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Originally posted by hippomchippo
What? I never said that.
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Why are you trying to go away from the topic?
Tell me what exactly attraction is to you then, is it a choice aswell?
Do you choose to be in love with someone?
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
If something is in the subconscious, that doesn't mean a person is "required" to act on it.
People have a choice - it doesn't matter if it's a limp wristed male who sashays
more than I do - who wears pink fingernail polish on Fridays.........
..... EVERY PERSON has a choice in EVERY situation.
Most just take the easy way out - they don't want to go against
the grain - so they go with the mass general public.
Peer pressure I think they used to call it.
We know they don't, thats why people come out of the closet, because they have been surpressing their real feelings.
[edit on 25-3-2010 by hippomchippo]
Ok, so what's going to happen when pedophiles or persons that engage in bestiality come forward and claim they have been "suppressing" their "true feelings" and "emotions" - do we accept their behavior into "normal" society, around our children?
You can't condone one while condemning the others - it doesn't work that way.
[edit on 25-3-2010 by nomorecruelty]
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
"Natural attraction" has nothing to do with it - I'm "naturally"
attracted to chocolate - and lots of it.
Does that mean I gorge myself out on chocolate JUST because
I have a "natural attraction" to it?
No - because I know that it will cause my body damage and could
possibly seriously affect my health.
I may have a "natural attraction" to money - so I have a choice of
whether to rob a bank or not.
Due to the consequences, I choose NOT to.
Chocolate cravings - sex cravings - money cravings .......
There is still a choice within ALL situations. Your body's hormones
are no exception. And by all rights, with the amount of diseases in
today's world, sex should be the last "attraction" we 'choose' to
give in to.
That attraction still exists and you're only surpressing it though.
All you're saying is it's possible to surpress natural attraction, I DONT DISAGREE.
I'm saying it's a bad thing to surpress natural attraction in the case of gay people.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Originally posted by hippomchippo
What? I never said that.
Listen, I am saying that you are saying that because you are saying that there is no possiblity of choice making at the subconscious level.
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Why are you trying to go away from the topic?
Tell me what exactly attraction is to you then, is it a choice aswell?
Do you choose to be in love with someone?
I`m not going away from the topic, if you let go of the subconscious argument I can too, no prob.
Of COURSE you chose to be in love with someone
you don`t chose love, love choses u hahahaah, that is for cheap movies man
I chose to like slim women, I chose to like narrow stomachs with medium sized breasts. That is choice.
See if love or attraction is not a choice then it can not be broken by choice
but we agree that divorce is a choice right
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by nomorecruelty
Money is not and never will be natural just as chocolat will never be.
You need to alter, mix and so on to get chocolate. Maybe you should try and chew on a cacao bean. You will learn it does not taste like chocolate at all
Sexuality is always there you don't need to do a thing about it.
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
"Natural attraction" has nothing to do with it - I'm "naturally"
attracted to chocolate - and lots of it.
Does that mean I gorge myself out on chocolate JUST because
I have a "natural attraction" to it?
No - because I know that it will cause my body damage and could
possibly seriously affect my health.
I may have a "natural attraction" to money - so I have a choice of
whether to rob a bank or not.
Due to the consequences, I choose NOT to.
Chocolate cravings - sex cravings - money cravings .......
There is still a choice within ALL situations. Your body's hormones
are no exception. And by all rights, with the amount of diseases in
today's world, sex should be the last "attraction" we 'choose' to
give in to.
That attraction still exists and you're only surpressing it though.
All you're saying is it's possible to surpress natural attraction, I DONT DISAGREE.
I'm saying it's a bad thing to surpress natural attraction in the case of gay people.
So "gay" people are in a "special" category?
So back to my previous question - what about pedophiles. I'm sure they could present the same argument. They, too, have been forced to "suppress" their "true feelings" and "emotions".
And I'm sure they, too, think that their community is "different" too -
Where does one draw the moral line -
A sin is a sin - you can't exclude gays from the moral sin list - if we did, we would then have to exclude bestiality/pedophiles as well.
So basically, it sounds to me like the gays are wanting "special" rights - because they are "gay" and "different" than the pedophiles and bestiality persons?
You can't have it both ways, my friend.
What you are wanting, I feel, is for society to be forced to accept the gay community as "normal" - and I'm afraid that is never going to happen - no matter how many laws they change.
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by nomorecruelty
Yes I agree with you on sex. It is lust that causes sex.
We were talking about being gay. Being gay does not mean you have to have sex.
Edit. I'm on occasion horny without any outside stimulus. Just like that.
Being a pedophile is all about moral just like you got killed being gay in the past.
Don't think I'm saying child abuse is a good thing. It's not.
[edit on 25-3-2010 by Sinter Klaas]
[edit on 25-3-2010 by Sinter Klaas]
Animals don't have the power to Think.
So just because they do it doesn't make it right.
Nature doesn't make mistakes.
WASHINGTON -- Men who have several older brothers have an increased chance of being gay -- whether they were raised together or not -- a finding researchers say adds weight to the idea that sexual orientation is based in biology. The increase was seen in men with older brothers from the same mother, but not those who had stepbrothers or adopted brothers who were older. "It's likely to be a prenatal effect," said Anthony Bogaert of Brock University in St. Catharines, Ontario, who did the research. "This and other studies suggest that there is probably a biological basis" for homosexuality.
Originally posted by Armin
Today, there are a great number of people convinced that being gay is not a choice. People are gay because they want to be gay. I don't understand why straight people, defend them by saying it's not a choice, you try to defend them by comparing them to animals which you guys claim are "gay". All your are doing is choosing to go against God's revelation and teaching's. For myself, God's opinion matters more to me than any person that would try to tell me and convince me that homosexuality is not a choice. So, I also don't care what your respondes are to my comment, the Qur'an and the old scriptures teach me to warn people that if they commit in homosexual behavior, then they will be dealt by God when their day comes. Have a nice day and remain blessed everybody.
Deuteronomy 22:13) ''If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
reply to post by nomorecruelty
Ok Honosty is a virtue.
It is what you believe is the right way.
But what about others ? Other who do not share your believe ?
Are you going to force them ?
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
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Oh, so *you* believe that pedophiles, not homosexuals, negatively affect others -
Ok, I'm affected negatively by homosexuals.
There went that theory.
See what I'm saying - you are gay, so you think gays are "different" and should be excluded from any negativity from society.
The pedophiles are pedophiles, and think that pedophiles are "different" and should be excluded from any negativity from society.
Bestiality people are bestiality people, and think that bestiality people are "different" and should be excluded from any negativity from society.
And.........
I'm none of the above - I think all three are sins. And all three affect me negatively.