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Originally posted by Darth Logan
reply to post by PilgriMage
Well, for starters I would never compare animal behaivor to humans. It is poor science to "read" human motivations and sentiments into animal behavior.
The post that I responded to which was not your post, also failed to answer the OP's question. Funny how you scrutinize my post......... Makes sense.
I think the primary causes of homosexual behavior are environmental and personal choice. I don't think your going to find a "gay" gene. But I would agree that there are other biological influences that may indeed influence some people toward homosexuality.
and that these people can/would willingly give up their natural sexual orientation by choice
demonstrate that power and use it to override any/everything about yourself - what does that mean?
i pose the argument that anyone who is straight or gay or bi, whatever - would not see a need to change their sexual preference, why would they, they dont have a problem with it themselves, it's only other people that are would "change it if they could" because they don't agree with it.
That was a fairly interesting comment you made though - assuming that i was attacking you when i was merely addressing things i saw as either overt - strong minded or "trying to be" military" hardcore dude (shows with your avatar and camo decorations - assumptions? nooo ), that if had the power , he would exercise dominance over all aspects of everything and everything.
Because this essentially is something i am observing that you believe to be a "fix" to a "problem".
It's funny i heard of a monk recently found in a Thai Monastery, that had a heart attack, while having sex with a female dog. Now, that is interesting, a monk, who can meditate - died, while rooting a dog. so much for the not so esoteric knowledge of the lower ranks of monks eh?
I dont understand why you're being sarcastic to be honest..
Arent we here to swap knowledge and share information to grow other peoples knowledge? is that not the purpose of the forum.
Im not having a go, im just having a chat! - so don't get all aggro, it's rare to get a conversation started in an interesting topic where you get to hear other peoples opnions! i am interested to see why people would (presume) that differing sexualities are a natural occurrence, because they occur! its simple. It's nothing that needs to be changed.
Originally posted by Sigismundus
So...if 9% of the adult human population on the planet on average consider themselves to be 'homosexual' and 25% of the adult human population consider themselves to be "bi-sexual" in some way or another, and 66% of the adult human population on the planet consider themselves to be "heterosexual'
9% of the adult human population on the planet on average consider themselves to be LEFT HANDED and 25% of the adult human population consider themselves to be AMBIDEXTEROUS (with a slight preference for one or the other hand), and 66% of the adult human population on the planet consider themselves to be RIGHT HANDED
Do we call LEFT HANDED people 'abnormal', 'queer', or tell them that they 'need to see a psychiatrist and get fixed', ?
Or do we put social restrictions on them, e.g. they are not allowedd to 'use their LEFT in public' in front of easily influenced children, or being 'open their LEFT HANDED-NESS' without some fundy screaming 'SHE'S USING HER LEFT HAND, IT'S THE DEVIL's WORK, she's AN ABOMINATION, LEFT IS EVIL !'
Do we tell them that their LEFT-HANDEDNESS is 'curable'? 'socially unacceptable?' 'not discussed in polite society'? Tell them that it is A CHOICE and NOT GENETICALLY INFLUENCED in some way, or that it IS THEIR PARENT'S FAULT for NOT TEACHING THEM HOW TO ACT NORMAL?'
What do we do with all the AMBIDEXTEROUS people? Do we tell them to 'RIGHT IT UP and FLY RIGHT' ? Tell them that they need to make up their mind and EITHER use the RIGHT hand or NO hands?
Do we TELL LEFTIES that God will punish them for being SOUTH PAWS - e.g. telling Ruth Bader Ginsberg of the Supreme Court that G-d gave her cancer because she's LEFT HANDED and therefore AGAINST CREATION?
IS LEFT HANDEDNESS 'NATURE' or 'NURTURE', when some of our most famous actors, or some of our very greatest leaders and creative geniuses happen to have been 'ABNORMAL' LEFT HANDED persons?
What should SOCIETY HAVE TOLD ALL these 'ABNORMAL PEOPLE' (listed below) WHAT HAND TO USE WITH THEIR OWN BODIES?
SHOULD SOCIETY HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO GET 'LEGALLY MARRIED' and ENJOY THE RIGHTS of 'RIGHT HANDED / NORMAL PEOPLE 'IN SOCIETY?
Benjamin Franklin, Leonardo da Vinci, H.G. Wells, Alexander the Great, Rafaelo Sanzi (=Raphael), Lewis Carroll, Albrecht Durer, Greta Garbo, Marylin Monroe (born:Norma-Jean Baker), Angelina Jolie, Charlemagne ('Charles the Great'), Helen Keller, M.C. Escher, Judy Garland (born: Frances Gumm), Oscar de la Hoya, King Louis XIV, Martina Navratilova, Paul McCartney, David Rockefeller, Danny Kaye, Carey Grant, Queen Victoria, Henry Ford, Jay Leno, Bill Clinton, Vin Skully, Clarence Darrow, Ronald Reagan, Barak Obama, Steve Forbes, Jimi Hendrix, Matt Groeneg ('The Simpsons' creator), Dan Ackroyd, Gayle Sayers, Betty Grable, June Allyson, Edward R Murrow, Uri Geller, Diane Keaton, Michael Landon (born: Uggie Orowicz), Tony Perkins, Ryan O'Neill, Lenny Bruce, Emma Thompson, Bruce Jenner, Ross Perot, John ('I lie under oath for my Country') McCain, Joan of Arc, Roibert deNiro, Olivia de Havilland, Napoleon Bonaparte, Charlie Chaplin, Carol Burnett, Prince Charles (of England), Rudy Vallee, Fidel Castro, James Baldwin, Benyamin Netanyahu, Isaac Hayes, goldie Hahn, Rex Harrison, Phil Collins from Genesis, Barry Bonds or Fernando Valenzuela?
around 45-55% of males have a same sex, pseudo-sexual occurrence when they are anywhere between the age of 5-13. This is natural and due to hormones affecting the human brain and its interpretations of events and sexual stimuli. The same with women, though it is in slightly higher percentage.
so are we animals now