed of all living things; grain was laid up in baskets and many cattle and sheep were slain for meat which was smoked by fire. They also took all kinds of beasts of the field and wild beasts, birds and fowls, all things that crawl. They said to the mockers, "Have your hour, for ours will surely come".

Of all the people who entered with him, two understood the ways of the sun and moon and the ways of the year and seasons. One the quarrying of stones, one the making of bricks and one the making of axes and weapons. One the playing of musical instruments, one bread, one the making of pottery, one the care of gardens and one the carving of wood and stone. One the making of roofs, one the working of timbers, one the making of cheese and butter. One the growing of trees and plants, one the making of ploughs, one the weaving of cloth and making of dyes, and one the brewing of beer. One the felling and cutting of trees, one the making of chariots, one dancing, one the mysteries of the scribe, one the building of houses and the working of leather. There was one skilled in the working of cedar and willow wood, and he was a hunter; one who knew the cunning of games and circus, and he was a watchman. There was an inspector of water and walls, a magistrate and a captain of men.....

The floodgates of Heaven were opened and the foundations of Earth were broken apart. The surrounding waters poured over the land and broke upon the mountains. … storms and whirlwinds were loosed. … There was a time of great heat, then came a time of bitter cold. The waves over the waters did not rise and fall but seethed and swirled. … The stars in the Heavens were loosened from their places, so they dashed about in confusion. There was a revolt on high, a new ruler appeared there and swept across the sky in majesty. … The Destroyer passed away into the fastness of Heaven and the great flood remained seven days, diminishing day by day as the waters drained away to their places.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 11:25 AM
I just want to thank you very much for all the information you have given us. I really enjoyed reading your threads.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:04 PM
One prevalent thing I've noted in research is that the information is taken from myths, legend and ancient writings, often the links you find are there to buy these journals. The only sites that quote them or discuss them are the ones considered less reputable, though they are discussing historical writings/records. This is done deliberately!

Plutarch explains, "The Egyptains regularly call Typhon 'Seth.'" Typhon, representing Field phenomena, was the monstrous son of Gaia, the Greco-Roman Earth-mother. He was a demon of the whirlwind, upon his shoulders he carried a hundred serpent-heads that spit out fire, his voice was like all formidable beasts in one, and his eyes were fire. Typhon is associated with the pillar and serpent symbols, and also Saturn. Zeus, who is Jupiter, felled him with the thunderbolt. Plutarch tells us that he helps to bring about a fierce fire that scorches and burns up the world, making a "greater part of the Earth uninhabitable by reason of his blaze." He is attributed with hurricanes, hot winds and smoke. Typhon not only appears in Homer's Iliad, but also Ovid's Metamorphoses (Book 5), Hesoid's Theogony, and numerous other writings throughout history.

"Zeus pelted Typhon at a distance with thunderbolts," Apollodorus tells us (Epitome II). Strabo relates that Typhon "when struck by the bolts of lightning fled in search of a descent underground" (Geography, VII: 3 & 8). Typhon was a storm-god and attributed with the phenomena of the Field areas. Serpents, of which Typhon was associated, are characteristic of Field phenomena, as will become clear.

The myth of the "Destruction of Men by the Gods" was revived on the walls of the tombs of Seti I, Ramses II and Ramses III. As you might recall from the discussion in Tome Six it was Sekhmet, which is Venus, that nearly destroyed mankind.


In the Papyrus Hermitage (1116 BC) there are descriptions of the same event, which include the type of darkness that could be the result of neutrons.

"How fareth this land? The Sun is veiled and will not shine that men may see. None will live when the storm veilth it; all men are dulled through the want of it. The Sun separateth himself from men; he ariseth when it is the hour. None will know that it is midday, and his shadow will not be distinguished. No face will be bright that beholdeth thee, and the eyes will not be moistened with water [through looking at the Sun]. He is in the sky like the Moon." Another account reaffirms this, "In the days of Typhon the Nile was empty of water and the Sun darkened." ....

Written on the shrine of Al-Arish is the following:

"The land was in great distress. Misfortune fell upon the whole Earth. There was a terrible uproar in the capital. For nine days no one could leave the palace. During these nine days of storm there was such a tempest that neither men nor gods [i.e., the members of the royal family] could distinguish the faces around them."

In the Harris Magic Papyrus, the serpent, usually referred to as 'Apop (also 'Apep or 'Apepi), is described with the same attributes as Seth. This serpent is said to "shaketh sky and Earth by his thunder-storms" and fights the "wide-mouthed dragon." A cosmic upheaval of fire is referred to in the Harris Magic Papyrus when there was what might be considered a polar reversal. It states that "the south becomes north, and the Earth turns over." It reinforces the statements of the Papyrus Ipuwer that the "Earth turned upside down." Also, the Pyramid Texts say that the Sun "ceased to live in the Occident, and shines, a new one, in the Orient." Again, the statements suggest the unexpected, a polar reversal in human history.

The many varied accounts of the comets, throughout historical accounts, and world wide, include references to the earth wobbling, and turning upside down!

Here is something that really infuriates me, while trying to find independent sources for what is contained in books that you can buy, and its a conpsiracy in itself. Take the word aegis, and the definition, relating to Zeus and the thunderbolts, and buried in mythology. Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian who lived in the days of Julius Caesar, and was a mavarick, traveling along dangerous roads, in various countries compiling an account of history. His reference to aegis is as something celetrial that sets forrests and cities ablaze from India to Europe. I've found links referring to this but you have to buy the books. I've found trails talking about various studies by the Jesuits, that pursued even after a ban from the Church in the 1600's, so this ban looks to be made for the common person, not the elites.......hmmmm. We get spoon fed the myths, and zeus, while elites take note of dates, times and comets. This is the great divide of info.

In any case, throughout the world the accounts seem to suggest comets, the carvings on the rocks speak of the signs of spirals, and the upheaval is so great that not only is the land inundated with water/floods, but great upheavals occur, and accounts of waiting to see in which direction the sun will rise, and change in earth's angle. Note the majority of the carvings, are to be found in the highest mountains along the west coast of the Americas, and scattered throughout the world. This in indicative of a general direction of diaster. Though if a crustal displacement occurs, its most likely from every angle.
Greek maratime craft named: Aegis Typhoon!

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:13 PM

Originally posted by mclinking
reply to post by Unity_99

These 'mystery school boys'. The devil knows not for Whom he works, perhaps? At the back of it, I mean. Their future karma is a bit like tripping over their shoelaces. Careless!


The real mystery here is the dark star, for in reality, when scientists say that most stars are part of binary systems, I've been told that ALL STARS ARE, and thats because we're in a duality. That should be the clue. The Pope and his Saturn hat, the graduation ceremony certificate is coded to be Saturn, the list goes on and on but in reality they are well versed in knowledge and choose to pledge their allegiance to the darkside. Earth really is like a school. If you've ever sungazed and greeted the light, and closed your eyes, and seen unusual colors, you'd note its not just random, they allign to chakra colors, with the lower ones often morning and the higher ones, afternoon. I can't be the only one who has discovered this. The Sun feels like wonderful angel. Their sun gods, arent on the light side of the duality!

This is what I'm being led to see, is the huge massive conspiracy by those serving the dark star, and in this case, perhaps the allegory for a star could be seen as collective consciousness.

There is a lot of symbolism here. One can connect it in a symbolic way or really find evidence to suggest, that they actually are serving this, with belief. Theres been a lot of whistle blowers, and some strange things to be found. I'll be examing and looking for quotes and coding, symbology in a while, even if many don't pay attention to this thread, I want to compile it in any case, because its needed.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Peaceful Warrior
I just want to thank you very much for all the information you have given us. I really enjoyed reading your threads.

Thanks, I'm making connections because this is not just a celestrial event, its one with deep meaning to the illuminati.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 12:40 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

The German-American anthropologist Franz Boas (1858-1942) traced the mythology of the Utes to the Canadian province of British Columbia, where the mythological trail connected the Utes with the Kutenai, and in turn the Okanagan. The Kutenai occupy territory encompassing parts of British Columbia, Alberta, Washington, Idaho, and Montana. Like the Utes, the Kutenai speak of a great fire that erupted over the earth when the sun was struck by an arrow. "Coyote is envious, and shoots the sun at sunrise. His arrows catch fire, fall down, and set fire to the grass."

And the Kutenai speak of the fear they have that the world will come to an end when the sky loses its stability: "The Kutenai look for Polaris [the North Star] every night. Should it not be in place, the end of the world is imminent."

Little is known of the origin of the Kutenai. They often have wavy hair, light brown skin, and slight beards. Their neighbours in the plains, the blackfoot, gave them the name Kutenai, which is a Blackfoot word for "white men". Franz Boas believed that the Kutenai were mythologically linked with their neighbours to the west, the Okanagan. The Okanagan called the Kutenai by the same "skelsa'ulk", which has been translated as "water people"....

In 1886, the famous American historian Hubert Howe Bancroft (1832-1918) related the Okanagan myth of their lost island paradise of "Samah-tumi-whoo-lah":

Long, long ago, when the sun was young and no bigger than a star, there was an island far off in the middle of the ocean. It was called Samah-tumi-whoo-lah, meaning White Man's Island. On it lived a race of giants -- white giants. Their ruler was a tall white woman called Scomalt. ... She could create whatever she wished.

For many years the white giants lived at peace, but at last they quarreled amongst themselves. Quarreling grew into war. The noise of battle was heard, and many people were killed. Scomalt was made very, very angry ... she drove the wicked giants to one end of the White Man's Island. When they were gathered together in one place, she broke off the piece of land and pushed it into the sea. For many days the floating island drifted on the water, tossed by waves and wind. All the people on it died except one man and one woman. ...

Seeing that their island was about to sink they built a canoe [and] ... after paddling for many days and nights, they came to some islands. They steered their way through them and at last reached the mainland.

The Okanagan and the Utes feared any dramatic change in the heavens as an ominous portent of another Great Flood. The fear that the sun might once again wander or the sky might fall became an obsession. The Utes related that: "Some think the sky is supported by one big cottonwood tree in the west and another in the east; if either get rotten, it may break and the sky would fall down, killing everybody."

And the Okanagan believed that in a time to come,

"... [the] lakes will melt the foundations of the world, and the rivers will cut the world loose. Then it will float as the island did many suns and snows ago. That will be the end of the world."......

The mythology of this lost culture stretched back nearly twelve thousand years to the time of the last earth crust displacement. Through this legacy we learn of the catapulting events in California at the time of the Great Flood: "The sky fell. The land was not. For a very great distance there was no land. The waters of the ocean came together. Animals of all kinds drowned."

American native mythology identifies four westerly mountains tied to the aftermath of a great flood. All four lie immediately west of land, and each is 1,800 metres or higher above sea level. At the time of the Great Flood, this land would have been the first hope for those survivors of the lost island paradise who had travelled so far across an endless ocean.

The native people of Washington and Oregon claim that their ancestors came in great canoes and landed on Mount Baker and Mount Jefferson. They believed that Mount Rainier was the refuge of those who were saved after the wicked of the earth were destroyed in a great flood. The Shasta of northern California tell of a time when the sun fell from its normal course. In a separate myth they tell how Mount Shasta saved their ancestors from the Deluge......

On the opposite side of North America lies another great mountain chain, the Appalachians. Here also, tales were told of terrifying solar changes, massive floods, and the survivors of these catastrophes.

The lush green forests of the southern tip of the Appalachian Mountains were once the home of the Cherokee. In the early part of the nineteenth century, a Cherokee named Sequoya created an alphabet for writing the tribal language. His work left a rich legacy of myths transcribed from his people's oral tradition. In one of these myths, the flood is attributed to the uncontrollable tears of the sun-goddess.

It was said that she hated people and cursed them with a great drought. In desperation the Cherokee elders consulted "Little Men" (whom they regarded as gods). They decreed that the Cherokees' only hope of survival was to "kill the sun". Magical snakes were prepared to deal a death blow to the sun-goddess. But a tragic mistake was made and her daughter, the moon, was struck instead:

When the Sun found her daughter dead, she went into the house and grieved, and the people did not die any more, but now the world was dark all the time, because the Sun would not come out.

They went again to the Little Men, and told them if they wanted the Sun to come out again they must bring back her daughter ... [Seven men went to the ghost country and retrieved the moon but on the return journey she died again. The sun-goddess cried and wept ... ] until "her tears made a flood upon the earth", and the people were afraid the world would be drowned.

The Cherokee, like the Utes and Okanagan tribes, had a dark prophecy of how the world would end:

The earth is a great island floating in a sea of water, and suspended at each of the four cardinal points by a cord hanging down from the sky vault, which is of solid rock. When the world grows old and worn out, the people will die and the cords will break and let the earth sink into the ocean, and all will be water "again".

Despite the fact that they both lived in mountain ranges, far from the ocean, the Cherokee and Okanagan people associated the mythological flood with an island. For the Okanagan this island lay "far off in the middle of the ocean".

Seems to be a story of Mu, and the Okanagan natives are considered the white natives with ties to the tall white race there, and their legend depicts a time when the Sun and Stars were wayward, and off their normal course, while great events of flooding, earthquake, volcanoes, and what amounts to crustal displacement took place!

There are links between various groups, and on different sides of the continent, all describing a great INUNDATION, where water covers the land completely.

They speak of seeking refuge in the Mountains, with Shasta and Rainier.

The ancient people have spoken of surviving as a race from one cycle to another, seeking refuge underground. In the Hopi accounts they mentioned being taken to safety by the ANTMEN. There are far too many coordinating legends of the same period, to ignore.

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:28 PM

The Popol Vuh English Translation! The Mayans Sacred Texts:

The Mayans were advanced in the astonomy, and knew that the earth was round, and the curvature of space:

Chapter Two:

They were endowed with intelligence; they saw and instantly they could see far, they succeeded in seeing, they succeeded in knowing all that there is in the world. When they looked, instantly they saw all around them, and they contemplated in turn the arch of heaven and the round face of the earth.

The things hidden [in the distance] they saw all, without first having to move; at once they saw the world, and so, too, from where they were, they saw it.

Great was their wisdom; their sight reached to the forests, the rocks, the lakes, the seas, the mountains, and the valleys. In truth, they were admirable men, Balam-Quitzé, Balam-Acab, Mahucutah, and Iqui-Balam.

Note, I do think out of the box, and much of the Mayan prophecies relate to the Popol Vuh.

As with other texts (e.g. the Chilam Balam), a great deal of Popol Vuh's significance lies in the scarcity of early accounts dealing with Mesoamerican mythologies. Popol Vuh's fortuitous survival is attributable to the 17th century Dominican friar Francisco Ximénez.

Sometimes I feel that information found is planted, popol coded is.....this would be Saturian if my thought was possible, and with Montalk and the Philadelphia Experiment, some strange thoughts have come. I don't like the terms:

The title translates as "Book of the Community," "Book of Counsel," or more literally as "Book of the Mat."

The Popol Vuh "Council Book" or "Book of the Community") is a book written in the Classical Quiché language containing mythological narratives and a genealogy of the rulers of the post classic Quiché Maya kingdom of highland Guatemala.

The book contains a creation myth followed by mythological stories of two Heroic Twins: Hunahpu (Junajpu) and Xbalanque (XbŒalanke). The second part of the book deals with details of the foundation and history of the Quiché kingdom, tying in the royal family with the legendary gods in order to assert rule by divine right.

The book is written in the Latin alphabet but is thought to have been based on an original Maya codex in the Mayan hieroglyphic script. The original manuscript which was written around 1550 has been lost, but a copy of another handwritten copy made by the Friar Francisco Ximénez in the early 18th century exists today in the Newberry Library in Chicago. ...


The original manuscript, called "The manuscript of Quiché," was written in Santa Cruz Quiché around 1550-1555. It is thought to have been written down from an oral recitation of a hieroglyphic manuscript that has since been lost. It was obviously written after the first missionaries arrived in Santa Cruz Quiché in the 1540s and is assumed to have been written before 1558. Judging from the genealogical part of the work, in which a prominent place is given to the Kaweq lineage, the author may have belonged to this lineage as opposed to the other royal Quiché lineages, the Nijaib, the Tam and the Ilok'ab lineages. Some have speculated that the author was a certain Diego Reynoso, also the author of another Quiché document, the Titulo de Totonicapán. Van Akkeren (2003) discards Reynoso as the author of the Popol Vuh, since the viewpoint in the Titulo de Totonicapan is biased against the Kaweq lineage - he thinks that the authors were in fact the heads of a faction of the Kaweq lineage called the Nim Ch'okoj.

Whoever the original authors were, The Quiché Manuscript was found in the Chichicastenango by the Dominican priest Francisco Ximénez in the early 18th century. He translated and copied the manuscript and added it as an appendix to his grammatical work "Arte de Tres Lengvas: Kaqchikel, Quiché y Tzutuhil". This manuscript was kept in a neglected corner of the Universidad de San Carlos library in Guatemala City, until it was discovered by Abbé Brasseur de Bourbourg and Carl Scherzer in 1854. However, "the Chichicastenango manuscript" has disappeared from history. Brasseur and Scherzer published French and Spanish translations a few years later.

Because of something that I suddenly feel inside, basically, everyone can judge the Mayan records for themselves, if they wish to add quotes to this thread, or any other thread its up to them.

I have a high suspician and really prefer to run with the indigenous records and historical docuements found throughout the world.

The Jesuits were in the Americas at this time, and their papal dark star/saturian plots could easily have concocted this event. The illuminati do not do things in one lifetime. This is perhaps something most people can't get around, they pass the baton through the ages and carefully work their plots and spin their webs adding to the work each step accordingly managing a large chunk of time.

Heres a link, if I can find that book, it might be worth reading.
Interesting site!

That fact is certain; and that is what this site is about.

The planet Saturn moved on a wildly elliptical path around the Sun in the remote past, entering the Solar System at very long intervals. Some time in the last 6 to 3 million years, perhaps after passing close to Jupiter, Saturn was placed in a much closer orbit around the Sun, very near Earth. From about 5800 BC, Saturn captured and held the Earth in a sub-polar position until 3100 BC, when Earth broke away.

"The evidence of myth which points to Saturn having once occupied a position above Earth's north polar regions is voluminous. There is not a race on Earth that has not preserved at least one account which states as much. According to this evidence, Saturn occupied a central position in the north celestial regions."

"It rotated, and rotated widely; but, other than that, it was immovable. It did not rise, it did not set. It merely became brighter and more glorious each night as the Sun set. This state of affairs seems to have lasted for ages. It is the one single dictum of the ancients from which all other beliefs are derived."

I have had a theory about Saturn for some time. So much of the coding is about Saturn including religious names, ie. El. This is the first I've read it was epliptical. It could easily be connected to the dwarf star/dark star, and be a part of the cycle, and also seems to be connected to their negative entities/ets, etc. One of the moons looks identical to the Death Star from starwars. This could be what was called planet X, or nibiru from the past, and it became caught in our orbit, by which it created an enormous amount of destruction. This could be the home of the annanuki!

Its also possible, since its not a typical planet, that its actually a small dawf star itself, with a lot of material blown off through the violence of entering and being captured by the sun, which would in turn mean its satelites were a part of small solar system. I've thought of that!

In other words, there may be more than one. One could be binary, and one could be a rogue star/planetary body.

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:45 PM

According to the Aztecs, life on Earth had been created and destroyed four times before the Age of the Fifth Sun, the time in which they themselves lived. This was really a story of fierce rivalry between various gods, each of whom made himself into a Sun, only to be killed by his successor.

Read more at Suite101: The Age of the Fifth Sun in Aztec Mexico: Creation, Destruction and Re-creation

Devastation and Catastrophe

Tezcatlipoca was the First Sun, but his deadly enemy, Quetzalcoatl, threw him out of the sky and destroyed the Earth. Tezcatlipoca, however, avenged himself on the day 4 Ehecatl (wind) when he overthrew the new Sun, Quetzalcoatl, and devastated the Earth once again with a terrible destructive hurricane.

Aztec Calendar and 2012 The Sixth Sun

a friar named Bernadino Sahagun, made friends with the natives and attempted to record for posterity their traditional beliefs and ideas. He discovered that central to their philosophy was a belief in the cyclical nature of time and an awesome fear that one day, possibly sooner rather than later, their world would come to an end. It seems that they believed that the sun, which they nourished with their sacrifices, would one day no longer send its life force, thereby bringing to an end the fifth and last age of man. They counted the days according to two calendars, one a "vague" year of 365 days and the other a shorter cycle of 260 days. Every day had two names, one according to each calendar so that the same combination of names would not recur for 52 years. When one of these 52 year time periods, known as an Aztec century, came to an end they would leave their cities and, going up into the surrounding hills, anxiously watch the stars. The sign they were looking for was the Pleiades star-group, symbolising for them a cosmic snake's rattle, crossing the southern meridian at midnight. This, they believed, meant that the heavens had not stopped turning and the sun would rise again. The Aztecs celebrated the birth of this new 'century' with rejoicing and the lighting of fires, symbolising the rebirth of the world.

They were not the only group of natives to climb high and study the stars. They did this on a regular basis, every 57 years, but if I can find the link, there is a group in Chili that do this every earthqake, and they display a doomsday phobia.

The Incas, rebuilt their city which served as an observatory 10,000 feet above sea level, a celetrail observatory, sanctuary, and they believed their city in the sky would save them from a great red comet.

These are things I hope to find references to, and will be looking for next. So Incas, and other groups I can find, next.

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 02:30 PM

This book is published on the same day in the Dominion
of Canada by Longmans, Green & Company, Toronto.

At the incipient stage of this collection I benefited greatly
from the understanding guidance of the late Dr. Vladimir As-
trov, versed in the lore and literature of many peoples.

I am under obligations to Dr. Leslie Spier, professor of an-
thropology of the University of New Mexico, who, at considerable
expense of time, read the manuscript at various stages of com-
pletion and aided me with invaluable counsel.

My thanks are due to Professor Clark Wissler of the American
Museum of Natural History, to Dr. Herbert J. Spinden of The
Brooklyn Museum, and to Professor Ruth Benedict of Columbia
University for their kindness in reading the manuscript and for
their stimulating comments.

(He goes on to list a great deal of help, permission to reprint, in short this information has been intensively researched!)

A characteristic of Hopi behavior, says Whorf, is the emphasis on preparation. One has only to read care-
fully the autobiography of Don Talaycsva as edited
by Leo W. Simmons in order to find this statement
amply verified. When Don finally came to the conclu-
sion that the white man's ways of education were only
leading him astray, making him helpless in the face of
the difficulties he had to overcome in order to make
a living in his own native environment, all his life
turned into a carefully planned pattern of prepara-
tion. His description of this period of his life is carried
to a vast extent by words designating pursuits of prep-
aration and concentration for the task ahead. One casual remark on Don's part is very revealing as to this attitude which is characteristic of most of the Pueblo people and, in fact, of many other culture groups of native North America. His statement, "I studied clouds and paid close attention to my dreams in order to escape being trapped by storms too far from shelter,"

And it is this peculiar outlook that has greatly influenced the language of the Hopi, especially the emphasis he places, as Whorf calls it, on the "intensi- ty-factor of thought." Here again, as among so many tribes, thought is believed to determine and to direct reality. By concentrating his thoughts on the corn plant, for instance, he feels he can influence its growth and maturation

This is an incredible book, and I might try to purchase a copy new, or even second hand. The culture and spiritual wisdom of the natives is related to the Law of Attraction/Infinity, to New Age, Manifesting, Intentions. To the Russian studies even that words and language can code our dna in real time, not just what pass on. They used words consciously to manifest, like magic, but its CO-CREATIONAL, and knew that the WORD existed before the manifsted universe!


The singing of songs and the telling of tales, with
the American Indian, is but seldom a means of mere
spontaneous self-expression. More often than not, the
singer aims with the chanted word to exert a strong
influence and to bring about a change, either in him-
self or in nature or in his fellow beings. By narrating
the story of origin, he endeavors to influence the uni-
verse and to strengthen the failing power of the super-
natural beings. He relates the myth of creation, cere-
monially, in order to save the world from death and
destruction and to keep alive the primeval spirit of the
sacred beginning. Above all, it seems that the word,
both in song and in tale, was meant to maintain and
to prolong the individual life in some way or other
that is, to cure, to heal, to ward off evil, and to frus-
trate death. Healing songs, and songs intended to sup
port the powers of germination and of growth in all
their manifestations, fairly outnumber all other songs
of the American Indian.

The word, indeed, is power. It is life, substance,
reality. The word lived before earth, sun, or moon
came into 'existence.

.....Whenever there is any trouble,
1 shall not die but get through.
Though arrows are many, I shall arrive.
My heart is manly.

By chanting these words the singer raises himself to
a higher level of achieving power; it is the magic qual-
ity of these words that will render him invulnerable.

It is not the herb administered to the sick which is
considered the essential part of the cure, rather the
words recited over that herb before its use. When a
Hupa Indian is sick, the priest recites over him tho
account of a former cure whose central incident is the
travel of some mythical person to the ends of the

Here is a very good look at the reality of how instead of wondering why more information has not survived of the Native ways of life, history, beliefs, and faiths, that there is actually more left than might be expected due to this:

One should be surprised, says J. Eric Thompson, not
that so little but rather that so much has survived of
the ancient religion.

. . . despite three centuries of cruel tyranny, cold-blooded
abuse, and heartless persecution by bodi die civil and reli-
gious audiorities . . . die atrocities committed on die na-
tives of Latin America during these diree centuries have
revealed die Christian civilization in no bright light. In Yu-
catin, only since die introduction o the semisocialist regime
has die Maya been treated as a human being radier than a
beast of burden. The Maya is no longer whipped for not
attending or being late for church. . . .

Our ruthless cold racist method of assimulating them, historically and right up until mere decades ago. Yes, the Maya are no olonger whipped for not attending or being late for Church!

to be con't

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 03:16 PM
I believe that there are a very large number of doomsday prophecies from different ancient sources. I see than many of these prophecies are similar in that the predict natural disasters. I see that many of them predict that the doomsday event will occur in the near futute, perhaps around 2012.

I don't why we should take any of them seriously. What reason do we have for believing them?

The fact that many prophecies are similar does not make them more right. The correctness of a prediction is completely independant of how many sources make that prediction. If a million people think the earth is flat, that does not effect the likelyhood of the earth being flat. If you were trying to argue that the earth is flat, saying that many different people from around the world believed that the earth is flat would not do anything to prove the flatness of the earth. The number of people who believe something is totally irrelevant. Listing many, many groups who believe that the world will end in the near future does not make the prediction more believable. When evaluating whether or not something is true, it is completely irrational to base your evaluation on the number of people who believe it.

Maybe if many trustworthy sources who had reputations of being accurate at a rate higher than chance in their prediction made this prediction, then we could believe them. We would then accept that they had some better than chance method for predicting the future, and therefore this prediction has better than chance odds of coming true. Instead, we have the opposite situation. Ancient prophecies are almost always wrong, they're not a good source of information and they have a record characterized almost entirely by failure. This would lead a reasonable person to believe that whatever their method for predicting the future, it was a really bad method.

The same can be said of the inumerable doomsday prophets. The people who have predicted the end of the world in the past have a terrible record. They've been right 0% of the time. This should lead a rational person to realize that people very often form the false belief that the world will soon end. Since whenever we come across this belief it is always wrong, maybe we shouldn't think that this time is any different, and we should dismiss it as another instance of the same nonsense that we've seen before.

We know that the best tools for predicting astonomical events are astronomy and physics. The ancients had very good astonomy. But, we have better astronomy. Our science doesn't predict anything catastrophic for 2012, and it's a better tool than the ancients used. Why should we choose to accept the ancient's prediction over our modern predictions when our modern method is demonstrably more accurate?

We have to assume that the ancients based their predictions on something real if we are to even entertain the idea at all. This real basis would have had to have been something that they observed. What are the observations that lead one to believe the doomsday prophecy? It seems like the best evidence that the believers have is that several prophecies are in agreement. This isn't evidence. If those prophecies were based on something real, we should be able to examine that same real thing and draw our own conclusions. Apparently, no such thing exists. The closest thing that might fit the criteria as a genuine observation of something in reality is the galactic alignment. However, we know that this alignment has no effect on anything, it is an arbitrary line that one can draw from earth, through the sun, to the center of the universe. There is no mechanism of action for such an alignment.

So, again, why take any ancient prediction seriously? I want to know why we should believe any one of them. Saying that there are a lot of them doesn't solve the problem. That just proves that you have a lot prophecies. That is only valuable if prophies are themselves valuable. Otherwise it is like having a lot of BS. How is a large number of similar prophecies any different from a large number of similar fictions? There are a large number of paintings of hell, with stories to go with them, from a long time ago. Are we believe then that - because there are a lot of these similar stories and paintings - hell actually looks like that?

If you are basing so much of your beliefs about the future on ancient prophecies, you must be able to justify the prophecies themselves. How can you justify them, given their methods and their track record?

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 03:17 PM

I am actually adding a little more in here, concerning native belief's/spirit/culture, because they are the keepers of the knowledge, very psi, and it is with great depth of beauty excerpts of poetry are recounted in this book above, comparable to the Asian writings of some of the translated songs, and my ex husband (half native) who think in profound simplicity yet strong metaphors, they are giants amongst the philosophers, artist/thinkers.
From such people, the message of the past we should pay attention to is doubly emphasized, and there is no "slant" or "hype" as it was put on the material:

I really recommend the book read above be read in its entirety, its almost worth laminating and taking into an underground shelter IF such times arrive when one feels they should prepare.

Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and
serve the Great Spirit; if there is but one religion, why
do you white people differ so much about it? Why do
not all agree, as you can all read the book?

Brother, we do not understand these things; we are told that your religion was given to your forefathers, and has been handed down from father to son. We also have a religion which was given to our forefathers, and has been handed down to us their children. We worship that way. It teacheth us to be thankful for all the favors we receive; to love each other, and to be united. We never quarrel about religion.

.....Brother, we do not wish to destroy your religion, or
take it from you; we only want to enjoy our own.


I am the Turquoise Woman's son.

On top of Belted Mountain

Beautiful horses slim like a weasel I

My horse has a hoof like striped agate;

His fetlock is like a fine eagle plume;

His legs are like quick lightning.

My horse's body is like an eagle-plumed arrow;

My horse has a tail like a trailing black cloud.

I put flexible goods on my horse's back;

The Little Holy Wind blows through his hair.

His mane is made of short rainbows.
My horse's ears are made of round corn.
My horse's eyes are made of big stars.
My horse's head is made of mixed waters
(From the holy waters he never knows thirst) .
My horse's teeth are made of white shell.
The long rainbow is in his mouth for a bridle,

And with it I guide him.

When my horse neighs, different-colored horses follow.
When my horse neighs, different-colored sheep follow.

I am wealthy, because of him.

Before me peaceful,
Behind me peaceful,
Under me peaceful,
Over me peaceful,
All around me peaceful-
Peaceful voice when he neighs.

I am Everlasting and Peaceful.
I stand for my horse.

I have read accounts by historians proclaiming love, and modern romantic love, love and appreciation of children, are all modern day concepts, so removed reality in their own minds and hearts they don't undertand anything. From the writings of those, equal, in a moneyless resource society that stretched beyond 10,000 years:



No matter how hard I try

to forget you,

you always

come bad to my mind,

and when you hear me singing

you may know

I am weeping for you.

...."Ah, ah, ahl What is the reason, child, that you
have done this to me? I have tried hard to treat you
well when you came to me to have me for your mother.
Look at all your toys. What is the reason that you de-
sert me, child? May it be that I did something, child,
to you in the way I treated you, child? I will try better
when you come back to me, child. Please, only become
at once well in the place to which you are going. As
soon as you are made well, please, come back to me,
child. Please, do not stay away there. Please, only have
mercy on me who is your mother, child," says she.

Then they put the child in the coffin, and they put
it up on a hemlock tree. That is the end.

And now the visions of the the aztecs forshadowing not only the demise of their culture, which occured, but also referencing a comet.

Let me not be angry that the grandeur of Mexico
is to be destroyed.

The smoking stars gather against it; the one who
cares for flowers is about to be destroyed.


He who cared for books wept, he wept for the be-
ginning ol the destruction.

From ibid., p. 123. The destruction o the Mexican state
was foreshadowed by a series of omens and prodigies which
took place during the ten years preceding the arrival of
Cortes. By the "smoking stars" is meant a comet that was
visible for about a year.

I've included this section, as an overview of the kind of people who have been deemed primitive. This implies greater grasp of poetry, spirituality, nature, philosphy, societal structure, than ours!!!!

Their carvings are something to seek and discover, as the records of the past are the more important than we can imagine.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
attributed to George Santayana.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 03:21 PM
reply to post by OnceReturned

What you choose to believe is up to you, this is being presented for a reason:

Actual record of lands and people, especially ones that correlate to SCIENTIFIC ICE CORE SAMPLES, and are depicted In carvings dating from the same times in similar high locations SURE CAUGHT MY EYE! I'd say nothing is more intelligent than any culture collecting all this information. Very foolish not too!

Maybe if many trustworthy sources who had reputations of being accurate at a rate higher than chance in their prediction made this prediction, then we could believe them

Between indigenous records and our media, I'll run with the ancients myself. The last 2 posts I made was a glimpse into their incredible mindset.

But as for the actual information, that is something that needs to be thought of, and I think out of the box.

For example, the historical writings from Greece, Egypt, etc, and that biblical record that like the book of Enoch was left out of the christian bible, all can be altered. The South American documents, some seem legitimate and some I got a feeling on.

Ie. if you read historical accounts of records, such as the Mayan ancient text being kept by a Jesuit, versus some of the more lay opinions of the priests given in the book I quoted above, who seemed to legitimately think that natives were influenced by the devil, who knows???

There is still so much info, so many carvings, and they still all mesh at around the same time ALL over the world, including China. In addition they mesh with ice core samples.
So (shrugs!), its still synchronized beyond haphazard, but interwoven strongly.

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 03:53 PM
Here's an example of what tracing real records, with ones I question, are....Yet the real records are overwhelming themselves, but its almost like theres somebody else pushing it in a direction that is to be questioned. I believe in the basic spiritual message but why the EAGLE, and whey the CONDOR? These would have to be born out by other sources because some of what I am going to quote looks to me almost SATURN in itself! The events in the past are recorded, both in writings, orally, ancient historians, and in earth's mantle itself! But I think of those Guidestones and know there is a reason for some of what is being mixed in. Which will become more apparent when I can get into the coding and some of the other motivations behind TPTB's behaviors and intentions:

Willaru Huarta grew up in the jungles of Peru, studying with the shamans. He says that his native Quechua Incan prophecies predicted the white man's coming would bring 500 years of materialism and imbalance. But now they say that era is coming to an end and the Age of Aquarius will "signal the return of Light to the planet and the dawn of a golden era. We live in a time of the fulfillment of prophecy." Now he tours the world teaching his simple message: "Humanity should cure itself and give help to the poor. Regenerate yourself with light, and then help those who have poverty of the soul. Return to the inner spirit, which we have abandoned while looking elsewhere for happiness."

The Q'ero: Another Peruvian group that are releasing prophecy, traveling to the industrialized nations to hold ceremonies and share their vision of the future.

The Prophecy of the Eagle and the Condor is told by many Native nations in the Western Hemisphere. The following is an elaboration from the Peace and Dignity Journeys Confederation of the Eagle and Condor Coordinating Council.

The Elders of this continent remember and talk about a prophecy that foretold how we will come together and reunite as one. We are like a body that was broken into pieces and this body will come back together to be whole again. They speak about this in the South, Center and North.

Our Elders tell us that we will unite and get our strength back like many arrows that will not be broken. They remember the history to keep the fire alive. We have to come together to be one, to have complete understanding. The main tool used was the arrow because our ancestors all over the continent were hunters. In time they added this arrow to a sacred bow. This bow is used all over this continent and is what we call the half moon. They knew we would be around and this bow would be again in the center, marking the direction that we should take. If we take a step we send this arrow to follow.

All of our people have to make a new design for our children and the future generations. They said it is written in the stars and we have to make this work so they can move the spiritual energy. This will begin a new time when we can take the Spirit in our own hands when the Eagle and Condor reunite.

Noting a slant on some of this information is actually a part of the title of my thread. The slant is based on the natures and credos of our leaders and the elite, and who their true "handlers" are.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:02 PM


By the Doctor Francisco de Avila, Presbyter (Cura of the parish of
San Damian in the said province of Huarachiri, and vicar of the three
above mentioned), from trustworthy persons who, with special diligence,
ascertained the whole truth, and that, before God enlightened them,
they lived in the said errors, and performed these ceremonies. It is an
agreeable subject and well worthy to be understood, that the great
blindness in which those souls walk, who have not the light of faith,
nor desire to admit it to their understandings, may be known.
At present nothing more is given than the narrative, but our
Lord will thus be well served if the said illustrious
Doctor, God sparing his life, would adorn it with
reflections and interesting notes.

In the year 1608.......


Of an eclipse of the Sun which is said to have taken place in ancient times.

 In all the stories and fables of these people I have never been able to make out which came first, or in what order they should be placed, for they are all very ancient traditions. They relate that, a long time ago, the sun disappeared and the world was dark for a space of five days; that the stones knocked one against the other; and that the mortars, which they call mutca, and the pestles called marop, rose against their masters, who were also attacked by their sheep, both those fastened in the houses and those in the fields. This p. 132may have been the eclipse which occurred when our Redeemer died; but I cannot clearly make this out, for when it was day in that hemisphere it was night here, so that here the eclipse would have taken place at night. The rest of the story consists of lies, for, as these people had no watches, how could they tell that the sun was absent for five days, seeing that we count days by the absence and presence of the sun?

Of a deluge which is said to have taken place; with a refutation of all the preceding fables.

 It is necessary to go back a step in this chapter, for this should be the third, and the preceding chapter the fourth. For what I have to mention here is a saying of the Indians which is more ancient than the eclipse. They relate that there was nearly an end to the world, which happened in the following way: An Indian was tethering his llama in a place where there was good pasture, and the animal resisted, showing sorrow and moaning after its manner, which it does by crying yu’ yu’. The master, who happened to be eating a choclo, observing this, threw the core (which they call coronta) at the llama, saying, "Fool, why do you moan and refrain from eating? Have I not put you where there is good pasture?" The llama thus replied: "Madman! what do you know, and what can you suppose? Learn that I am not sad without good cause; for within five days the sea will rise and cover the whole earth, destroying all there is upon it." The man, wondering that his llama should speak, answered it by asking whether there was any way by which they could save themselves. The llama then said that the man must follow it quickly to the summit of a high mountain p. 133 called Villca-coto, which is between this parish6 and San Geronimo de Surco, taking with him food for five days, and that he might thus be saved. The man did as he was told, carrying his load on his back and leading the llama, and he arrived on the summit of the mountain, where he found many different kinds of birds and animals assembled. Just as he and his llama reached the top the sea began to rise, and the water filled the valleys and covered the tops of the hills, except that of Villca-coto; but the animals were crowded together, for the water rose so high that some of them could hardly find foothold. Among these was a fox, whose tail was washed by the waves, which they say is the reason that the tips of foxes' tails are black. At the end of five days the waters began to abate, and the sea returned to its former bounds; but the whole earth was without inhabitants except that solitary man, from whom, they say, descend all the people who now exist. This is a notable absurdity, for they do not say that any woman was saved; and they make out that the man had intercourse with some devil; and, as the commentator of the books of the city of God (Lib. xv. cap. 23) says, they glory and rejoice, like some others of those times, at being the sons of a demon. The Egyptians denied that a man could have connection with a demon, though they affirmed that it was possible with a female demon; but the Greeks related stories of many men having been, with this object, beloved by the Devil, such as Hyacynto, Phæbus, Hypolito, all of whom the Devil loved.

This is really funny.
whereas above is an example of something perhaps contrived by mason types, this depicts the actual lack of understanding in the Priest, contemplating the stories of the Ancients, and their accounts of destruction which he considers absurd as they vary from the biblical forms.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:19 PM
Stunning picture of the ruins at Machu Picchu, built 10 000 feet above sea level.

This is almost a dead end for research on this myserious find of a lost city, though I know the information is buried in books, probably out of print and expensive. There is a reason for this city, also, the information is abundant to pointing to earth changes, in cycles, BUT, the information that has a certain new age slant is overwhelming, and the ones I think they wish to keep to themselves are a lot harder to find. No doubt this city is being horded by the elite!

[edit on 28-3-2010 by Unity_99]

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:50 PM
Fingerprints of the Gods/Graham Hancock

The people of South America tell myths of a Great Flood and the events surrounding it. The Ipurinas of northwestern Brazil retain one of the most elegant myths about the time of the disaster: "long ago the Earth was overwhelmed by a hot flood. This took place when the sun, a cauldron of boiling water, tipped over." Further south, the native people of Chile, the Araucanians, recount a traumatic memory: "The Flood was the result of a volcanic eruption accompanied by a violent earthquake, and whenever there is an earthquake the natives rush to the high mountains. They are afraid that after the earthquake the sea may again drown the world."

Like the Araucanians ...
The Inca were paralyzed by the fear that any change in the Sun foretold doom.

A 1555 Spanish chronicle spoke of this trepidation: " ... [when] there is an eclipse of the sun or the moon the Indians cry and groan in great perturbation, thinking that the time has come in which the earth will perish ... "

The famous Peruvian historian, Garcilasso de la Vega, son of a Spanish conquistador and an Inca princess, asked his Inca uncle to tell him the story of his people's origins. How had Lake Titicaca become the source of their civilization?

The uncle explained:

"... in recent times all this region which you see was covered with forests and thickets, and the people lived like brute beasts without religion nor government, nor towns, nor houses, without cultivating the land nor covering their bodies ... [the sun-god sent a son and daughter to] ... give them precepts and laws by which to live as reasonable and civilized men, and to teach them to dwell in houses and towns, to cultivate maize and other crops, to breed flocks, and to use the fruits of the earth as rational beings ... "

The "gods" who brought agriculture to the vicinity of Lake Titicaca were said to have come "out of the regions of the south" immediately "after the deluge." In other words, agriculture was introduced to Lake Titicaca by people who already possessed the skill, who whethered the cataclysm, and who may have arrived here from other lands, possibly the fabled Atlantis/Lemurian regions said to have been destroyed by the flood. ...

Four centuries later in 1911 an American historian and explorer, Hiram Bingham (1875-1956), discovered the haunting ruins of a lost Inca outpost cradled in the summit of a mountain called Machupicchu, he believed [at the time] that he had discovered the lost city of "Vilcabamba the Old," and recovered a number of skelatal remains, predominately female, which he later sent to Dr. George Eaton of Yale University.

The professor concluded that among the remains -

"there was not a single one of a robust male of the warrior type, there are a few effeminate males who might very well have been priests, but the large majority of the skeletons are female ..."

Why did the Inca retain a settlement of young women in the mountain retreat Machu Picchu?

For the Inca this hidden sanctuary may well have afforded him an inner earth enclave accessible from the city through a vast network of caverns, and tunnels, said to criss cross all of South America. If another deluge were unleashed a Sanctuary with hidden access to a secure realm might well repopulate a drowned world.


But Cai Cai is angry and shatters the earth, scattering islands all over the sea. The water climbs higher and higher, trying to flood the mountain peaks where Tren Tren lives. But Tren Tren manages to raise the mountain up toward the sky and the sun. Finally the evil serpent Cai Cai and the Pillars of Thunder, Wind, and Fire fall from the mountain peak into the deep pit below, where they are silenced.

The Araucanians of Chile, and reference to the 10 000 foot lost city. They have records of recorded floods where the waters rose very high, the mountainous region here are significant in size, heights of thousands of feet.

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 05:08 PM

This is good information about the Hopi's.

The true Pahana (or Bahana) is the "Lost White Brother" of the Hopi. Most versions have it that the Pahana or Elder Brother left for the east at the time that the Hopi entered the Fourth World and began their migrations. However, the Hopi say that he will return again and at his coming the wicked will be destroyed and a new age of peace, the Fifth World, will be ushered into the world. As mentioned above, it is said he will bring with him a missing section of a sacred Hopi stone in the possession of the Fire Clan, and that he will come wearing red. Traditionally, Hopis are buried facing eastward in expectation of the Pahana who will come from that direction.[33]

The legend of the Pahana seems intimately connected with the Aztec story of Quetzalcoatl, and other legends of Central America.[4] This similarity is furthered by the liberal representation of Awanyu, the horned or plumed serpent, in Hopi and other Puebloan art. This figure bears a striking resemblance to figures of Quetzacoatl, the feathered serpent, in Mexico. In the early 16th century, both the Hopis and the Aztecs believed that the coming of the Spanish conquistadors was the return of this lost white prophet. Unlike the Aztecs, upon first contact the Hopi put the Spanish through a series of tests in order to determine their divinity, and having failed, the Spanish were sent away from the Hopi mesas.[34]

Also there is information about the flood and their history, but this legend of their lost white brother who disappeared in the east after the last age ended, is fairly interesting.
They themselves survived the cycle's end. the HORNED serpent is similar to ancient depcitions of a large fiery red comet. As would be stories of seprents, dragons, cosmic snakes. Even in Asia, the undulating dragon.

The Fifth World is either the present world or the next world, in several Native American beliefs which center around a cyclical understanding of time. According to both Native American Hopi mythology and Maya mythology, the current world we inhabit is the "Fourth World." In both belief systems, time is cyclical, and the end of one world is the beginning of the next. For the Hopi, the end of the fourth world is marked by the arrival of Pahana, or the lost "White Brother." The Maya calendar charts out this progression through astrology, concluding that the current, fourth world will end sometime near the December solstice in 2012 (dates vary based on interpretation).

The Aztecs held similar beliefs, but they believed we are currently in the fifth world, and that it is the sixth world that is to arrive next.

The coming Fifth World (where our present World is presented as the Fourth) is said to arrive following a cycle in nature affecting our entire Solar System, where our Earth births an egg (Mystery Egg, Hidden Egg) and then moves "up" within our system to reach its crowning place. All of the Earth's life is then said to be "raised" to its perfected-eternal form. Some tribes refer to this period of change as "Purification Time." During this period of purification, time is said to change where we must choose between the natural Time we have now upon our Earth (meant for us) and an unnatural time structure which removes us from nature and our opportunity to reach the Fifth World. It is told that everyone will have to choose between the two time frames—one leading to the Fifth World with our Earth, and the other (which will be very alluring, deceiving many) which will remove us from our Earth, taking us to oblivion.

The arrival of the lost white brother is the beginning of the end of the cycle!

Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation to generation
through oral traditions and reference to ancient rock pictographs and tablets.

Hopi Blue Star or Blue Kachina Prophecy

An ancient Hopi Indian prophecy states, "When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge". This will be the Day of Purification. The Hopi name for the star Sirius is Blue Star Kachina. It will come when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask.

(Spirals, depicted on all the carvings, and the Norway Spiral was blue!)

The True White Brother will bring with him two great, intelligent and powerful helpers, one of whom will have a sign of a swastika (a masculine symbol of purity), and the sign of the sun. The second great helper will have the sign of a celtic cross with red lines (representing female life blood) between the arms of the cross.

When the Great Purification is near, these helpers will shake the earth first for a short time in preparation. After they shake the earth two times more, they will be joined by the True White Brother, who will become one with them and bring the Purification Day to the world. All three will help the "younger brother" (the Hopi and other pure-hearted people) to make a better world. In the prophecies, the two helpers are designated by the Hopi word for "population," as if they were large groups of people.

The Hopi were warned that if these three great beings failed, terrible evil would befall the world and great numbers of people would be killed. However, it was said that they would succeed if enough Hopi remained true to the ancient spirit of their people. The True White Brother and his helpers will show the people of earth a great new life plan that will lead to everlasting life. The earth will become new and beautiful again, with an abundance of life and food. Those who are saved will share everything equally. All races will intermarry and speak one tongue and be a family.

Hopi prophecy states that World War III will be started by the people who first received the Light -- China, Palestine, India and Africa. When the war comes, the United States will be destroyed by "gourds of ashes" which will fall to the ground, boiling the rivers and burning the earth, where no grass will grow for many years, and causing a disease that no medicine can cure. This can only mean nuclear or atomic bombs; no other weapon causes such effects. Bomb shelters will be useless, for "Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of Life. There is no shelter for evil. When the Saquahuh (blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask, the time of the great trial will be here." The Hopi believe that only they will be saved.

The Hopi also have prophesied that "Turtle Island could turn over two or three times and the oceans could join hands and meet the sky." This seems to be a prophecy of a "pole shift" -- a flipping, of the planet on its axis. The Hopi call this imminent condition -- and that of society today -- "Koyaanisqatsi", which means "world out of balance...a state of life that calls for another way. "

These kinds of prophecies from a group with long held history, is remarkable!

posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 05:11 PM

Hopi prophecy warns that nothing should be brought back from the Moon. If this were done, the Hopi warned, the balance of natural and universal laws and forces would be disturbed, resulting in earthquakes, severe changes in weather patterns, and social unrest. All these things are happening today, though of course not necessarily because of Moon rocks.

On August 7, 1970, a spectacular UFO sighting was witnessed by dozens of people and photographed by Chuck Roberts of the Prescott Courier. This occurred after a "UFO calling" by several Hopi Indians and was interpreted by some Hopis as being a partial fulfillment of a certain inscribed on Second Mesa, warning of the coming of Purification Day, when the true Hopi will be flown to other planets in "ships without wings."

The survivors of the Great Deluge thousands of years ago split up into four groups that moved in all four directions. Only one group completed their journey -- to the North Pole and back -- under the guidance of a brilliant "star" in which the Great Spirit Massau'u traveled. Upon landing, he drew a petroglyph on Second Mesa, showing a maiden riding in a wingless, dome-shaped craft. The petroglyph signified the coming Day of Purification when the true Hopi will fly to other planets in "ships without wings."

The Hopi also predicted that when the heart of the Hopi land trust is dug up, great disturbances will develop in the balance of nature, for the Hopi holy land is the microcosmic image of the entire planet; any violations of nature in the Four Corners region will be reflected and amplified all over the Earth.

Martin Gasheseoma said recently that Hopi "elders told us that when the plants blossom in the middle of winter, we would need to go to Santa Fe to warn everyone of suffering and destruction to come unless they change their ways. Last year, in the middle of winter the plants began to blossom."

How much suffering and destruction will accompany the time of the purification, and what will be its end result? Martin Gasheseoma foretells judgment in front of a big mirror and death to those who are evil and wicked, with only a handful of people surviving in every nation overseas who will then come to this continent, "which we call heaven."

"All the suffering going on in this country with the tornadoes, floods, and earthquakes is carried on the breath of Mother Earth because she is in pain," says Roberta Blackgoat, an elder of the Independent Dineh (Navajo) Nation at Big Mountain. She explains that the Four Corners area is particularly sacred because it literally holds Mother Earth's internal organs -- coal and uranium which the Bureau of Indian Affairs has allowed the Peabody Coal Mine to mine. "They are trying to take her precious guts out for money," says Blackgoat. "My grandfather told me that coal is like the liver, and uranium is both the heart and lungs of Mother Earth." Hopi and Navajo traditionalists are fighting the mining.

This is a very interesting quote, not only their predictions just before the end, but also, they are speaking of the suffering of our planet, and the abuses she has endured.

Lastly, and of great interest to me concerning what the saturn, dark star allignment TPTB have, the dark side in the duality, is this particlular statement:

"Hopi prophecy warns that nothing should be brought back from the Moon. If this were done, the Hopi warned, the balance of natural and universal laws and forces would be disturbed, resulting in earthquakes, severe changes in weather patterns, and social unrest."

Balance. Duality. Dark Star. Our Sun. All a part of it.

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