Homosexuality is a choice and nothing else!

Heterosexuality is a choice also! You choose to lay with a woman, because that is what you feel is right for you. The natural urge is to do something about the inner calling of nature...which is sexual congress. I find it insulting for example, to say a transgendered child who at three insists he's a girl, is anything but genetics working within him! It isn't a choice...he just knows.

Same thing with Down Syndrome children, who if left to their own devices, will act out sexual urges with each other...straight or not. No one tells them how,or shows them pictures of sexual acts. They instinctively know what they want to do. Some act out homosexual tendencies. It isn't a choice!

Everyone mistakenly thinks that humans will automatically be hetero if they have no influences upon them whatsoever. Given that male simians will nail other males in the troop...it isn't a matter of choice. It is something else.

There are millions of scientific facts available, about the same sex couplings within the natural world...not just with humans.

The base of this posts argument is that human sexuality is by default heterosexual, and anything else is a choice against it. Just as Gender Identity is multifaceted and not either or, the same applies to sexual expression and what is driving the individual.

This is just another anti gay rant...which is a constant input here at ATS without end. Same circus, same clown act, nothing new and nothing else!
Most likely posted by a closeted individual who will not face their own sexuality I would imagine...methinks you protest too much!

I refuse to condemn anyone who is not "hetero". Live and let live.

Geezus get over it...

Originally posted by Confused and Dazed!
This is just another anti gay rant...

Which part?
Please specify
thanks

btw.. I bet you can't!

And if you can't.. which I know you can't
What was the purpose of you saying this

Just opposition to discussion?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


:-)

hey - I have a question

I am not sexually responsive to both sexes

are you sure? how do you know?

is it possible that you are attracted to both - but have chosen to behave as if you prefer one over the other?

just wonderin'

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

Believe me when I say I'm only attracted to one sex (men) because I'm the Easter Bunny and all the other holiday mascots can vouch for me.
Duh. .

(Forgiveness, but keeping up with this thread has made me dizzy.)

I think the OP is bisexual, thats why he thinks that it's a choice for him, when nobody else really considers sexuality a choice.

reply to post by halfoldman


LOL!

but, how do we know the Easter Bunny is a boy?

(I'll take your word for it)

and why is it anyway that there are no girl holiday mascots?

perhaps best saved for another thread

you know - I think that if the OP could just answer my question - it might clear up 29 pages of questions

it's a simple question

:-)

I don't believe homosexuality is a choice.
However many here do, so let me explain what it is that YOU are saying.

YOU, not me.
You are saying that pedophiles do not have a choice, they are just attracted to kids and have no control over it.
Choice is not even relevant.
So pedophiles are actually innocent, but they need to be treated somehow.

Me, I believe that if you trivialize choice it will cause alot of ripple effects like the pedo analogy above.
It is not good for society to trivialize choice, and I am therefore against it.

My opinion

I do believe homosexuality is a choice but it's a choice people have a right to make.

Just because Homosexuality is a choice doesn't mean we should deny people rights to be married etc.

that's just my opinion

Originally posted by Miishgoos
My opinion

I do believe homosexuality is a choice but it's a choice people have a right to make.

Just because Homosexuality is a choice doesn't mean we should deny people rights to be married etc.

that's just my opinion

Yes I agree with you on all counts!
They have the right to do whatever they want

My only point is that it's choice
Oddly enough some fools would still consider that as gay-bashing

I'm sure this kind of thing has been said before in 30 pages worth of replies, but we need to take into account the possibility of human behavior being a combination of nature and nurture.

Many psychologists think that most human behavior has multiple causes, we are rather complex creatures. I forget what they call this quotient, but when I took psychology in college, they would actually create a quotient from the ratio of nature vs nurture influence on a characteristic. For example, let's say that Behavior A is 70% caused by genetics, but 30% caused by environment, then the quotient would be 0.7 on a scale from zero to one.

It seems likely to me that sexual preference, whether it is same sex, different sex, or different species (tree hugging!), is most likely a combination of both genes and environment. Sure, some people are a lot more likely to be one way or another, their genes are pushing them in that direction, but there are other people who might not have the same genes pushing them that way, but still make the choice based on their experience.

Is it choice? Is it genes? No and no, it's both.

reply to post by ModernAcademia



I still have a question

but in the meantime, ModernAcademia - it appears that you're saying two completely different things here:

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I don't believe homosexuality is a choice.
However many here do, so let me explain what it is that YOU are saying.

YOU, not me.
You are saying that pedophiles do not have a choice, they are just attracted to kids and have no control over it.
Choice is not even relevant.
So pedophiles are actually innocent, but they need to be treated somehow.

Me, I believe that if you trivialize choice it will cause alot of ripple effects like the pedo analogy above.
It is not good for society to trivialize choice, and I am therefore against it.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Miishgoos
My opinion

I do believe homosexuality is a choice but it's a choice people have a right to make.

Just because Homosexuality is a choice doesn't mean we should deny people rights to be married etc.

that's just my opinion

Yes I agree with you on all counts!
They have the right to do whatever they want

My only point is that it's choice
Oddly enough some fools would still consider that as gay-bashing

just curious - where do you really stand on this?


[edit on 4/5/2010 by Spiramirabilis]

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I still have a question

but in the meantime, ModernAcademia - it appears that you're saying two completely different things here:

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I don't believe homosexuality is a choice.
However many here do, so let me explain what it is that YOU are saying.

YOU, not me.
You are saying that pedophiles do not have a choice, they are just attracted to kids and have no control over it.
Choice is not even relevant.
So pedophiles are actually innocent, but they need to be treated somehow.

Me, I believe that if you trivialize choice it will cause alot of ripple effects like the pedo analogy above.
It is not good for society to trivialize choice, and I am therefore against it.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Miishgoos
My opinion

I do believe homosexuality is a choice but it's a choice people have a right to make.

Just because Homosexuality is a choice doesn't mean we should deny people rights to be married etc.

that's just my opinion

Yes I agree with you on all counts!
They have the right to do whatever they want

My only point is that it's choice
Oddly enough some fools would still consider that as gay-bashing

just curious - where do you really stand on this?


[edit on 4/5/2010 by Spiramirabilis]

Its things like this that makes me just want to give up on the thread
Its a shame that people feel like this, but its life i guess. No matter how many people disagree with him, he is never going to change his mind.

reply to post by Jay-morris


sometimes we do have to give up on changing an individual's mind Jay-morris

it's still worth the entire discussion

also - having a few things frozen forever in print - priceless

:-)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Jay-morris

 

sometimes we do have to give up on changing an individual's mind Jay-morris

it's still worth the entire discussion

also - having a few things frozen forever in print - priceless

:-)

Yeah i know. It will be interesting to see his response, if he has one, that is.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


It was a typo
30 pages of this thread should confirm that

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Its things like this that makes me just want to give up on the thread

Its a shame that people feel like this, but its life i guess. No matter how many people disagree with him, he is never going to change his mind.

It was a typo
once again, 30 pages should confirm that
thx

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Yeah i know. It will be interesting to see his response, if he has one, that is.

Really?

Because...

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
You are saying that pedophiles do not have a choice, they are just attracted to kids and have no control over it.
Choice is not even relevant.
So pedophiles are actually innocent, but they need to be treated somehow.

Me, I believe that if you trivialize choice it will cause alot of ripple effects like the pedo analogy above.
It is not good for society to trivialize choice, and I am therefore against it.

I've been waiting for you to comment on the above for a while now!

Can everyone comment on the above please.

Aren't you also implying that pedos also do not have a choice?

A lot (not all) of these posts seem ill-informed and immature. It's purely natural instinct. Nothing else. An individuals upbringing can sometimes be the catalyst for 'the change', but the intentions and instincts were all there to begin with.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Can everyone comment on the above please.

I'll bite.

You are saying that pedophiles do not have a choice, they are just attracted to kids and have no control over it. Choice is not even relevant. So pedophiles are actually innocent, but they need to be treated somehow.

Whether or not Jay-Morris accepts that he said such a thing, I will say it. Yes, paedophiles have no more control over what they are attracted to than homosexuals or, for that matter, plain-vanilla heterosexuals. See here.

In the late 1990s a previously blameless American began collecting child pornography and propositioning children. On the day before he was due to be sentenced to prison for his crimes, he had his brain scanned. He had a tumour. When it had been removed, his paedophilic tendencies went away. When it started growing back, they returned. When the regrowth was removed, they vanished again. Who then was the child abuser?

The hysterical demonization of paedophiles in western society is unhelpful and unjust. Instead of anti-paedophile witch-hunts and repressive legislation like Megan's Law, we should try to see beyond our prejudices and ask what can really be done about the problem. This doesn't mean we should stop penalizing paedophilia, but we should be clear about our reason for doing so, which is to discourage paedophiles from acting out their fantasies in real life. Punishing paedophiles just because we find paedophilia repellent is dead wrong.

This thread is not about paedophilia but about homosexuality. The two are as different as chalk and cheese. Paedophiles make victims of the children they abuse; this justifies the repression of paedophilia. Who is victimized in an act of sex between consenting adults?

Neither paedophiles nor homosexuals can help their preferences. Sexual preference is never a choice. But this similarity does not justify your attempt to equate the two: that is just cheap, cynical homophobe propaganda. You and your sick thread are doing your best to spread hatred and division, which makes you a far greater threat to society than any paedophile could ever be.

Someone should start a thread titled ModernAcademia's homophobia is a choice and nothing else! Perhaps a few will come to your defence and insist that you're just naturally ignorant and prejudiced and can't help yourself. Me, I will argue that you acted with malice aforethought, and should be thoroughly kicked for your offence.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Jay-morris
Yeah i know. It will be interesting to see his response, if he has one, that is.

Really?

Because...

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
You are saying that pedophiles do not have a choice, they are just attracted to kids and have no control over it.
Choice is not even relevant.
So pedophiles are actually innocent, but they need to be treated somehow.

Me, I believe that if you trivialize choice it will cause alot of ripple effects like the pedo analogy above.
It is not good for society to trivialize choice, and I am therefore against it.

I've been waiting for you to comment on the above for a while now!

Can everyone comment on the above please.

Aren't you also implying that pedos also do not have a choice?

Sorry, i missed that one, but i will answer it now. Sexual orientation is not a choice. Be it gay straight, or pedophiles. There is a thing call chemical surgery that has been quite efective in many countries. So, that in itself should tell you that it is not a choice.

You can read up on it on the internet if you like. You cant make a straight person gay, and you cant make a gay person straight, and its the same with pedos, but, to tell you the truth, and think they are different anyway, for the obvious reasons.

Weak argument....

Because pedophilia is wrong

so therefore

homosexuality is wrong


another weak argument...

because red hair is wrong...

so therefore

homosexuality is wrong


Being born with something is weak...

so therefore homosexuality is weak and wrong...



I got ya.