Because quite simply, I do not, and I do not deviate from them, ever.
They are our lifeline, within an International Forum, where conspiracy theories abound.
Where every single country who posts herein do not necessarily have Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, or Freedom of Choice when it comes to
Personally, I do not find them intolerable, I find them weak, only in regards to people getting away with far too much, because people need to know
and learn civility.
As a member who has been here since 2005 I know how this site regards their members.
They love them, and want to keep them, both old and new members.
This is obvious, because they set up a unconditional standard, for everyone.
To maintain civility, decorum, and manners, among many continents.
When I refer to them as weak, by no means is this an attack of the credibility of this website, but it is my calling into question the behavior of
those who cannot abide by the terms and conditions.
Prior to joining you have to see this plus ATS terms and conditions :
Quote from : Pre-Registration Window :
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Please be aware that you are joining a tightly managed online social content community where civility and decorum are expected of our contributors.
probationary period applies to all new accounts. During this probationary period, any serious infractions of our Terms & Conditions may result in an
immediate termination of your account.
By clicking the register button at bottom, you indicate you have read and understood our Terms & Conditions displayed below, and agree to abide by
them as a member.
No, I am no Moderator, but personally, I find it distasteful when members do not read.
You signed up for this website, they have rules, you have to follow them, period.
I know policy, procedure, and protocol, because of a stepfathewr who was a Vietnam era Marine.
These terms and conditions are far easier than those I lived under until I left home.
Pretty simple, if you ask me, and while it is verbose, this is because of the nature of the website, and the membership within it, and those people
they want to attract.
Members Who Want To Learn The Truth!
Members Who Want To Collaborate In Uncovering Mysteries!
Members Who Want To Come Together, Not Tear Each Other Down!
While many people post herein, many people disagree with each other, over religion, politics, aliens, conspiracies, Bigfoot, military, Law
Enforcement, you name it.
Guess what, I guarantee I will disagree with you, we are individuals, but I will agree to disagree, as long as you do not go into childish
name-calling, insults, character assassination, because once you do, I will fall back to those terms and conditions.
Everyone on this websites deserves a fair shake, everyone, so let us post and have an interesting ride into the world that covers those conspiracy
theories we all love to speak about, even though there are people on here who might disagree with you, or who might not see a conspiracy under
every rock, they deserve a place here as well, because while this is a public website, it's ownership is private.
As members of ATS I wish everyone would understand what an opportunity you have, to speak with people all around the world, and uncover the many
conspiracies, political scandals, and mysteries of the world, and come together from all corners of the world.
Quite literally, you have a unique opportunity, to do some deep digging, and understand.
You, as a memeber, can actually topple those hard to understand issues throughout the world.
Just so you know, I am an American, registered Independent, single (currently).
I know Aussie's both from ATS and off of ATS (I've been to Australia three times).
I know United Kingdom people both from ATS and off ATS.
I know Canadian people both from ATS and off ATS.
I know South African people because of ATS.
I know Irish people both from ATS and off ATS.
I know German people both from ATS and off ATS.
I know Russian people both from ATS and off ATS.
I know Japanese people both from ATS and off ATS.
You will notice one unifying thing besides the letters ATS, they are people.
People are people, and they appreciate kindness, courtesy, and decorum.
In my pre-post window I see a message.
Quote from : SKL's Pre-Post Window :
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Please be an example for our newer members and make every new thread matter.
Please do not post your own personal information.
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could be used to send you unsolicited messages.
We are not responsible for the personally identifiable information you choose to submit, and may remove it at our discretion.
Trust me, even if those were not in there I would be following those principles.
As a new member, feel free to U2U any member of the staff, if they are online, or offline.
Trust me, even I still ask my way around, and all of the staff help you, when asked.
As a new member, feel free to send me a U2U if you need help.
Or visit my thread on how to make high-quality threads.
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With almost 200,000 members, I am here, to Deny Ignorance.
I agree with alot of what you said, and yes it is neat to be able to talk to people the world over, as well as maybe learning a thing or two
about how we think thin gs are. It also gives me a chance sometimes to look at things from a perspective I may not have considered. That being said, I
have found in my time here that the T&C seems to only apply to certain people and thoughts, at times. Usually I enjoy the threads I'm a part of, but
there are times when it seems to me there is a little bit of the good old boy syndrome here as well. Not alot, but when I notice it, it's pretty
glaring, just pointing out something I've noticed. The other thing that's a complaint of mine is the "That's Just Stupid Threads", I'm not
really into UFO conspiracys....so I don't read them, no problem with them being here, I just don't read them, yet tact seems to go out the window on
the anti rant threads. However there are countless threads about (insert topic here) being stupid, as well as the people that post there. There is no
conspiracy there, just a member ranting, maybe they could open up a ranting board. Anywho...I really enjoy being here, and yeah T&C coulod be followed
a little better, but it should start at the top.
You signed up for this website, they have rules, you have to follow them, period.
Not only is it easy to follow the rules, but they take the time and effort to educate everyone. Like when Skeptic starts a thread like the 'Pissed'
thread. You will not see other web sites doing this. Taking time and resources to let their users better understand how to communicate and learn.
They take the content that we have to offer seriously and encourage the users to use their brains. I like that a lot. I see no problem with the
T&C's my friend but lately there have been people that simply will not learn. It is a shame because in my opinion they are looking a gift horse in
the mouth! Go figure.
Some of the debates and some of the agendas here on ATS get so heated there are those who think that skirting the T & C by just staying right on its
line is the way to go to make their arguments and agendas.
Civility and manners are such a seldom seen thing any more and as always we all suffer as a result.
People just need to keep doing check ups from the neck up!
Actually in view of many recent conversations concerning this very topic, I consider it quite pertinent. The cards are on the table. There have been
issues. I've noticed (I think?) since the last thread by the ATS-PTB, things seem to me to have gotten a little better, yes? maybe? I think So.
I absolutely have no problems with the terms and conditions. In fact, if ATS was not the ATS it is, I wouldn't come here. I don't care to fill my
mind with a bunch of vile language, hate speech, and "gotcha you dumb piece of garbage" conversations. I would simply not enjoy it, and would
vacate the premises quickly. Obviously I haven't and have no plans to do so.
Why? Because the topics can be very stimulating, and are presented in civil manners.
Now, what I HAVE on occasion had a problem with......is my own little temper, which I do regretfully have sometimes. I surely know how to use my
keyboard, and the madder I get, the faster I type. Lol. So, I've learned to temper my temper, and everyone who remains here will need to do the
same thing, or you simply won't be able to come play with us.
It's a get-over-yourself kind of thing.
And...if I may add. I really do tire of hearing people put down the moderators. They moderators here are super. SUPER. And I say that because
it's true. Sounds like sucking up, so be it. It's absolutely true.
I admit the issues I've had have been of my own making. Frustration. Little temper, and I can admit it. If others could perhaps admit they create
their own issues, and contribute to their own problems, then we might see some changes in attitude.
My thoughts are that perhaps the OP will open some eyes, and stimulate a little thought into why some don't like the T&C's.
In less words what I was trying to say was T&C applies to us all, including staff. That seems to get overlooked sometimes, as do some members
conduct vs. others. It's just an observation I've made a couple of times, just my opinon, for what it's worth. As I said, i agree with what you
posted, but T&C has to apply to everyone
Originally posted by Whine Flu
I really don't care to read the Terms and Conditions of anything. Do you know how long I'd be sitting there everytime I'd install a program or sign
up to various websites?
Well, that's your prerogative of course. But I doubt you are the kind of person who goes around mocking everyone you speak to, calling people you
don't know names, or devoid of common courtesy.
That you can be comfortable in the community and contribute without a precautionary thought is a clear sign of how reasonable the terms and conditions
In the normal course of events, assuming a member is civil and earnest, I would suspect they may never even need to consider the terms and
However, they are intentionally in place transparently, because we wish to keep things as rational, genuine, and informative as possible. When I was
offered the opportunity to serve as a Moderator, I approached it with some caution, because some of those people who feel that the terms and
conditions are a triviality are not like you. When confronted with the consequences of their behavior here, they are not mature enough to understand
that while it affects them personally, it is not a personal thing.
Ultimately, you're conduct is all you have in any virtual environment to define who you really are. Some hide behind it. some revel in it, some are
not really sure how to handle it. The terms and conditions of this website are an assurance of trust, and it is part of the ATS culture.
I don't find the T&C hard to follow. One of my most fun challenges is to disagree with someone and be really good friends with them (SKL)
Disagreement is exciting to me and a wonderful opportunity for challenge and education. Different points of view excite me.
I do understand it's hard for some to follow the T&C. But I have a pretty logical mind and it doesn't make sense to deviate from the stated rules.
I'm a guest here and I appreciate it.
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