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Newborn denied health coverage over ‘pre-existing condition’

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posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:33 PM
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In Ontario Can, this child would be taken to Sick Kids hospital in Toronto PROMPTLY and given whatever surgery needed.
I feel so bad for the family...this is unacceptable.
A human life is only as good as the amount of coverage you can afford?
Seriously?




posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Sorry guys,they "forgot" to include coverage for pre-existing conditions in children in the bill!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But they assure you that they will fix that as soon as possible. Yep,you can believe everything Obama says,right?



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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It's not too rare. I was actually born with it and managed to get the necessary surgery within a week of being born and have had no problems getting health coverage since then. Even though when I was born the surgery was still fairly new and there were few people that could do it I haven't had many problems stemming from the condition. I have a regular check-up with my cardiologist every six months to a year. Other than that until this year I didn't really have to do anything else. There were some limits on what I could do physically, such as I shouldn't do sprints or contact sports, but those were fairly minor. Back in February I needed an angioplasty as a result of the original surgery, which is common for most people who have had the surgery when they hit 21 or 22. I had my follow-up for the angioplasty just this past Wednesday and now any physical limitations I have had have been lifted. So, the condition certainly doesn't prevent living a normal life as long as its treated early on. In some cases even a simple catherization and stent can be enough.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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No to worry, Obama is promising to make Medicare the biggest insurer in the US with the health care Reform.

So the poor, illegal immigrant and the elderly will not be left behind but it comes with a price, more taxes on Medicare and waiting lines.

Now because the time lapse that people with pre existing medical problems have private insurance still can deny treatments, Specially on children.

Under the nation’s health care reform plan, the nation’s Medicaid system will grow as one of the main organizations to implement the goal of expanded medical coverage

Public option anyone? at the expenses of the already burdened tax payer in the nation that will have to pay no only for their private insurance but for the support of the growing Medicare monster


But it appears that, from a financial standpoint, some states will be winners and some will be losers in this new arrangement.

Here's a look at why some states may stand to benefit. Later today, the Monitor will look at other states, which are complaining that it will cost their taxpayers a lot more money in the future.

(The fixes bill was passed by the Senate and the House Thursday and now goes to Mr. Obama to be signed into law.)

In 2014, the federal government will pick up 75 percent of the costs. By 2020, the fed’s share will grow to 93 percent.


The Obama version of Public Option and bigger and bloated Medicare.

www.csmonitor.com...



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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If this is true, and this is their position on this, then it opens the argument on when life begins and abortion.
A determination on condition can be made on a yet to be recognized individual?



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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That would never happen in the Uk, that baby would be cared for and put above profit.

Eveyone in the USA should have free medical care, regardless of condition or their wealth. If you get sick you get treated.





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posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:53 PM
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what this family can do should they decide to move to Canada. Is it possible that their baby's health can be take care of in your country and what would be the procedure to follow. I know similar things happened in UK. People flew to London as visitors and went straight to Hospital that they are sick. But those are the incidents that I heard about it when Ms.Clinton was working on Health reform bill.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied

A human life is only as good as the amount of coverage you can afford?
Seriously?


Yup, even more so now under Obama Care.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
But, but, but... Healthcare reform!?!?!?!?!? I thought his majesty Obama fixed all of that! What happened?

O wait... that's right... None of the provisions kick in for another 4 years, after his highness' bid for re-election. I wonder why that is? If this BIll is great, will save so much money and so many lives, and we HAD to pass it right away, then why the long wait for it to go into effect? That alone should alert everyone to the fact that this bill is inherently flawed!

Oh, and they forgot to write in provisions to protect children anyway.


Obama has only put in place what the rest of the civilized world already enjoys - is America that pathetic that they cant even keep up with the rest of the civilised planet ? How pathetic can a country get if they cant even supply their citizens with health - incredible.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by hthjason



However...Revenue Canada will hold your return for non payment of your health insurance and the health insurance act WILL take your wages if you don't pay them, but you wont be denied coverage. Read the fine print, I was in this situation when I was 18, and just by being covered you agree to a whole bunch. Now, the upside is you will always be covered, but you better make sure you stay current with the health insurance payments... +/- 40$ a month...depending on income in many areas.



What on earth are you talking about? I don't pay any kind of "insurance" for health care and I don't know anybody who does. I think your confusing this with the income taxes we pay and yes, Revenue Canada will garnish your wages if you don't pay your income taxes!

By the way, these insurance companies are heartless bastards and I hope the person who decided to deny this newborn coverage recieves a good dose of karma for his efforts.

[edit on 3/27/2010 by Hatcookie]



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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You guys are conveniently forgetting that there are a ton of childrens' hospitals that this baby can get this procedure done pretty much without cost to the parents. Have any of you heard of St. Jude's? That's the only one I can name off the top of my head but I know there are a TON of them out there. How? My nephew was born with a heart condition and his mother, my sister, had crap insurance that tried this. Nephew was fine. And no they didn't have to go across the country to find a hospital to do it at no cost to the parents.

Yes, yes I know you'll say 'but that's socialism' Um no its not because there's a huge difference between CHOOSING to donate and being forced to pay for something.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:22 PM
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There's also Children's Hospital. That's where my original procedure was done, where I go to have my annual check-up, and where I had my angioplasty. They pretty much said that no matter how old I get I can still go to them for any check-ups and procedures I may ever need.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa


Is this the situation that the "for profit" medical industry has brought us to?

I don't know what the solution is



I do, higher taxes. You lucky punks pay what...3-4% tax. Ever wonder why? Because that covers nothing.

Look at Canada, they pay 13% tax on items, why? A percentage goes to the Fed (as usual) and a percentage goes to HEALTH CARE!

So that's why, you can get hit by a bus in Canada and the next week you're as good as new for the cost of almost nothing, depending on your plan.

[edit on 27-3-2010 by Tomis_Nexis]



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by blackthorne
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this is the republican ideal! profit over all! the libs wanted a public option or single payer. but nooooo, profit must come first. do not try and pin this on obama. the repubs had 8 years in charge and did nothing!


Blah, Blah, blah! Why shouldn't I blame it on Obama? He had his super majority, not one single republican went for it and it still passed. They could have had ANY bill they wanted. But nope, this is the one they put together - without any Republican input. So, YES, this is ENTIRELY on Obama!

OH, and your blaming it on Republicans is so... so... typical!



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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The 'childrens hospital" thing is beside the point. Just because there's some sort of entity that 'could' take up the slack doesn't let the insurance company off the hook.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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It depends on what state in the US you live in. I pay 6% sales tax. Some states it's 8%, some less! When you lump in all our taxes it's in the 33% range. With this HCR our all inclusive tax rate will be in the 46% range. If you look at all the states that are raising taxes because the revenue is slowed due to Unemployment it might end up higher!

Zindo
@ Kozmo

Stop using logic. It gets lost on the masses!
besides it ALWAYS Bushes fault!!

[edit on 3/27/2010 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by audas
Obama has only put in place what the rest of the civilized world already enjoys - is America that pathetic that they cant even keep up with the rest of the civilised planet ? How pathetic can a country get if they cant even supply their citizens with health - incredible.


Yeah, we're soooooooooooooooooooooo pathetic! We can't even keep up with the rest of the "civilized" world - at all!


Last time I checked I was the one responsible for my health, not the government. Also, the last time I checked I was responsible for wiping my own ass! Are they going to provide services for that next?



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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I was actually born with this same heart condition and they denied me coverage, they were going to have to perform the Mustard procedure, which would require me to recieve a new heart by age 12 and my life expectancy would be in ny early 30's this was all my parents and family could afford mind you this was back in 1988, they came out with a new procedure, called tje arterial switch, which would involve me getting an artificial or a , sheep valve, the insurance company who denied my coverage then went bankrupt, another company jumped in and covered the surgery, at full cost, but this healthcare system, reformed or not is from the devil, any questions don't be afraid to ask



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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Just wondering, since you got the Switch the same year as me, has there been any talk of catherization? I know my cardiologist said that it's fairly common for people once people get around 20 years of age.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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I am truly glad for you nexus, I really am!
I seriously doubt you're going to find too many people that disagree with the concept of "Healthcare Reform". We ALL know it needs some fixin'! BUT... what we got wans't a "Fix" in the sense of "Repair" it was a "Fix" in the sense of a rigged game!

Here's to you in good health!



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