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Originally posted by Pauligirl
But it's not what you said. Quoting you from above "Am I straight now? No - I am still not attracted to men in that way "
So you can't choose to be attracted to a man. It wasn't your choice to be attracted to women either. It just is what it is.
The only time choice comes in is in deciding to act on the attraction.
Not everybody wants to give up happiness.
Originally posted by Torgo
reply to post by nomorecruelty
That's quite the revelation! Doesn't it bother you though, that you have to fight the urge to be who you've always been just to find acceptance in God's eyes? Even now, you admit that you're not sexually attracted to men and God refuses to answer your prayers to make that a reality. Don't you think that maybe that's God's way of telling you to be who you are? Believe you me, Heterosexuals are no more immune to STDs and drama than homosexuals. You just need to practice safe sex (or abstinence) and look for a compatible partner.
Jesus, who was your God incarnate, said nothing at all about homosexuality. If it were such a dire sin, one that would soon develop into it's own "agenda" to corrupt the souls of millions, don't you think he would have warned us? Don't you think it's odd that the OT God was a God of wrath and vengeance, yet Jesus was the most peaceful soul you could ever hope to encounter? Maybe God wasn't able to get his true message of love and acceptance through to us until he could do it in the flesh, and not through some interpreter biased by the time and place in which he lived.
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by ModernAcademia
Choice is a moot point. It doesn't really matter. Too much importance is placed upon peoples sexuality. I say, stop trying to dissect it and just accept it.
IRM
[edit on 25/3/10 by InfaRedMan]
Originally posted by DisappearCompletely
reply to post by nomorecruelty
I find this fairly amusing since there have been numerous cases of rampant homosexuality and pedophelia in churches across the planet. Perhaps you should focus on fixing immoral behaviour in your own dogma before you try to write off an entire population group as hell bound.
Also, can you show me direct data that links homosexual behaviour and the trends of an immoral society or as you hinted in a former post about homosexuality being a major cause of a nations downfall -- do you have proof for any of these claims?
[edit on 25-3-2010 by DisappearCompletely]
All (NOT Some things)
were made through HIM (God),
and without HIM (God)
nothing was made
that was made.
And again, that's their choice whether they share them or not.
I don't have any problems with people choosing to be any way
that they want to be - thief, murderer, fast driver (lol) or whatever
they choose -
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
"The Gospel According to John"
Ch. 1 Verse 3. Quote;
All (NOT Some things)
were made through HIM (God),
and without HIM (God)
nothing was made
that was made.
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
You can read about the downfalls in the Bible, or in secular history books, if they haven't "removed" the information by now.
Sodom and Gomorrah is probably the most infamous example - and before you say that it wasn't referring to homosexuality, you should read Jude in the Bible.
And if you need proof that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were truly physically destroyed, you can view THIS
Jude 1:7
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
[edit on 25-3-2010 by nomorecruelty]
Originally posted by Torgo
reply to post by nomorecruelty
And again, that's their choice whether they share them or not.
I don't have any problems with people choosing to be any way
that they want to be - thief, murderer, fast driver (lol) or whatever
they choose -
So now you're comparing people of different faiths to thieves and murderers? I think you're putting God in a box here, just like the authors of the Bible did, by telling others who were brought up with different beliefs that their path to spiritual enlightenment is a false one. It doesn't matter to which entity you pray, they all represent the same force that is behind this universe. As long as you are guided by love, acceptance, and forgiveness you are on the right path.
Originally posted by Torgo
reply to post by nomorecruelty
No, what I said was correct, Jesus never mentions homosexuality. Only the authors of the bible do.
Originally posted by DisappearCompletely
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
You can read about the downfalls in the Bible, or in secular history books, if they haven't "removed" the information by now.
Sodom and Gomorrah is probably the most infamous example - and before you say that it wasn't referring to homosexuality, you should read Jude in the Bible.
And if you need proof that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were truly physically destroyed, you can view THIS
Jude 1:7
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
[edit on 25-3-2010 by nomorecruelty]
It's funny that I knew you were going to reply with this very response (including ignoring your own religion's immoral practices).
Can you provide me with peer reviewed, scholarly evidence (not the Bible) that links homosexuality to the downfall of any civilization? This should be a fairly easy (or not) thing to do since homosexuality has been common in some of the most prestigious empires.
Also, same sex marriage has been legal in Canada for several years now; can you provide evidence that Canadian morals are starting to decay?
[edit on 25-3-2010 by DisappearCompletely]