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Secession, our last viable solution to the Fascist/Socialist State?

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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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Not arguing the paradigm, trying to show it to those that cannot see.

As for the skim through your block passage, yes I have said he was the last to try and thwart there control. The EO with the silver certificates was the tipping point for the elite assassination.

For your block passage. When I post a quote, I paste the quote without the quote button. Then I add the quote] [/quote to either side. This maintains the paragraph and sentence structure. Left the first and last [] off so it would not make a quote.



[edit on 3/26/2010 by endisnighe]




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:30 PM
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Go ahead. PLEASE GO AHEAD! And be sure to take the KKK, the Skinheads, all the bible thumpers, the TPM racists, anarchists and the Birthers with you. PLEASE secede from the union!

Or! And this is just an alternative, go live in Somalia, the government doesn't really exist, so you wouldn't have to live under an oppressive government anymore.

Oh how about Darfur? No government suppression there either.

I also hear that Afghanistan doesn't have a problem with an overbearing government either.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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And the leader of the fascist/socialist rhetoric comes to town.

If a state did, would you starve them out. That was what you said on another thread.

You would be in good company there wuk. Another used the same technique a few years ago, STALIN.

whatukno, it is Stalin himself reincarnated.

It is great to see that if someone does not want to be part of the utopian ideals of fascists and socialists here in the US, we have people like wuk to say they will kill us all.

Hitler much?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:43 PM
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One or the other, I am either Stalin reincarnated, or Hitler reincarnated. If you were awake in history class, you might realize that Stalin's Russia, fought Hitler in WWII and that Socialism and Fascism are completely different ideas.

And if you did secede from the Union, why on EARTH would the US want to trade with you? If you wanted trade with the United States, you could have stayed in the Union. Besides, you wouldn't want a handout would you? Goodness no! So asking the US for help and trade after you spit on the flag is pretty silly isn't it?

Also, why would we want any of our allies to trade with you either?

Oh I know! You can trade with Cuba! (wait, they are commies.)



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:47 PM
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As I said, you call for forcing people to your way by starvation. The new Stalin, or should we call you the anti-Christ.


See, you cannot FORCE everyone in the world to follow your beliefs. That is what you are doing.

Oh, and blockade and forcing other countries to, is an act of war. So, tell me, who is on the right here. You or me?

Hitler much?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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He isn't forcing anything by saying they will starve them...it is just a fact of what would happen.


I believe I brought it up too in another post...it may even of been yours.

No state is self sufficent in food production...and eventually the food would run out. Once the state secedes...the Federal government will cut off all trade and travel to that state. All U.S. allies would follow their trade embargo. You would be left with Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba to trade with...that is great company to be in. And even if you did go that route and they agreed...the U.S. would never let them get close enough to deliver the food. Because they would more likely invade the state and take it over than actually just deliver food.

Seccession is a stupid idea...plain and simple. It isn't possible while the United States is still a strong and powerful country. The only way any state would ever secede is if the United States is already falling apart and they had no power to stop them.

You would have a better chance to gather a militia and take over Cuba to start your new country than a state seceding from the Union.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by OutKast Searcher]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:16 PM
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Why would they cut off trade? Oh, that is right, you are admitting that our government is as bad as STALIN.

Do you folks even see the horror in that.

As for your calling for cutting off trade, that is AN ACT OF WAR!

So you think it is fine and dandy to be tyrants like HITLER, MAO, STALIN, POL POT, etc etc etc.

My God, you and wuk have just PROVED YOUR SIDE IS INSANE!

You are frelling insane.



[edit on 3/26/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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Ohh! Now I'm the Anti-Christ?


Next you're going to accuse me of being Obama


Just trying to give you the reality of the situation. If you want a non oppressive government, go to Somalia, they basically don't have a government.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:24 PM
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Sorry, Somalia is being invaded as we speak. Don't you watch the news, oh that is not on the news.

So where again do you want us to go, oh die, that is right.

I see the internet gang is showing up.

Yeehaw, time for the tyrants to pull their crap as normal.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Why would they cut off trade?


Ummm...because that is what they would do. If you secede...you are no longer a part of the Union...you would be a rouge nation. There is a little phrase people like to use around here..."Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." So...ummm...what happened last time a state tried to secede from the Union???


As for your calling for cutting off trade, that is AN ACT OF WAR!


No...I'm not calling for anything. I am just stating what, in my opinion, would happen.


So you think it is fine and dandy to be tyrants like HITLER, MAO, STALIN, POL POT


Ummmm....no again. Show me where I implied that at all???


My God, you and wuk have just PROVED YOUR SIDE IS INSANE!


If by "my side" you mean "logical thinking" and by "Insane" you actually mean "sane"...then ok. Otherwise...I'm not sure what "side" you think I am on.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Well, if Somalia isn't a good choice, how about Zimbabwe, Sudan or Chad?

I mean if you're just going to give up on the USA, why not just leave? Why do you have to force your version of oppression on to people? Why do states have to secede from the Union because YOU say so?

Yes, we must be tyrants because we believe in the Constitution and the ability to change our government.

You seem to want to give up, and cut and run.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:39 PM
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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Still trying to push your fascism Stalin?

Or trying to push your socialism Hitler?

Last reply to the trollish Mao impersonator.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:43 PM
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Yea OutKast Searcher, don't you know all of this is those damn dirty Jews fault?


Endisnighe, and you called me Hitler?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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I posted an alert, hopefully it gets deleted quickly. Frelling spammers. I saw that on two other threads.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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LOL...yeah...at first I thought it was a real reply to me...and then I saw it was 10 pages long.


I guess we never get any real news...I wonder where he gets his???



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:51 PM
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I do not think that the states will go for Secession, but I do believe that if the polices coming out from the Federal government and the sheer arogance continues, we may be looking at another Civil war, where the citizens take up arms against its own government. Most people do not want to be part of an island, nor do they want a Federal Government that chooses to slander and ignore the people. What I find deplorable about this current adminstration is that they fail to address one of the most basic tenants of the Constitution: For the people to redress its grievences to their government. The people have spoken and the politicians fail to answer them. Morals and what is right seem to go out of the window and corruption is running rampent in the federal government. Special interests tends to be the rule, and common sense is not present. People are ignored or the government comes in trying to be a nanny state. This is a fire that the federal government keeps pouring gas on.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:52 PM
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Damn-

I overlooked that

Lord VISAROTH


Maybe that cat thought this was the sci fi script pitch section



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Damn! I must be the most god awful evil person EVER!


Wanna throw in Nero while your at it?

Ohh, you haven't called me Attila the Hun yet! Or Maximilien Robespierre, or Ruhollah Khomeini, or Idi Amin Dada, Leopold II of Belgium, or Vlad Ţepeş, or even Ivan IV of Russia.

Hell, if I am so Evil, how on EARTH do I have time to post on ATS? I mean I must have something better to do like kick puppies or burn cities to the ground.

I mean you want to secede from the union, spit on the constitution and flip America the bird, and I am evil?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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I have seen several petitions set up to address grievances this past fall. The government had agreed to both of them. They were to send DOJ people to the meetings.

No show. The government has been given ample time and opportunity to address grievances.

You know what happened after numerous attempts were made last time.

I believe the secession step is next, I do not want civil war. If one state starts, I think the other 50 will follow. So what, all we would have to do is re elect all the members again and just start fresh. If all 50 just decided to just do it, this crap can stop.

Oh well, I guess the CIP agents are everywhere and trying to stop any discussion about the solutions here. They just want fighting and arguments to continue.

It is obvious when you look for them.



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