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Homosexuality is a choice and nothing else!

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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:03 AM
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Every action and thought essentially is a choice.

It doesn't matter if its natural or instinctive. Every action and thought can be controlled through self discipline.

Pain is repulsive but it can be ignored and controlled.
Fear is repulsive but it can be ignored and controlled.
Even hunger can be ignored and controlled.

I can choose, and I do, to fast without food or water. Through conscious choice I can override natural or instinctive behavior.

I can choose to be celibate and ignore sexuality and sexual activity.

I can choose to eat repulsive things like insects and worms, through conscious choice.

I can choose to kill, by conscious choice, though I am repulsed by death.

Every action and thought can be controlled through mastering oneself.

Once one is liberated from instinct and desire, anything is possible. The self becomes guided by conscious choice.

This isn't suppression, this is liberation.

These impulses are like chains that hold people in bondage. They are obstacles to your true potential.

A mind free of impulse is like a tabula rasa or blank slate. They can literally become a new person.

Freedom from impulse and instinct is freedom from suffering. I dare say its one of the first steps on the journey to self enlightenment.

Its not impossible. People have been doing it for thousands of years from the Stoics, the Hindu Sadhus, and Buddhist Bhikkus.

The question is do you want control of your life or your life to control you?




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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I appreciate you taking the trouble to reply, but honestly raymarina, i can't converse with you if you don't read my post.

It's like having a verbal conversation where neither party listens to the points of the other.

I didn't say that being gay is going to or contribute to humanity dying out.

Read my post again if you feel like it, then you'll probably see what i meant.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo
I bet you really like slim women because of cultural changes, if you lived 200 years ago for example you probably would have liked heavier women

No prob
I agree, if I lived 200 years ago my choices would be different
sure I agree, still choices though
in midevil times they chose to burn women thought to be witches at the stake. still choices


Originally posted by hippomchippo
but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuals have been persecuted for their ''Choice'', why would they choose to be killed?

Nostradamus pretended to be of a different religion to avoid persecution, others chose not to pretend, some died.
Choice!


Originally posted by hippomchippo
And also, the subconscious does not make choices, the conscious does, the subconscious tells the conscious what to do, then the conscious decides to do it, or not.

There you go defending murderers again
I thought we were past this
Stop defending murderers and rapists



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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I'm sorry mate, but controlling bodily functions and thought processes are a completely different ball game to controlling ones natural inclination of mind and nature.

Also, when trying to demonstrate a similarity of how you can manage one thing - to demonstrate control of something "similar" - the item being opposed actually has to be similar. Like comparing apples to potatoes, you cannot do it, they are categorised differently. so comparatively speaking, you eating bugs and choosing not to drink some water are not at all in the same field, or ball park or planet. They are completely different situations and circumstances and thus require a different approach.

Essentially, what i gather from what you said - you feel that anything can be controlled by the mind. OK, running with that, i am sure you could force yourself to hold in a Poo. Yes, everyone does it now and then, but let's just say you tried to hold it in for the rest of your life. Guess what, you'll die, within a matter of months. Septicemia will overtake your natural and thought driven ideal to live, because your body can literally not handle the poisonous build up in your system. (analogy for trying to transplant a homosexual or heterosexual preference, where the natural one is the opposite)

Also, yes some things are controlled by the Brain (mind..) like your heart rate regulation and temperature. Are you telling me that you can speed up your heart rate, or stop it just by thinking about it? i mean, from what you say, anything mechanically speaking in the body or mind can be controlled by you, so can you think away fatty tissue? no, in fact there is a distinct limit to what you can do, without putting incredible strain on your naturally occurring thought processes or body.

This essentially is something that you could direct comparatively to a person trying to "Control" and "think away" their natural sexual persuasion. They could do it - outwardly, in fact, many do - sadly. It's people that think it's just a "head space" that can be unlearned that lead to things like brainwashing camps to "train" the gay out. It cannot be done. This is well demonstrated throughout the psychological community.

The same as you could "train" (pretend) to be gay, that doesn't make you gay, but it shows you have control over your actions and can CHOOSE to do what you want. This does not mean that you are anything other than forcing yourself to do something, that to you is unnatural.

Many homosexuals, because of religious and social stigma TRY and "not be gay" - but at some point, usually later in life when they have a stable job and have proven themselves "worthy" of their position in society or the work place, will they come out and be happy and open about what they are. It is truly a sad situation.

To some degree you are correct with "choice". However there are things we do not choose to do that just happen, like your breathing. Or you being able to see when you open your eyes. You have limited control over how those things work, aside from closing your eyes or holding your breath - but you always have to at some point come back to reality and accept that you need oxygen and need to open your eyes to avoid obstacles.

Take me for example, i could choose to disregard my own heterosexual lifestyle, that i was naturally born with and install some kind of "gay" process into my mind, however this would just be ACTING and even IF i partook in some sexual act, it still would not make me gay, it would mean i am PRETENDING and TRYING MY HARDEST to be something i am not.

Doing this would over time, just like holding in a poo, have a toxic effect on my mind and body and eventually i would not do it.

Did you know that there are many "gay" porn stars that are straight? Hard to digest? well guess what the drive is, they choose money as their soul happiness. They will do anything to get it, so they whore themselves out. They aren't gay, but they sure LOOK gay - paradoxically, like any gay man can appear and act straight, yet they are not.

I think you need to understand, that homosexuals and bi/trans gender orientation is NATURAL and NOT LEARNED. THIS IS STEADFAST IN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL FIELD. IF any of you actually gave 2 shyts about wanting to truly understand and "deny ignorance" then i suggest that you do some research into what the mind does and it's coping mechanisms under extreme duress.

Without doing any research and just going off your own non-acceptance for people with differences to you, you are just pushing a 1 dimensional, uneducated bias.

Im sorry but your post shows me that you (because like me you are hetero and see it as natural and normal) have either not put any time into actually understanding the idea of sexuality. It is no more a choice than you had choice over being male or female. Telling people that because you can control "anything" with your mind, they can "un-learn" to be gay - it's not realistic, or tangible or accepting or fair - it's incredibly narrow minded. In fact, it's fascism.

Congrats

1 more thing; in my studies in psychology, i learned an amazing thing. All of you who think homosexual behavior is unnatural, get ready for this - you may not want to read it.

around 45-55% of males have a same sex, pseudo-sexual occurrence when they are anywhere between the age of 5-13. This is natural and due to hormones affecting the human brain and it's interpretations of events and sexual stimuli. The same with women, though it is in slightly higher percentage.

This is NORMAL and a NATURAL occurring thing. It's called innocent experimentation and though some people do not need to do it, some people do experience it and that is how they discover what they LIKE and what they truly do not like - no choice at all involved, just a recognition of what they appreciate and like. At the point of puberty is when a hetero/homo mindset becomes apparent. It is not learned, it is a natural inclination due to the growing up process that every human goes through.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by hippomchippo
I bet you really like slim women because of cultural changes, if you lived 200 years ago for example you probably would have liked heavier women

No prob
I agree, if I lived 200 years ago my choices would be different
sure I agree, still choices though
in midevil times they chose to burn women thought to be witches at the stake. still choices


Originally posted by hippomchippo
but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuals have been persecuted for their ''Choice'', why would they choose to be killed?

Nostradamus pretended to be of a different religion to avoid persecution, others chose not to pretend, some died.
Choice!


Originally posted by hippomchippo
And also, the subconscious does not make choices, the conscious does, the subconscious tells the conscious what to do, then the conscious decides to do it, or not.

There you go defending murderers again
I thought we were past this
Stop defending murderers and rapists

I like how you included rapists in the last part, nice touch, a little pathetic, but nice.
And no, I'm not saying they didn't choose to kill, I'm saying they failed to use their conscious to control their subconscious, I don't know why you have this idea that i'm somehow endorsing murderers and now rapists because I say the conscious can decide to act on impulses from the subconscious.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by hippomchippo

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by hippomchippo
I bet you really like slim women because of cultural changes, if you lived 200 years ago for example you probably would have liked heavier women

No prob
I agree, if I lived 200 years ago my choices would be different
sure I agree, still choices though
in midevil times they chose to burn women thought to be witches at the stake. still choices


Originally posted by hippomchippo
but that doesn't change the fact that homosexuals have been persecuted for their ''Choice'', why would they choose to be killed?

Nostradamus pretended to be of a different religion to avoid persecution, others chose not to pretend, some died.
Choice!


Originally posted by hippomchippo
And also, the subconscious does not make choices, the conscious does, the subconscious tells the conscious what to do, then the conscious decides to do it, or not.

There you go defending murderers again
I thought we were past this
Stop defending murderers and rapists

I like how you included rapists in the last part, nice touch, a little pathetic, but nice.
And no, I'm not saying they didn't choose to kill, I'm saying they failed to use their conscious to control their subconscious, I don't know why you have this idea that i'm somehow endorsing murderers and now rapists because I say the conscious can decide to act on impulses from the subconscious.


sorry mate, but humans do not contain the ability to control their subconscious. That is impossible.

The sub-conscious (or unconscious while the conscious mind is active) see's and hears and absorbs more than what the human brain can process at any one time. So issues and things that you see during the day, even if you do not actually directly see them, but "observed" them, will register in your sub routine, known as the subconscious.

A murderer has a a conscious urge to murder, that may or may not come from their subconscious. However the urge is passed through their conscious mind's moral conscience and that is what decides whether or not they will do it.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:12 AM
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Youre right there are some functions that can result in death if chosen to be ignored.

If I don't eat or drink for too long I could die, but that is a choice.

Your not going to die from controlling your thoughts or non vital impulses.

There is a limit, to what a person can do but its far beyond the one you are implying. Psychosomatic and Placebic reactions show an ability to control far more than what we think we can control. You can literally get your heart to stop. You can also alter your core temperature.

I am surprised you don't know about the studies involved in that. In 1962, experiments were done showing a person can consciously influence their own heart rate. An Indian Brahmin was able to stop his heart briefly in another study. There have been studies on Tibetan monks who were able to maintain or increase their core temperature in freezing weather.

At the intro I said it doesn't matter if its natural. I didn't say anything about learned behavior. So why would I have to understand something I already stated?

Non acceptance? Making assumptions are we? Did I anywhere say I don't accept gays? I guess you think I'm Christian too? You know barely anything about me, but its ok!

I'm telling you and anyone else that you can be whatever you want to be and do whatever you want to do. Its your choice. You can define yourself or let life define you.

On another post yesterday, I said homosexuality was natural. Even mentioned most hetero males have latent homoerotic subconscious impulses.

Assumptions, assumptions. Its ok I forgive you.




[edit on 26/3/10 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:31 AM
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I find this thread a little insulting to all gay people. It is my opinion that heterosexual folks are no authority at all on what gay folks think/act/do because they themselves are not gay. If you are not gay, what makes you think you know how gay folks feel at all? Even if you don't feel it is natural, being heterosexual does not necessarily make you any better than a gay person or be deserving of any more rights. Most gay folks don't concern themselves about hetero-folks sexuality/lifestyles and heterosexual folks don't question their own attractions so why concern yourselves with gay people's lives?

Intolerance is ugly in any shape or form.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:32 AM
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Homosexuality is a choice. Ask the Presbyterian Church. They got taken over by gays who redefined Christianity around pagan gods and goddesses. Now congregations are trying to leave. Their properties, that they built and struggled to pay off mortgages on, belongs to the presbytery. Through lawsuits and by spending millions of dollars they are able to ransome their way out. In this case homosexuality was a very profitable choice. a very lucrative lifestyle.
That's half the problem. We obviously don't want their gay nonsense stuffed down our children's throats in the public schools. People should have their kids in private schools anyway. The gay world is more than that. It is about power and money and destroying everything in their path. It's an army of devils who will jump up to destroy whatever person they choose to point a finger at. It is a tool of corrupt politicians who are making money out of destroying decency in America. Our laws are being trashed by our president. The lawless elements are taking over everywhere. We are a people who live under law. The laws define our relationship with our government. They want to destroy our laws and redefine that relationship. Lawlessness brings about government by force with no defense for the private citizen. Lawlessness allows the government to take over our lives and force us into poverty.
The Bible defines homosexuality as a curse from God, put on people who turn their backs on Him. That may be why they think they can't help themselves.


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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:36 AM
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I have made anti Gay comments on this site and in person, I do not agree with homosexuality; in my opinion it's un-natural and the thought of the homosexual sex quite frankly disgusts me.

However, I have spoken to many homosexuals here on this site in an attempt to understand their sexuality and I have learnt a couple of intersting things.

Firstly, I don't have a problem with someone being Gay. As long as they keep their sexuality behind closed doors and don't thrust it in my face then I don't have an issue.

I will point out that I think that applies to heterosexuals aswell, peoples private lives should be kept private.

Secondly, as hard as I find it to understand, being homosexual is not a choice.

The homosexuals on this site I have spoke to have quite openly admitted that they didn't choose to be gay, they felt guilty and even ashamed growing up knowing they were attracted to members of their own sex.

Homosexuality isn't a choice and neither is heterosexuality, I used to argue that heterosexual's are the norm where as homosexuals were the abnormal.

But if you think about it logically, to a gay person they are the norm and the heterosexuals are the abnormal. Maybe gays are not accepted as the social norm but thats a different kettle of fish...

I don't believe in a "gay" gene or this rubbish about "a women trapped in a mans body", if your a born a male then your a male.

I'd like to understand the reasons for homosexuality although I don't think anything has been proven scientifically so at this moment in time all we can do is speculate.

Like I said, homosexuality isn't a choice.

I'd also like to add that after periods of argument/debate I've learnt that the homosexuals on this site I have spoke to are nice, normal and intelligent people, just the same as anyone else, the only thing that differs is their sexual preference.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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I'm almost crying with happiness that I know there's someone else out there who thinks like me. YES, I think Homosexuality is a Choice and I think this crap about the animals do it and you can't help it is all just a huge Excuse to practise Disgusting Practises.

I have often thought about why Homosexuals have to "Come Out" and I think it all has to do with attention and of course, some other factors.

Elton John and his homeboy attract attention everywhere they go.

So, When Elton John gave up wearing Ridiculus Glasses and Head Gear, He went Homosexual to get the same attention.? Could be true?

He was married to a Woman, First..



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by Arles Morningside
 


Animals don't have the mental capability to make decisions and think.

They go by instinct.

They have no thoughts.




Would you kindly inform these guys of this surprising fact? thanks so much!


Oh, and here, a bit oflight reading!!



Back to the topic: sexual attraction is not a conscious decision. Acting on it, yes of course- it would be foolish to disagree- but the attraction and biological functions that go with it are in no way, shape, or form, a CHOICE. Is it a choice that hetero males get turned on by beautiful women? Is it a choice that women enjoy sex with men?

Or are you really claiming that all of our turn ons are choices? Are you saying that horny teenagers are choosing to be horny? I am quite sure some of them would rather NOT have those embarrassing moments in the middle of class when their bodies trigger functions more appropriate in other venues.

Is it a choice to love one's children unconditionally? Is it a choice when biological clocks start ticking? is it a choice to fall in love at all? Or do these things happen regardless of what our brains are telling us to do? We are not robots, we have feelings and emotions that we cannot control.

Now, is this thread about natural biological processes, or about acting on feelings? because they have completely different meanings.

I'll say it again- Science has yes, proven that homosexuality has a biological base. It is not a "choice".

How many more different ways do you need us to explain this to you? Your beliefs are irrelevant to the discussion. Don't really give a flying fig if you choose to believe that homosexuality will send you to hell, as i choose to believe that this stance is hypocritical and laughable, especially as you are deliberately CHOOSING to disregard other "equally as sinful" actions in your daily lives, but oh ho! At least you aren't a sodomite!



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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Who cares?

I'm sure a homosexual could sleep with a gender they aren't attracted to but that would imply that they chose to do it because they aren't really "gay". Frankly, that's cods-wallop because people continually make bad decisions on whom they sleep with because they are either in denial or think they are compatible with someone when they clearly are not.

Therefore, the problem is choice.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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hahahaha,
yes,

With regards to monks and other people in posession of the more esoteric knowledge - i am sure it can be done
However, may i ask how many people you know that can do that, or even if you can? You speak as if you are in posession and believe yourself to have this ability, when as you mentioned - monks and other select groups do it, and they are small demographic size and knowledge. it isn't esoteric without few knowing it.

So unless you, yourself, are telling me that you can willingly change your sexual persuasion, with pure thought power - and that these people can/would willingly give up their natural sexual orientation by choice; are you not making the assumption that "all men have latent homosexual fanatsy desires" by quite obviously showing that if an option was posed to you for some gain in semblance of power(knowledge over everything, even yourself), that you would do anything to get it, or demonstrate that power and use it to override any/everything about yourself - what does that mean?

It was just an interesting thing to post on a thread about whether or not homosexuality is choice. Are you here contesting this? or supporting this idea? It is accepted, all over the world, by not only psychologists - but scientist, that you cannot change sub conscious attributes of yourself (brain patterns, naturally occurring) that you don't agree with at some level - Essentially; i pose the argument that anyone who is straight or gay or bi, whatever - would not see a need to change their sexual preference, why would they, they dont have a problem with it themselves, it's only other people that are would "change it if they could" because they don't agree with it.

Cause i wouldn't give my mrs. up for anything, in fact, id pretty much kill to defend her and make sure she was not harmed. So, why would i willingly give her up and go to something, that in my current (orientation) state of mind, would find unnattractive and unappealing.

Gay isn't a choice, you cannot choose to be gay, you can choose to act gay - but that doesnt make you gay, what makes a person gay or straight, is that they are attracted to the opposite sex. Sexuality is not fluid for everyone, im not presuming it is for you either). Whilst bisexuals represent a factor that enjoys sex with both and therefor they essentially to me represent a factor of pseudo 'choice' - but fact, is most men, do not have secret sexual appreciation for other men - they wouldnt see a need to change it, they are comrades and friends, they love each other - but there is no sexual interest. There is a huge difference.

That was a fairly interesting comment you made though - assuming that i was attacking you when i was merely addressing things i saw as either overt - strong minded or "trying to be" military" hardcore dude (shows with your avatar and camo decorations - assumptions? nooo
), that if had the power , he would exercise dominance over all aspects of everything and everything.

Quite megalomaniac, considering it's a form of deep meditation, or a result thereof, that these people can adjust body temp or heart rate

I am not making an attack on your personality and not

But your missing the point again my friend; what makes you think, that you would expect anyone to change their natural opposite (or same sex for homosexuals) sex feelings, for feelings of the same (opposite sex for heterosexuals) sex - you would have to want some part of the opposite sex in some way, as a hetero man, i do not want to experience a male male interaction. But that's only cause it's not what i like. If i liked blokes, wouldnt i be gay?

I just don't understand why you would expect some one who truly adores their sex attraction to whatever, would want and willingly change to the opposite sex of their choice. It makes no sense to me. Because this essentially is something i am observing that you believe to be a "fix" to a "problem".

That's why i say heterosexual/homosexuality/bi-sexual/trans-sexual is natural, as with beastiality and other "fetishes" (not that being gay is a fetish, by any means) that surpass "socially acceptable" barriers. It's funny i heard of a monk recently found in a Thai Monastery, that had a heart attack, while having sex with a female dog. Now, that is interesting, a monk, who can meditate - died, while rooting a dog. so much for the not so esoteric knowledge of the lower ranks of monks eh?

If you were gay, and i was telling you that you were able to change it if you wanted to, or perhaps meditated on it, or thought about it a lot - that you could swap to the opposite sex partner and enjoy it. why would you, be willing to change something you loved? Wouldnt you feel proud of who you were? Why couldnt you accept youself regardless of whatever you percieved your sexuality to be, why try and find a way to change that about you which is natural? You gotta be comfortable in yourself bro - before trying to accept others. Gotta know yourself truly and fully to reach your full potential, having a "macho" and "sarcastic" response does not strike as hard with me, as much as you would hope.

I dont understand why you're being sarcastic to be honest..

I mean, why do you percieve that i was making offensive and aggressive comments to you? i wasnt challenging your sexuality, i was challenging your theory. Arent we here to swap knowledge and share information to grow other peoples knowledge? is that not the purpose of the forum.

p.s. did you know that the military has a huge proportion of enlistee's who are of differing orientations to heterosexuality. It's interesting as i think freud was on to something when he said that jobs that require close proximity and tight team-mate ship, have a large interest to the gay community. I found that fascinating, my father in law and my brother in law, brother.i.l was in the NAVY! (hahahah) - told me that on ships and in the ground forces, it is actually pretty true.

Cammo can't disguise all bro ;-P

Im not having a go, im just having a chat! - so don't get all aggro, it's rare to get a conversation started in an interesting topic where you get to hear other peoples opnions! i am interested to see why people would (presume) that differing sexualities are a natural occurrence, because they occur! its simple. It's nothing that needs to be changed.

Acceptance



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 08:23 AM
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I’m of the school of thought that homosexuality is a natural means to control population. (Forget eugenics, bring on the gays!) This type of behavior has been observed throughout the entire animal kingdom: en.wikipedia.org...]


I dont see the logic in that. Many hetralsexual couples choose not to have children. While many homosexuals do choose children not by adoption but artificial insemenation, a friend or other means.

If it was a biproduct of over population. We would see a rise in couples who are incapable of concieving.

To answer the OP, Yes I'm of the belief that it is a choice. That includes heteralsexuals, eunics(like priests, I know bad example) and bisexuals.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 08:31 AM
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Nobody ever claimed it was a feature of DNA.

When it happens REGULARLY with wild animals - this post is defunct.

I can't imagine why anyone - who isn't homophobic - would start such a thread.

Leave the gays alone - ignorance isn't in your DNA either!!!



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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Oh and, you don't have to be religious to be biggotted
I never said you were religious, why would you assume that? All humans are biggoted, it's natural. everything that occures is natural, if it's in earth and born from a girth, it's natural! and you just gotta accept who you are bro! Why avoid it and why should you? Why would a stone, or a bird want to be anything else than what it is?

No way! what reason do you have, unless you are gay? (in which case you dont like women at all, just as friends (i.e non sexually or intimately or in a relationship "love" sense)

You cant control your Hetero love for women and why would you want to? unless you find it somewhat, not to your tastes and therefor are interested in the other. There is no choice in being gay as much as their is choice in you controlling being heterosexual.

No one can change their orientation because it something deeper than a physical apparition. It's the psyche. You have hetero psyche, others have a homo psyche or trans or bi. The individual would have to have a disslike for the current (whatever) sex to even want to investigate or potentially be romantically interested with whatever sex they want now.

There is no choice involved as much as a dog can be a human and a human a dog. They act like dogs, humans cannot occupy the mind of another completely different set of thought processes that dogs have. We are not dogs? It's black and white. There is no choice, it is natural and nothing needs to be changed, just accept that they exist and they are not threatening you and you wont see a need to post "change your ways" options that people "could" employ the do anything to change their natural ANYTHING.

if you can choose to be gay, you can choose to be anything, a woman, a man, a dog a cat. Im happy with being human and im not ashamed of being heterosexual, nor am i ashamed of homosexuals or ANYONE, i accept people as they are for what they are, regardless if they are gay or not.

To say that if you wanted to you could "choose" to change your orientation implies, to me, it is a choice(in your opinion?), why do you think it would be anything but a pre-disposed and natural therefor so no-need for changing occurrence.

why would you even post a way to change your sexuality? have you changed yours or something? if we are being accepting of all regardless of somethign we might disagree with about them personally, is that not the best way to be. nothing to change when it comes to something like sexuality, different folks, different strokes

- lol -

My missus has a gay mate who hung out a while ago.. i said this to her, that people think it is a choice to be gay, where no one else identifies deciding they were straight/gay never occured. You never noticed it until you you noticed what ever sex you like. heterosexuals can ACT gay, that doesnt make them gay, they have to want a meaningful relationship with some one of the same sex to be gay and that means sexually. pretty much what a man and wife do, but with a dude(or girl)

so if you enjoy female to male, or male to female, or female to female to female, to male and male, whatever (strokes) suits you (different strokes) As long as everyone is respectful of each other and i dont hit on lesbians and gay guys dont hit on me, we're all on an equillibrium and everyone is getting along!

i dont think gay people would change themselves any more than a straight person would give up their orientation, that is, unless you like both and then you may be in sexual crisis or bi-sexual situation - which is different.

Heteros know what they are, so do gays and bi's . . . no one should have to hide anything about themselves. Utmost honesty in all areas and acceptance by all is key if we are all going to progress. I cant wait until everyone just chills out and i dont have to read or hear about "dominitive" ideals and people that like to make things sound like choice than natural, and therefor have an excuse to ostracize them

we all belong to the human race

i dont give a # who you are, i have not got a problem with you. Unless your a mean arsehole and impose your beliefs on others and enforce it with power, then we are going to have problems! Rather fight for freedom of rights for all and a free people, who are happy and disciplined by that happiness into stronger bonds of overall camaraderie.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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So? Who cares if it's a choice or not? Let people do what they want, they aren't hurting me.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
homosexuality occurs naturally within the animal kingdom, do you think those animals choose to be gay? Thats all I have to say on the matter for now


Animals also rape each other and copulate with dead animals. This line of reasoning is unsustainable. If seemingly "homosexual" acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance.
Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational humans.
The animal kingdom is a whole different ball game, sorry to say.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Zorah
I find this thread a little insulting to all gay people. It is my opinion that heterosexual folks are no authority at all on what gay folks think/act/do because they themselves are not gay. If you are not gay, what makes you think you know how gay folks feel at all? Even if you don't feel it is natural, being heterosexual does not necessarily make you any better than a gay person or be deserving of any more rights. Most gay folks don't concern themselves about hetero-folks sexuality/lifestyles and heterosexual folks don't question their own attractions so why concern yourselves with gay people's lives?

Intolerance is ugly in any shape or form.


See! women are excellent! they can summarise so much better than i can! I knew i should have had mymissus write my responses, she is so much mroe concise! intelligence is dammmnnneeeed sexy!

This is why the ladies..

they the ying..

to my yang!

hahahahah

(hope i didt offend you Zorah - i jsut thought that was farkin awesome!)



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