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Homosexuality is a choice and nothing else!

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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Darth Logan

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
homosexuality occurs naturally within the animal kingdom, do you think those animals choose to be gay? Thats all I have to say on the matter for now


Animals also rape each other and copulate with dead animals. This line of reasoning is unsustainable. If seemingly "homosexual" acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance.
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational humans.
The animal kingdom is a whole different ball game, sorry to say.


Awesome!

STAR




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Look at some porn and choose not to be excited by it. You can't choose your sexuality. If you can, then you are a very advanced form of life.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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Also it's a common misconception that "Every action and thought essentially is a choice. "

you cannot choose to have a thought, you jsut have a that thought, you cant think about having a thought, that does not make sense. you merely think it. Whcih makes it natural.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by earthdude
Look at some porn and choose not to be excited by it. You can't choose your sexuality. If you can, then you are a very advanced form of life.


If you cannot choose then you are a very low form of life!

You may chose to dumb yourself down but please don't do the same for the rest of our specie.

Thx



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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I don't agree with OP but will say "Intolerance is a choice"

2nd=You asked for thoughts. My .02¢



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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The question was, is it choice or not. It has nothing to do about rights. I cant stand the fact that a gay lover can get insurance but my pregnant girlfriend cannot. What about those rights? They are getting special treatment because they are a well funded vocal minority.

So answer the question.. Is it choice or not?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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I cant stand the fact that a gay lover can get insurance but my pregnant girlfriend cannot.


huh? "special treatment"?

You use example of health insurance, and suggest "special treatment"?

What are your sources and proofs?

BTW, depending on your employer, nowadays there are many compnaies that offer "spousal equilavent" helath and other insurance benefits. You do NOT have to be married to designate one person as the "spouse" equivalent.

Or, were you not aware of this?

SO...you could get your girlfriend covered, even without marriage.

"special treatment" my patootie!



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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The only people that can choose are those who are attracted to both sexes, and if someone says it is a choice then obviously they are admiting their own bisexual nature, how could they not be? They say they have a choice! So they MUST be attracted to both to have that choice.

Others who are gay or straight know they couldn't choose to be attracted to what they are not.

Are their teens and youth who experiment or people that kiss the same sex for attention, sure there are- There are people who kiss the opp sex for the same reasons- not attraction or love just sillyness. But that doesn't take away what is real for other people.

It's a choice to take action on feelings. That is about all.

Even if it were a choice, who cares? I live in this century I dunno bout you all but who should give a rats.



[edit on 26-3-2010 by Zerra]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by dampnickers
Two people have made the claim that there are homosexual animals around.

To these, I ask, where is your evidence.



I actually have seen 2 male animals humping. I did not go up and investigate further, but one can assume provided the right clues. I grew up on and around farms and having seen it happen in real life I am more inclined to think it is not a choice. I already know it isnt a choice because I am not close minded and ignorant. Not trying to insult, but if you really think it is a choice, you have never seen the struggle of a young gay guy trying his best to be "normal" lol. It is terrible for everyone he shares it with as well as himself tenfold I am sure.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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After seeing this thread unfold I think my earlier post was a bit misplaced. I thought (apparently I didn't examine thoroughly enough) that this thread was a nature vs. nurture argument, free choice vs. genetic predisposition. Beginning to get the impression that this is a religious gaybashing thread instituted by those who've wrestled with their own sexuality and now suddenly have seen the "light." No one is going to see the others POV, and since I refuse to get drawn into a debate where posters are using a religion whose hierarchy makes a practice of protecting priestly pedophiles to bash another for what they see as unnatural, I'm out.

Peace.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Too many people say that homosexuality is not a choice, some say "I know how I feel, I feel diferent"



Hm, Sometimes my penis becomes erect sometimes it doesn't. On the occasions that it does no matter what I do to try and prevent it I still can't quite stop it becoming erect.

This is a strange thing I can lift my arm or put it down at will easy peasy but my penis simply does not want to comply.

I don't really understand why it does what it does but I have noticed it mostly happens in certain conditions, which is all well and fine if I live my life avoiding these conditions I can prevent my penis becoming erect, yo I'm the boss here.

Or am I ?

I have no control over my eyelashes blinking indeed how many people have observed there's nothing in the world they can do about blushing .

There are lots of things my body seems to do that I seemingly have little or no control over ie have no choice in the matter.

Why on earth should the bodily function of a homosexual be any different ? It could well be said that we have a choice of whether or not we act upon out bodily impulses and drives but we certainly don't seem to have choice in whether we have them or not.

I may one day decide to go and have sex with a man i may or may not like it, indeed this is a choice I would make consciously but not based on the impulse to do so.

My penis does not get erect around men as it does around women but I don't start my day deciding that I won't have an erection around men I don't have that choice.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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Wow...let us just take a looksie here and see what we have:

Some of you think sexual preference is a chioce.
Some of you think one is "born" one way or another. (mutation)

Well, here is another thought:
Scientifically, experimentation and study of biogenics has been going on for a very long time folks. DNA was being researched before the public new.

From what I have read, Hitler, thanks to the Rothchild, Ford, and JP Morgan funding, had been using human subjects to try to produce his "perfect" aryan race. ....take away a gene here,...add another one there.

Genetic alteration/mutation has also been around for quite some time.
We ingest high frutose corn surup, modified corn starch, for starters, which are genetic mutations of the original ( ya wonder why there is so much sickness).

Therefore, it is plausable to conceive that the human "male" or "female" could develope feminit or masculine behavioral properties through several generations of a past genetic alteration. But, wait. What about way PAST generations?

Another thought, would be to see this from a biblical standpoint: Go to the book of Genisis. CH 6:4..."The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also AFTERWARD--- when the sons of God went to the daughters of men, and had children by them..."

The nephlim were describes as "giants". (Now, why were all those humanoid "giant" skeletons you see on you-tube not in museums?) Half man and half divine. Genetically mutated beings, if you will. Many of faith believe these were the "fallen ones" who in defiance from God, mated with human women.

Now all angels are described as being sexless. AH HA? Could that mean that this is where the term "hermaphrodite" comes in?

It is said that the "and also AFTERWARD" in Genisis meant that after Noah and the flood, these "fallen angels" came about and genetically messed up the human race all over again, maintaining the "Dragon Bloodline".

I am not going to give you my beliefs as it is not revelant. I merely wanted to point out other ways to induldge all in this thread.

Thanks!






posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You

Originally posted by dampnickers
Two people have made the claim that there are homosexual animals around.

To these, I ask, where is your evidence.



I actually have seen 2 male animals humping. I did not go up and investigate further, but one can assume provided the right clues. I grew up on and around farms and having seen it happen in real life I am more inclined to think it is not a choice. I already know it isnt a choice because I am not close minded and ignorant. Not trying to insult, but if you really think it is a choice, you have never seen the struggle of a young gay guy trying his best to be "normal" lol. It is terrible for everyone he shares it with as well as himself tenfold I am sure.



Animals will assume the 'position' on same sex as a way to show dominance- It is nothing sexual. However, For proof that there are animals who do not hold this m/f dichotamy that humans do we should look towards our closest relatives "(no, not te chimpanzee) bonobo apes. They are extremely sexual animals who will have face to face sex in which anthropologists agree shows more intamacy and 'relationship' than does doggy style. They will have homosexual relationships/sexually which is seen as a social behaviour instead of the normal dominance stances.
They are very human looking as well, it is rather very cool to watch these animals walk about.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by Zerra

Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You

Originally posted by dampnickers
Two people have made the claim that there are homosexual animals around.

To these, I ask, where is your evidence.



I actually have seen 2 male animals humping. I did not go up and investigate further, but one can assume provided the right clues. I grew up on and around farms and having seen it happen in real life I am more inclined to think it is not a choice. I already know it isnt a choice because I am not close minded and ignorant. Not trying to insult, but if you really think it is a choice, you have never seen the struggle of a young gay guy trying his best to be "normal" lol. It is terrible for everyone he shares it with as well as himself tenfold I am sure.



Animals will assume the 'position' on same sex as a way to show dominance- It is nothing sexual. However, For proof that there are animals who do not hold this m/f dichotamy that humans do we should look towards our closest relatives "(no, not te chimpanzee) bonobo apes. They are extremely sexual animals who will have face to face sex in which anthropologists agree shows more intamacy and 'relationship' than does doggy style. They will have homosexual relationships/sexually which is seen as a social behaviour instead of the normal dominance stances.
They are very human looking as well, it is rather very cool to watch these animals walk about.


I am familiar with that as well, but really I am pretty sure they were gettin in on. Well, one was at least I guess.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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The Bible defines homosexuality as a curse from God, put on people who turn their backs on Him.

Extraordinary how you fail to observe (or ignore) that your god is alleged to have created "everything" so who exactly created homosexuality ?

Yet another gay bashing bigoted bible buffoon thread coming up me thinks.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You

Originally posted by Zerra

Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You

Originally posted by dampnickers
Two people have made the claim that there are homosexual animals around.

To these, I ask, where is your evidence.



I actually have seen 2 male animals humping. I did not go up and investigate further, but one can assume provided the right clues. I grew up on and around farms and having seen it happen in real life I am more inclined to think it is not a choice. I already know it isnt a choice because I am not close minded and ignorant. Not trying to insult, but if you really think it is a choice, you have never seen the struggle of a young gay guy trying his best to be "normal" lol. It is terrible for everyone he shares it with as well as himself tenfold I am sure.



Animals will assume the 'position' on same sex as a way to show dominance- It is nothing sexual. However, For proof that there are animals who do not hold this m/f dichotamy that humans do we should look towards our closest relatives "(no, not te chimpanzee) bonobo apes. They are extremely sexual animals who will have face to face sex in which anthropologists agree shows more intamacy and 'relationship' than does doggy style. They will have homosexual relationships/sexually which is seen as a social behaviour instead of the normal dominance stances.
They are very human looking as well, it is rather very cool to watch these animals walk about.


I am familiar with that as well, but really I am pretty sure they were gettin in on. Well, one was at least I guess.



I'm just not convinced certain animals are conciously aware of their sexual acts as are other creatures like apes and humans. It is strange though, most animals , when in heat will do just about anything- even trees or legs- but the apes and humans will have social relationships and interact on a very personal level. Perhaps dolphins do as well. I really don't know...I suppose it would be seen in pack animals- but you'd have to observe a male and male alpha without a female- like in a wolf pack. Not just a one night stand, so to speak
But I DO agree with u

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Zerra]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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You need to go to school (and no, not slamming your education, just meaning a more specialized school on biology, psychology, etc.) and gain a broader understanding on this subject before you can make such a blatantly ignorant statement.

Your statement is based on a set of fears established by a set of rules that were set by a group of people that figured that their religion is the only way. They then created stories about how homosexuals are bad and unnatural in order to make their point.

Okay, now I'm straying into the religious realm. I don't really want to go there. But I can guarantee that about 99% of the stars you now have came from christians.

In MANY (not all) cases it is NOT a choice but the natural desire of that person sparked on by the chemical makeup of their body. Men are either more feminine and thus find males attractive or vice versa. It's a biological thing and for any person that will sit there and say that it is NOT God's will is just conflicting with their own beliefs. Or to be put more clearly, their beliefs are narrow minded and focused instead of open minded and receptive.

Because what is biology? The natural process of life. Now, what is nature/life? ISN'T that supposed to be God?

God will have created everything to act as it does without jealousy or condemnation. Sorry.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
But to say that homosexuality is not a choice and there is some DNA change causing homosexuality doesn't mean you are calling them mutants?

I am serious, if they are not homosexual by choice then please explain to me how that is not mutation.


DNA Also determines gender, race, hair, eye color and an infinite number of other characteristics each of us posses. By your logic are we not all mutants? Confused.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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Tel, scroll up..pls.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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Tbh it doesn't really matter, in the end what matters is did the persons enjoyed it or not. If they did then it's for them if not try something new.



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