Originally posted by Maddogkull
Why are there still apes on this earth if we evolved from them?
Humans are Apes. That's not a moral indignation of humanity; that's just the fact of the matter. We belong to the taxonomic family Hominidae (Great
Apes) along with Chimps, Gorillas, and Orangutans. This is based on the frequency pattern of similarities and differences in comparisons of our
morphology, behavior, genetics, etc, against other forms of life (Homologies). We are related by a common hominoidea ancestor basal to Hominidae. We
further belong to the Hominin tribe which shares all of the diagnostic characteristics of Hominidae - but itself contains traits which our other Great
Ape relatives do not. Our own specific branch is the Genus Homo - species Sapiens, which we share with Neanderthal and Idaltu. We are a subspecies
called Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
So we are apes for the same reasons that we are vertabrets. All mammals are tetrapoidal (four legged) chordate (we have a spinal column), but not all
chordate are mammalian or tetrapoidal, and not all tetrapods are mammals. All humans are apes, but not all apes are human.
This is not a hate speech towards evolution
Obviously. But it's not quite on the up and up either. If you were asking an honest question, I wonder why you would feel the need to start off with
such a statement. The only people I see who start off like that are most always trolls or those utterly oblivious to the concept of subtly. That's
one tip creationist websites should pass around with their dusty archaic "top secret devastating info on how to fight evolutionists" that is so
cornball in it's misconceptions... I have to wonder if the webmasters are actually playing a joke on these poor souls who wield those tired canards
as if they were doomsday weapons.
I believe in it
No you don't. If you have to ask the question in the title, then you don't know what evolution is. Or at least, what you claim to believe in isn't
Why do we still have apes if we evolved from them?
I already explained partially. Basic history of animal husbandry should imply to you that extinction is not a prerequisite for speciation. Speciation
is typically marked by the inability to breed viable (fertile) offspring. Once two populations can no longer interbreed and share their acquired
genetic variations, then those two populations will continue to diverge in their morphology as subsequent genetic variations within each population
continue to accumulate.
Certain environments favor similar motifs, but the similar adaptations that develop will be modifications of the existing morphology which define that
population. For example, wings. Birds, insects, fish, and mammals (to name a few) have all developed adaptations within known species to take
advantage of an environment which has a substantial atmosphere. Bats and Birds both have wings, but the structure of the bones in the wing are quite
The common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees belonged to a population of a single parent species which was neither chimpanzee or human. We don't
know the exact species our two lineages split from, but there are a few good contenders for a close match - such as
(who is just slightly too young). Since the alleles accrue at a fairly
predictable rate, we can count them back to about 4.7 million years ago for the LCA.
Why does a giraffe have a huge neck to grab food when animals that lived in the same area that don’t have big necks get food fine?
Because mutations are random, and spread throughout a population via reproduction. Speciation prevents the spreading of genetic material from closely
related species, even if the descendants of the populations again share the same local environment at a later date. This can cause very different
strategies for survival to develop even in closely related species given enough time.
Also, it shouldn't be necessarily assumed that the Giraffe's neck is long for the purpose of reaching food other animals could not. Giraffes
typically spend the same amount of time feeding from lower foliage as they do the tops of trees... even during dry seasons. It's quite likely that
other factors contributed to the neck's extraordinary length. For example, sexual selection of females favoring longer necks in the bulls as a marker
for health and attractiveness.
Certain questions like that i hope people can answer. Thank you.
If you want your questions answered, you'd be better off asking in a biology or zoology forum. Go to places you know there will be students and
professors who have degrees in evolutionary biology. They'll be able to give you far more comprehensive answers and provide more fruitful dialog.
Why ask such a question at ATS? That's not exactly this forum's forte, so you're rolling the dice on whether or not anyone even familiar with
biology and evolution will be able to give you the best possible answer. ... and if you don't know much about evolution to begin with, how can you
even begin to tell the BS from the Substance?
Meh... I guess "Why not", or "I was already here" is enough of an answer... but I'm still calling this one a creationist fishing expedition using
very, very, very old bait.