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Marine Top Gen: Gays would get their own room!!

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CX

posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by Whine Flu

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Strewth, pretty soon you will need to be queer to even get into the US military.

The US marines needs "a few good men", will turn into:

The US marines needs "a few cute pansies".


I'll have a beer or 24 t' that! I ain't havin' no sissy boy queer in mah military. I'm a gurrddamn patriot!


IMO, the above comments show a blatant ignorance that the general homophobic has.

I'll put my hands up and say that i was the same when i was in my first couple of years of the forces. Then i became mates with a bodybuilder, a fellow soldier at the gym where i trained. I boxed against him, trained with him, and even had to attend incidents in my job where he had been over enthusiatic on the doors when giving a soldier a kicking.

By the time i found out he was gay, were too good a friend for me to bother about it. After that though, we had quite lengthy chats about it, and he used to mention other soldiers in the garrison that were gay too.

I'll tell you now, not one of the soldiers he told me were gay would i not have gone into combat with. They were some of the best infantry soldiers that i have ever seen, it made not a blind bit of difference that they were gay. They didn't advertise it, or bother straiight soldiers with it.

There was never a need for single rooms though, despite the fact that i think soldiers should get their own room anyway but thats a different issue.

So if theres a problem with it, the problem is usualy YOURS!

Deal with it. People that try the macho BS because they are straight, often have less balls than those that like guys anyway!

CX.

[edit on 27/3/10 by CX]




posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

So, WHY is homosexuality a problem in the fekking Corps?
— Doc Velocity



Simple old chap.

Most warriors would rather have real men around them, watching their backs in battle.

People that can trusted and whose courage and honor can be depended upon when the bullets start flying, and the bleeding starts..

A nancy boy homosexual, is just a weak moral degenerate with no character.



There are already gay people in the military, im sure many soldiers put their lives in the hands of a fellow soldier who happens to be gay all the time. Anyway i think this should be an internal matter, im sure people in the military know what's best for the military.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:45 AM
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I was actually just portraying the typical American meathead with my post and I thought it was rather obvious that I meant it in jest. Neither homosexuals nor heterosexuals need to be in the military, because in a perfect world there would be no need for a military.

Though, seeing as this place is far from perfect, I guess military force is a necessary evil and I don't see why sexual orientation should really play a role in whether a person can be in the military or not. Then again, I think it's probably safer that they're not in the military. I don't think they'd end up getting welcomed warmly by their squad mates.

Edit: Well, the new recruits, anyway.


[edit on 27-3-2010 by Whine Flu]



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 07:55 AM
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The only real issue I see with lifting the don't ask don't tell policy is marriage. Heteoro marriaes are often arranged by military members for more pay and the benefits for their spouse. I know of many jr enlisted who have married a friend not a lover for the extra pay. If gay marriage is allowed then this problem could be skyrocket.

There are plenty of gays in the military, in my observations lesbians have no problem being openly gay and serving while a gay man(depending on his MOS) has to be a bit more careful. When I was enlisted in the Navy there were a few rates that were known to be more gay friendly. Don't ask don't tell is a strange policy and I do think we are ready for it to be repealed, my concern is the marriage issue and I am certain it will lead to more contract marriages.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

So, WHY is homosexuality a problem in the fekking Corps?
— Doc Velocity



Simple old chap.

Most warriors would rather have real men around them, watching their backs in battle.

People that can trusted and whose courage and honor can be depended upon when the bullets start flying, and the bleeding starts..

A nancy boy homosexual, is just a weak moral degenerate with no character.



Wow, ignorant much?

I'm usually not one to attack another member for his viewpoint, but what you've written is truly shocking.

You think that based on sexual orientation, homosexuals are less capable than regular folk?

I've met quite a few homos who would make some of those Marines look like "nancy" boys.

Take your bigotted stance elsewhere. ATS is clearly not the place for you.

~Keeper

[edit on 3/27/2010 by tothetenthpower]



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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Skip making the Homosexuals sleep elsewhere, that isn't necessary and they aren't the real issue.

What are they going to do about the actual threat to people serving in the military and those around them? The one that they seem keen on underplaying?

The rapists.

Deal with them and what they do before moving onto something as trivial as this.

- Lee



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow
The all queers military football team dressed in pink, against the all macho Special Forces team.
Should be an interesting game.


Yeah, it would. Because I know a lot of "nancy boy queers" who would kick their ass.


And yours too.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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I thought the whole point of separating men and women soldiers was to prevent, as best as possible, co-mingling?

Wouldn't putting all gay men in one room and all gay women in one room be encouraging co-mingling?

I'm not really sure of the "right" solution, but this to me does not seem to be it.

Further, why does one *have* to announce they are gay? I believe that don't ask, don't tell should be repealed, however, this goes a little too far in my opinion.

In today's day and age, wouldn't a more appropriate policy simply be:

Don't ask and don't tell if you don't want to?

It seems to me, as in the fight against racism, that things are once again going too far. "Acceptance" of gays in the military should not equate to a symbolic "scarlet A" by segregating them to their own quarters.

I do not read much about gays raping heterosexuals, so I can't imagine they would have to be separated for safety reasons.

Further, wouldn't a blanket policy of "no sexual intercourse or acts of intimacy between soldiers" encompass everyone?



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Still would not want to join the military if they openly accepted it.

the amount of bullying must be horrendous for gays in there, far worse than even in society



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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I will say the same thing that I always say to homophobes who are worried about being attacked by gay men:

you are awfully full of yourself if you think you are so dang good looking that your going to be attacked by gay men.

As for allowing gay men in the military, what a bunch of bigots who think it is going to have any affect.

There is a exponential increase of men attacking men in the military then men attacking women, population differences considered.

It is not the gay men you should be worried about.

Just like jail. When you don't have many options, you go gay for the stay as it goes in jail.

To assume nancy boys(your showing your age btw) are going to bring the military down. Gay men and women are going to have to make it through the same boot camp and training.

IF their intentions are to redign curtains, then they join a design school, not the military.

There are plenty of bi-sexual adn gay males that you have no idea that are gay. ANd you probably won't be able to tell in the military either.

Trust me, I had a friend who works the night shift at a porn shop. A lot more men rent gay porn then you could ever imagine.

That is why I say everyone is bisexual to a degree.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with your ability in combat, or to defend your fellow man.

If you want to make silly arguements to justify your phobia, I can do that in opposition.

Wouldnt' you rather have someone defending you who loves you? they are more likely to self sacrifice.

Women have far better aim then men. So a feminized male should be a better shot.

Many women love gay males. So this will bring more females to hang around.






posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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You will find that females also are out there too trying to wreck lifes of gay men.

Why the world does not accept that.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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I wonder if they are going to look at the UCMJ as part of that change as well. You see a person can be gay and in the military, but it is the acts that is where they get into trouble. They are going to have to change the UCMJ to where such acts are no longer forbidden under that code. In a firefight, or as part of a unit, it does not matter if what a person is, as long as they can do the job to which they are assigned to do. If they can not do the job, then that is where it causes problems.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
I will say the same thing that I always say to homophobes who are worried about being attacked by gay men:

you are awfully full of yourself if you think you are so dang good looking that your going to be attacked by gay men.


This has nothing to do with the issue, people who need to talk about straight or gay rapist is off topic. It is a privacy issue in you would be force to sleep/shower/crap right next to a person who is sexually attracted to your kind. If you are a women would you have an issue of walking into a shower tent undressing and jumping into an open shower with five guys in there too doing the same thing? We are not just talking about people working together it will get right down to a very personal level of living.



There are plenty of bi-sexual adn gay males that you have no idea that are gay. ANd you probably won't be able to tell in the military either.

Trust me, I had a friend who works the night shift at a porn shop. A lot more men rent gay porn then you could ever imagine.

That is why I say everyone is bisexual to a degree.


Well maybe those who regularly visit porn shops are, but most heterosexual males find the gay male sexual behavior rather distasteful to say the least.

[edit on 27-3-2010 by Xtrozero]



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero
This has nothing to do with the issue, people who need to talk about straight or gay rapist is off topic. It is a privacy issue in you would be force to sleep/shower/crap right next to a person who is sexually attracted to your kind. If you are a women would you have an issue of walking into a shower tent undressing and jumping into an open shower with five guys in there too doing the same thing? We are not just talking about people working together it will get right down to a very personal level of living.


If you have been in the millitary, you have already eaten/slept/crapped next to a gay person. So, not firing them because they get outed wouldn't change anything.

I think the whole problem stems from men know that men are dogs. They know they couldn't help themselves from at least mentally raping a woman if they had to shower co-ed, so they automatically think homosexuals will be the same way. Men are men and they are dogs.

And the heteros know this and don't want to be looked at the same way they look at women.



posted on Mar, 27 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
You think that based on sexual orientation, homosexuals are less capable than regular folk?


Well, you ask the question.

I never said queers and fairies were less technically capable than straight people.

Just morally degenerate.
And that is a fact.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 07:31 AM
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Why do you have to call them queers and fairies? They're people, y'know.

Oh well, just make sure you don't have salad with your manly piece of steak. We might have to suspect that you're a wooly woofter. Cheers, Pete.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by SourGrapes
If a person's sexual orientation "has nothing to do with...", then why the hell are they making this an ISSUE?


Straight people in the military made it an issue, by segregating and then dismissing and disallowing people based on their sexual orientation.

History of Don't Ask, Don't Tell



In 1942, revised army mobilization regulations included for the first time a paragraph defining both the homosexual and "normal" person and clarifying procedures for rejecting gay draftees.
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As the need for recruits diminished near the war's end, anti-homosexual policies were enforced with increasing vigilance, and many gay men and lesbians were discharged involuntarily.
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In 1981, the DOD formulated a new policy which stated unequivocally that homosexuality is incompatible with military service


Gay people didn't make this an issue. Straight people did.


As far as the OP, gay people have been bunking with straight people all along. It shows the weakness of the straight military man, who is now "uncomfortable" with a gay man in the next bunk, just because he is now aware that his bunk-neighbor is gay.



[edit on 3/28/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by Nutter

If you have been in the millitary, you have already eaten/slept/crapped next to a gay person. So, not firing them because they get outed wouldn't change anything.


Well yes in my 28 years in the military I have works with gays, and it is not against military policy to be gay, but what is against military policy is openly announcing you are gay and the whole behavioral side. So what we are actually talking about is to allow openly gay behaviors/relations etc.



I think the whole problem stems from men know that men are dogs. They know they couldn't help themselves from at least mentally raping a woman if they had to shower co-ed, so they automatically think homosexuals will be the same way. Men are men and they are dogs.


lol ok.... I guess you don't like men do you....hehe. But there you go once again with the whole "rape" thing. BTW I have know some rather evil minded women in my day....

Though being a man I would need to disagree with your statement, but humans will be human and I'm talking about both sexes.



And the heteros know this and don't want to be looked at the same way they look at women.


Would it surprise you to know that the vast majority of men would not want to be forced into the situation where they would need to do all their personal business around a bunch of females too?

[edit on 28-3-2010 by Xtrozero]



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
You think that based on sexual orientation, homosexuals are less capable than regular folk?


Well, you ask the question.

I never said queers and fairies were less technically capable than straight people.

Just morally degenerate.
And that is a fact.


Where did you get your fact?

Is there a study you could link me to, or some scientific research? Or are you just so blinded by your religious beliefs that you've ignorantly made a blanket statement about people you don't even know?

I bet you there are more morally degenerate folk in the army who are straight, then the homosexuals my friend. Those who join just so they can shoot "brown" people and the like.

Actually come to think of it, you are morally degenerate if you believe that you can just add a label to a group of people based on YOUR opinion or beliefs.

~Keeper

[edit on 3/28/2010 by tothetenthpower]



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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Most people who see no problem with a sexual preference like being “openly gay” have no clue as how we live in the Marines. We’re politically correct, we train in peace time for female issues like sexual harassment, race issues and just having a sexual difference doesn’t make sense in military life. I can see it now –ok females over here males over here and gays over here for billeting.
Do we let males live with females? No. We don’t even train males with females unlike the other services in boot camp. Do we let gay lovers live together, do we have to ask who type of gay person they are to determine how to let them live to keep order and discipline?
In boot camp when it is found out that a guy says he is gay, he is separated for his own safety. It is just unnatural in these environments so they are met with some anger. I’m not being hateful because that’s just the way it is.
But if you were just a guy or girl at home and heard that gays want to serve and you have never been here to know what goes on you might think it was ok for gays to be open and serve. But it’s just ignorance for the lifestyle, Marines and gays.
It doesn’t make a better Marines Corps. If you want gay tolerance and the freedom to do so in a free America leave the guys who guard the gates alone.



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