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Cuba Readies for U.S. Tourists With Luxury Hotels

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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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Been there once to refuel the boat while fishing off the FL Keys. It is a beautiful Country with lovely, friendly people. I have tons of Canadian friends who vacation there and they love it. I would have loved to spend more then the few hours I got to spend there.




posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
I would definetely visit Cuba. It is a beautiful country, beautiful beaches, white sand, wonderful historic buildings, generally a happy, freindly and welcoming populace(which you don't hear about). But these luxury hotels, they are going to ruin alot of that.


Tell you what... If you think Cuba is so wonderful next time you go, go to a crowded area, and better if there are police officers around, and yell out ABAJO EL COMMUNISMO!!!! (down with communism) repeat it a couple of times and see what happens next...even to you, a tourist... Just try it please...
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 05:02 AM
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and btw, when the police approach you and ask you what were you yelling just try to explain to them that you were just telling out loud your opinion about communism, even if it is not true and you love communism. Do this as a test even if you are an ardent communist, and then tell us how wonderfully you were treated. You don't even have to be violent in any way, or yell for hours on end, or anything like that, just do it enough times to get the attention of at least a police officer.

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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
What makes you think the U.S. lifting the embargo is going to change everything now?...

Not real busy studying economics, are you?



posted on Mar, 26 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Not real busy studying economics, are you?


My family and I have been real busy studying how your country's business with my island has done nothing to help my family and my people... Meanwhile your country buys things from us at penny on the dollar, YOUR country sells them really expensive such as Cuban cigars...

Like other foreigners like you, who to regular Cubans are rich people because you have more, including freedom, than most Cubans have, you get to enjoy everything that regular Cubans CAN'T ENJOY... Have you seen a regular Cuban stroll through the beaches reservevd for tourists?...that is except the underage prostitutes/jineteras or the waiters?...

If you go to one of those wonderful hospitals you claim "only exist in Cuba", ask the Cubans you find there what group do they belong to, because ALL of them are part of the elite Cuban regime, or are foreigners who get to enjoy what regular Cubans can't from the hospitals that are only reserved for tourists like you...

You only read and believe the lies that are set up for foreigneris like you, meanwhile millions of other Cubans as I have lived the horror foreigneirs like you claim is "paradise"...


Please don't tell me that you...a Canadian knows better than Cubans what happens there, because you are only deceiving yourself and those people who like you prefer to believe a socialist/communist dictatorship over millions of Cubans who actually experienced the disease people like you claim 'is not so bad"...

So you go ahead and keep enjoying Cuba at the expense of Cubans...

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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Nonsense...respect the laws, as one must do anywhere, and you'll have a good vacation there. The resorts are wonderful...many built in partnership with Spanish hotel firms, prices are great. I'd go back in a heartbeat.
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Then you better not take any pictures of the REAL Cuba then...


The arrest of two Czech women puts further strain on Czech-Cuban relations

Relations between the Czech Republic and Cuba have been strained for some time, after a number of diplomatic spats. Tensions between the two states have risen further since the arrest last week of two Czech women - including former Miss Czech Republic Helena Houdova - while they were taking photographs of a slum area.

The two Czech women were detained by police as they were taking photographs of a poverty ridden district in Havana. "There was a lot of shouting as we were dragged off - and one of the officers shouted that we were terrorists", Helena Houdova said later. She and her psychologist friend Mariana Kroftova made the trip to Havana to ascertain how children on the island could benefit from their charity work. Mariana Kroftova says she thought the eleven hours they spent in detention would never end:

"They took us to a police station where nobody spoke to us or properly explained what was going on. We were just able to make out that we were accused of engaging in counter-revolutionary activities against the Cuban regime. What was worse they refused to let us call the Czech embassy. So we spent the 11 hours without knowing what our fate would be."

The two women were eventually released at 3am after pledging in writing that they would not engage in any counter-revolutionary activities in Cuba. Both remained under house arrest until leaving the country. The Czech Foreign Ministry has described their treatment as a flagrant violation of international law. Richard Krpac is from the ministry's press department:

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs considers this act - refusing Czech citizens contact with the embassy - a grave violation of one of the basic and most important human rights for citizens abroad - which is the right to consular access."

The Cuba charge d'affaires was summoned to the Foreign Ministry on Wednesday to explain the incident. Richard Krpac says the ministry is not happy with the outcome of the meeting:

"The charge d'affaires of the Cuban embassy in Prague was called in yesterday to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to explain the treatment of the two Czech citizens by the Cuban authorities. However -citing a lack of information from Havana on this issue - the charge d' affaires was unable to explain it. She promised to do so in the near future."
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And let's not forget this part...


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Asked why the women were arrested the charge d'affaires said it was because they had "deliberately waged a campaign against Cuba in cooperation with Cuban dissidents". This is a standard line used in connection with many Czechs who visit the island. Many are refused entry on the suspicion that they plan to meet with Cuban dissidents. Two Czechs -a member of Parliament and an NGO worker who did - spent 3 weeks in a Cuban jail in 2001.
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www.radio.cz...


Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

You sound like you're talking about North Korea. Better visit Cuba so you'll have a clue.


Please don't tell people that they don't have a clue when it is you, and others like you who don't have a clue...

Cuba is like North Korea... You think Cubans are not going hungry because there are tourists there, or because your country Canada, and some others are making business with the Cuban dictatorship?...

You try eating nothing but "agua con azucar", "water with sugar", while other times people eat a piece of some really bad bread with sugar, and tell us you are not hungry...

In Cuba you eat what you can find, and many times there isn't much to eat at all.

There is no freedom of speech in Cuba at all. People are FORCED to serve, and claim they love the communist dictatorship.

BTW, did you know that in Cuba the regime frees criminals who agree to snitch on other Cubans?... they don't release political prisoners, or at least try their very best not to free political prisoners, but if you are a criminal you can be released if you accept to work as a snitch for the regime...

I want to see what YOUR country Canada is doing to help Cubans... YOUR country has businesses with Cuba, so what is YOUR country doing to help the Cuban people?... Oh yeah, I forgot, buying things really cheap to sell them expensive, and allowing Canadians to travel to Cuba to enjoy what regular Cubans can't... real nice...


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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I find it ironic how some people try to portray what has been happening in Cuba as "not so bad" when all these people have experienced are the areas reserved for tourists in Cuba...they ate in their hotels, or in restaurants which are only for tourists, or for the elite, and for the sons and daughters of the elite of the regime in Cuba... They went to hospitals "reserved for tourists and the elite in the Cuban regime only", yet these members have the galls to claim because of this "things aren't so bad in Cuba?"

I am 100% certain that Johncannuk, or the other tourists who went to Cuba and wrote in this thread, have not spent even one day eating in the household of a regular Cuban, yet they claim they know what it is like in Cuba?...

I am SURE 100% that NONE of these members who posted about "how good it is in Cuba" EVER had even the galls to talk about "freedom" in those places they visited...

I am sure 100% that NONE of you have spent even one day in a Cuban prison for trying to "bring freedom" to Cubans.. yet you want to claim "it isn't so bad there"?...

These members/people want to claim that because they are tourists who enjoyed Cuba that this means that it isn't so bad there... How in the world can anyone in their right mind claim that?

Apart from no freedom of expression of any kind allowed in Cuba under the repressive socialist/communist regime, there is also much hunger going on.

There are certain foods in Cuba which are illegal to sell outside of hotels, and restaurants, which are for tourists, some of that food includes lobster, shrimp, and beef. Other foods such as milk is not allowed to be sold to families with children of 7 years or older.

If a Cuban, or a family of Cubans is caught with beef in their refrigerator, or if they are selling it, it gets confiscated and the person who owns it gets sent to jail.

answers.yahoo.com...

People in Cuba sell, and buy, when they can, in the black market FOOD to survive. But many times people have gotten sick because there are some criminals in Cuba, without any semblance of a soul who have sold for example, powdered milk mixed with plaster, "frasada"(the old cloth mops) served as "carne ripiada"/ a type of meat served long and thin, from which several Cubans had to be hospitalized for eating this, not to mention that pizza has been made with melted plastic bags as if it was cheese...

These things and others happen in Cuba where the tourist members claim "it is not so bad"...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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BTW DG, want to translate what this Cuban woman is saying about Cuba, and what tourists think about Cuba?



And this video is from the 90s, things now are even worse.

There are even schools in Cuba where teachers are selling sex with minors to tourists... That's how things are in Cuba...

The following is a documentary done by reporters from Spain about the minor prostitution which even occurs in various schools in Cuba. The reporters found this happening in Havana, in Santiago de Cuba, as well as other places in Cuba that they visited.



The second part is even worse, unfortunately in Spain, just as in the rest of Europe, nudity is not seen as something bad, but in this case these girls are all MINORS, so I am not posting the second part and decided not to watch the third, but this is part of the truth about Cuba.

Here is a documentary filmed by Claudia Nai, who went to Cuba to film about the island thinking at first that she was going to debunk the fact told by over a million Cubans living abroad that life in Cuba is terrible, but she changed her mind when she actually saw the truth, not to mention the fact that she was detained several times, as was stopped from filming in several occasions for filming in a country that socialists and communists wolrdwide claim where "socialism has proven that it works"...

The videos are unfortunately only in spanish.












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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Not real busy studying economics, are you?


My family and I have been real busy studying how your country's business with my island has done nothing to help my family and my people... Meanwhile your country buys things from us at penny on the dollar, YOUR country sells them really expensive such as Cuban cigars...

Didn't answer my question about the embargo, did you?
Also, yes, I have seen everyday Cubans enjoying the beaches along with the tourists. And incidentally? In my two visits, I never saw anyone that I would identify as a prostitute.

You know, I have East German relatives who bemoaned their lack of freedoms...and who also suffered from bad times as well. They were quite surprised at what the West did NOT provide in terms of social safety nets, or streets made of gold. I'm not going to argue with you about conditions in Cuba, and I'm pretty sure I can find equivalent situations in parts of Canada and the US. What I will say, though, is that you ARE predisposed to dismiss anything positive said about Cuba, and I'm not gonna play.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
[Didn't answer my question about the embargo, did you?


I didn't?... I thought it was pretty clear... If your country which has been doing business with Cuba for a long time has not helped Cubans, why would the U.S. stopping the blockade help Cubans?...


Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Also, yes, I have seen everyday Cubans enjoying the beaches along with the tourists.
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And i call it BS...sorry but you are wrong...regular Cubans CAN'T go to the beaches for tourists... Even in one of the videos I gave several Cubans, in the island, say exactly what I just explained... They are not allowed to go to the beaches for tourists... The only Cubans there are the elites from the CDR, and police officers making sure NO REGULAR CUBAN can go into these beaches... That is unless they work for the tourist industry and are serving some tourist...

Oh and BTW, just because you hear people speaking in spanish, it doesn't mean they are Cubans, in case you didn't know... There are MANY tourists from countries in latin America, most who speak spanish, who go to Cuba as any other tourist...



Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
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And incidentally? In my two visits, I never saw anyone that I would identify as a prostitute.


Wow... now I know you didn't do much walking in el Malecon... Either that or you didn't understand one word in spanish from the women trying to pick you up in el Malecon.

BTW, just out of curiosity...what do you think a Cuban jinetera looks like?...




Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You know, I have East German relatives who bemoaned their lack of freedoms...


For crying out loud...



Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
What I will say, though, is that you ARE predisposed to dismiss anything positive said about Cuba, and I'm not gonna play.


Of course you would say that, you are a tourist who only has good things to say about Cuba, and as ALWAYS you are predisposed to dismiss EVERYTHING negative said about Cuba, even when it is the truth...


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Of course you would say that, you are a tourist who only has good things to say about Cuba, and as ALWAYS you are predisposed to dismiss EVERYTHING negative said about Cuba, even when it is the truth...

Some folks just see the world through #-coloured glasses. I don't, so obviously we can't converse.
So I won't.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Some folks just see the world through #-coloured glasses. I don't, so obviously we can't converse.
So I won't.


Sorry mate but I am not the one using "all the sky is pink-colored glasses"... I am telling the REALITY of Cuba... to you, a tourist, what I a Cuban know about Cuba might not sound as true, because you were sheltered by the Cuban police, and were allowed access only to the tourist areas in Cuba, which arepainted from outside, even thou if you went inside buildings other than your hotel and restaurant, your "all the sky is pink-colored glasses' might fall... I am saying "might" because what I have seen you ALWAYS post is to try to justify everything the socialist/communist dictatorship in Cuba does, in EVERY thread, when you have no idea what it is like, because you are not Cuban...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Something you have understand about communist philosophy is that if it doesn't further communism it isn't true. No matter how much evidence you present or what experience you bring to the table, no matter what you say, the commies are always right.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Something you have understand about communist philosophy is that if it doesn't further communism it isn't true. No matter how much evidence you present or what experience you bring to the table, no matter what you say, the commies are always right.


You and I, both Cubans, understand this, but people who have never experienced or seen the reality of communism will forever do what you just said they will continue doing.

This was the same thing that Helena Houdova said, the Czech model who went to visit Cuba to see if a friend and her could help Cuban children, and were detained for just taking photos of part of real life in Cuba, a socialist/communist dictatorship.

Czech people also experienced communism, and they have not been brainwashed by a new socialist/communist regime. Helena knew that she was in the right to fear the Cuban regime because she also lived through communism.

And then people in the left don't understand why we see them as "being too close to socialism/communism" for comfort. This is exactly why we don't trust you, because none of you have experienced what we and millions of others have under leftist dictatorships, and because you always side with leftist dictators nomatter how much evidence of their evils are shown to you.

I also find it very telling and ironic how people in the left claim that "they are fighting for the people"... but when the people are being oppressed by the regimes they claim are wonderful and will bring equality, and freedom for all, they turn their backs on the people, no matter how many millions of us exist and prefer to trust leftist dictators instead.

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posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by silo13
Honestly - I'd love to see this place I've visited so many times via the news, movies, etc.
Now (finally) to have a chance to see it 'for real' (or at least tourist 'for real')...

But, by taking money into a area where the human rights violations should make me want to run in the other direction?

So, my question: Would you go to Cuba?

Would (visiting Cuba) be, in effect, supporting the atrocities against the people of Cuba?

Or - Would it be helping the people?

peace


www.bloomberg.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

EDIT TO ADD: Sorry for the emote in the original article. Let me see if I can fix it - add a space or something so it doesn't read as an emote.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by silo13]


No, Americans who travel to Communist countries should have their Citizenship shredded. Heck we shouldn't even be trading with China.




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