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Originally posted by packinhit
reply to post by Jay-morris
If its in the genes and it skipped your genes then what can it be ?
The XY chromosone missing in a gene ?
I really dont know, if i did ill be a rich and hated man, my bro is bisexual yet im the more feminie of the brothers and i like women.
The bro says that he just likes guys and girls, he can choose which ever one he wants, best of both worlds i guess.
Maybe its not choice after birth ,maybe your are born like it, i dont know.
all i do know is my freedom to speak, i dont dislike gays and just because i have my views doesnt make me a homophobe at all
A lot of spirtual teaching says that you choose your life before birth, you choose your parents etc maybe your choice your lifes lessons as well.
Originally posted by Loki Lyesmyth
reply to post by Phlynx
LOL sorry but Bisexual is kinda a choice, I can choose to be with a man or a woman, I am 90% straight so I choose women, but still think Brian Molko from Placebo is a hot guy,
Whooa-ooooohhh. caught in bad BROMANCE... La.. la ..la la la..."
Originally posted by AceWombat04
All I can do is recite the story of a friend who was raised from an early age to believe that homosexuality was immoral and a sin. As he grew up, he also discovered that he was gay.
Now he struggles daily with self-loathing and the belief that he will go to hell. Why? Because he truly believes that homosexuality is wrong, a form of evil, and a sin against his god, but cannot stop himself from feeling the same feelings, urges, and longings that heterosexual men feel for women, but for men instead.
He never chose to be gay. He tries daily not to be. He HATES himself and everything about who and what he is because of it.
So unless someone can prove to me that he's lying or suffering from some complex form of delusion, my only logical conclusion can be that homosexuality is not a choice for him.
Here are my questions, though: Why does anyone care whether homosexuality is or isn't a choice, and why does this man have to go through life hating who and what he is?
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Okay, I know i'm going to get flamed here
and people, let's keep it civil so mods don't delete the thread!
Too many people say that homosexuality is not a choice, some say "I know how I feel, I feel diferent", of course you feel different... you are different!
But to say that homosexuality is not a choice and there is some DNA change causing homosexuality doesn't mean you are calling them mutants?
I am serious, if they are not homosexual by choice then please explain to me how that is not mutation.
No I am not calling homosexual mutants, if YOU say they do not make that choice then YOU are saying they are!
There is so much data out there, some saying it is a choice some saying not, there is both so now what. Lets just rely on logic.
If it is not mutation but also isnt a choice then heterosexuals would also say it is not a choice. And saying it is a choice means it is a mental decision while saying it is not is a physical one.
Thoughts
Originally posted by Angus123
Originally posted by AceWombat04
All I can do is recite the story of a friend who was raised from an early age to believe that homosexuality was immoral and a sin. As he grew up, he also discovered that he was gay.
Now he struggles daily with self-loathing and the belief that he will go to hell. Why? Because he truly believes that homosexuality is wrong, a form of evil, and a sin against his god, but cannot stop himself from feeling the same feelings, urges, and longings that heterosexual men feel for women, but for men instead.
He never chose to be gay. He tries daily not to be. He HATES himself and everything about who and what he is because of it.
So unless someone can prove to me that he's lying or suffering from some complex form of delusion, my only logical conclusion can be that homosexuality is not a choice for him.
Here are my questions, though: Why does anyone care whether homosexuality is or isn't a choice, and why does this man have to go through life hating who and what he is?
They care if it's a choice because the bible says gays are evil and must die.
Therefore they cannot be born gay because that would mean god made them that way.
If god made them that way then how can he call them evil and demand their death?
They were his idea after all. So...
Since they cannot accept the bible as being wrong, they must insist being gay is a choice. Because if THAT part of the bible is wrong, what OTHER parts of it are wrong?
CRISES OF FAITH!!! OH NO!! OMG!!! PANIC!!! PANIC!!! PANIC!!!
Yup... being gay is TOTALLY a choice.
Crisis of faith averted.
WHEW!!!
Originally posted by makinho21
Isn't your deciding that homosexuality is bad simply your choice?
Originally posted by makinho21
I an neither gay or a gaybasher, i just find it funny that the tone of your post was as if you felt you had somehow "cornered" the gays with this new found insight and now they would have to - once and for all - pronounce themselves as in the wrong either way.
I'm sorry to tell you that you fail...
Originally posted by Angus123
They care if it's a choice because the bible says gays are evil and must die.
Therefore they cannot be born gay because that would mean god made them that way.
Since they cannot accept the bible as being wrong, they must insist being gay is a choice. Because if THAT part of the bible is wrong, what OTHER parts of it are wrong?
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Originally posted by Angus123
They care if it's a choice because the bible says gays are evil and must die.
Therefore they cannot be born gay because that would mean god made them that way.
Since they cannot accept the bible as being wrong, they must insist being gay is a choice. Because if THAT part of the bible is wrong, what OTHER parts of it are wrong?
I'm not christian
Although I have read the bible I find I prefer teenage mutant ninja turtles to be more entertaining.
I don't believe in organized religion.
So much for your theory eh?
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Originally posted by Angus123
They care if it's a choice because the bible says gays are evil and must die.
Therefore they cannot be born gay because that would mean god made them that way.
Since they cannot accept the bible as being wrong, they must insist being gay is a choice. Because if THAT part of the bible is wrong, what OTHER parts of it are wrong?
I'm not christian
Although I have read the bible I find I prefer teenage mutant ninja turtles to be more entertaining.
I don't believe in organized religion.
So much for your theory eh?
Originally posted by Jay-morris
Ok, you say that you dont hate gays, but do you know how insulting it is gays that you think its a choice
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Originally posted by Jay-morris
Ok, you say that you dont hate gays, but do you know how insulting it is gays that you think its a choice
do you know that I find it annoying when you say:
1) Heteros have no choice
2) If you believe in choice you are a bisexual
so we are both kind of offended
Now what?
We just shut up and not discuss the issue like adults?
Maturity is impossible as far as this topic is concerned?