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Where are the majority..who hate healthcare?

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posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:16 PM
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That whole b.s. about most Americans being against Obamacare because it is too liberal was just a lie. There were never that many against it and all the people that believe that are crazy.




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
If you disagree with the man by all mean argue policies. Making personal and visual insults does not get your points across, especially to those who will listen to reasonable arguments against.


In fact, it proves that it's OBAMA the man, that they are against, and not any particular thing about the health care reform law. If republicans had sponsored this bill, the same people who are dragging Obama through the gutter would be singing its praises, still knowing nothing about it.

To answer the question in the OP, they are here. On ATS.


Sadly, only a veiled way to play the race card. I don't know how you get away with it.

It is not obama "the man". No, he - along with pelosi and reid - have set themselves up as symbols of a kind of "change" not many anticipated and it seems even less wanted.

In that context, a picture of obama - or any of them - tearing up the constitution to accomplish their goals is quite appropriate since that is exactly what they have done by ignoring the majorities of their constituents and bribing their fellow congressmen to get their votes.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
That whole b.s. about most Americans being against Obamacare because it is too liberal was just a lie. There were never that many against it and all the people that believe that are crazy.


Don't you ever just get tired of being proven wrong?


5 polls on obamacare




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
I don't know how you get away with it.


I don't either.


Look, I didn't say anything about race. YOU did. That's how it's played - someone actually brings it up. That would be YOU, in this case. Nice way to play the race card by accusing someone else of playing it! I'm impressed.

I don't know how you get away with it.


Your polls are from July of last year!


Here's something a little more recent:


Polls indicate support since vote



Two of the surveys, by CBS News and Quinnipiac University, asked virtually the same question about health care both before and after Sunday's vote, and in both polls support for the legislation rose by four to five percentage points.

USA Today/Gallup, the third poll conducted after the vote, did not ask the same question as they did before action by the House, but their results are generally consistent with the indication in the other polls that support for the health care bill has gone up.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Everyone knows what you meant.


Funny, but I was having a hard time actually finding the poll numbers in your article. CNN (state controlled media) seems to just be saying the numbers were higher.

And what exactly was the poll question? If they asked if people wanted real healthcare reform, most people - including myself - would say yes.

Here's the key. If the poll question was whether they wanted the healthcare bill that just got passed, the results are much, much, different.

Unfortunately for elitist dems, most people are not stupid enough to think real healthcare reform and obamacare are the same thing.



[edit on 3/25/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Everyone knows what you meant.



I think everyone knows what YOU meant.


My thread here talks about the polls. And it was specifically about The new health care bill.

Point is, we can't count on polls. They don't mean poo. These polls prove that the country is split. About half and half. The half that wants THIS health care bill is getting it. The half that doesn't want it is going to be disappointed, but that's the way it goes.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Everyone knows what you meant.


Funny, but I was having a hard time actually finding the poll numbers in your article. CNN (state controlled media) seems to just be saying the numbers were higher.

And what exactly was the poll question? If they asked if people wanted real healthcare reform, most people - including myself - would say yes.

Here's the key. If the poll question was whether they wanted the healthcare bill that just got passed, the results are much, much, different.

Unfortunately for elitist dems, most people are not stupid enough to think real healthcare reform and obamacare are the same thing.



[edit on 3/25/2010 by centurion1211]


You both just made my point about polls. Depending on what side you are on you can always find a poll to back your views...so yeah polls are worthless. Centurion1211...if you insist on using polls as evidence...please use current ones
. Also you say if these useless polls were taken today it would be different outcome....ummm...you know this as fact or are you just hoping. The truth is...besides the small minority that hate "Obamacare"..there no proof out there the majority hate it. SO again would people stop saying the majority of Americans hate this bill..without evidence to back up thier claims.

Also centurion1211....it is possible to hate a man without basing it on color...so your accusations about Benevolent Heretic are a compete fabrication as he did not play the race card....it was you. Step up to the plate and take responsibilty for your words. Yes we all knew what he meant....Obama is hated.(policies, democrat, man and even because he is black...there are a ton of reasons why people may hate him..you chose to say it was because of his color)

[edit on 25-3-2010 by kerazeesicko]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:29 PM
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I guess you didn't notice the lines in your linked article
that stated


(poll) questions concentrated on the passage of the bill, not the
contents of the bill


It's all a matter of HOW you ask the question
in order to get your favorable response

YES I want healthcare reform
NO I DO NOT want this bill as is

If the polls had of asked the RIGHT question
then they would have gotten an entirely different
outcome. They do the same thing in a court of
law. A lawyer will lead the witness to get a desired
outcome or response, thank God he
has his own lawyer to object. The public answering
a poll does not. In other words, the media stacks
the deck in favor of the gov. That's the true
MISINFORMATION



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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I have looked at your profile
I have seen your posts and ur threads
and I am calling u a GOV AGENT !!!!
The proof is in ur profile, u start 2 different
threads within an hr of each other
BOTH fishing out info on Revolutionaries
to incite threatening responses.
Ur fishing techniques are straight out of the
FBI Field Manual trying to corner that lady
in divulging her location by asking her about
her local vets vs national vets.

U have been tagged !!!!! UR IT !!!



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Please please show me evidence that the majority of the people of the United States just absolutely love this abomination. Proof please thank you.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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So answer this question.

If Obama was so worried about 30 something million people not having access to health care, then why is his plan forcing you to buy insurance?
Insurance isn't the same thing as health care. The fact that you're insured doesn't mean that you're going to get health care. It means an insurance company has your back, and in this case it means and insurance company has your back only because the government tells them that they have to.

Can't doctors still put regular insurance holders on the schedule ahead of government-forced insurance buyers? Can't doctors refuse to take the government-forced insurance?

If Obama really cared then why didn't he set up a well-vested escrow fund that paid for HEALTH CARE, not insurance, for these 30 something million Americans?



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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BTW, my dad is in the health care field. He and his colleagues hate Obamacare and what it's about to do to the country. Some of his colleagues are considering reducing their work load to part-time work or retiring while others don't know what they will do yet. But he hasn't talked to a single doctor in his building yet that is happy with Obamacare.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
I have read time and time again about how the majority of americans hate
the healthcare plan. I have yet to see any proof only people who hate it
saying it is so. So tell me where are they...how come there hasn't been
a million or more protestors outside of congress when this was being voted
on? So where are the majority of americans...So far all I have heard from
are the right wingers who assume they can speak for the entire nation.
Polls are useless, I have always said that they don't show the actual numbers
just a few voices.


Here's u pics of 25,000 people outside congress
protesting Obamacare

centristnetblog.com...

wjz.com...

topics.treehugger.com...

www.allvoices.com...



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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Surely you're joking. According to the infinite wisdom of BH, those MUST be 12 disgruntled ATS members occupying more than one human body. Because no one in their right mind would oppose Obamacare.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by sos37
So answer this question.

If Obama was so worried about 30 something million people not having access to health care, then why is his plan forcing you to buy insurance?
Insurance isn't the same thing as health care.





sorry for the chuckles, haven't you been around???

Did certain people not spend the last year crying about the socialisms and government takeover of the whole industry???

Well no new massive social program and the for profit industry remains untouched.

Partisan hat off, would you have preferred a public option if one or the other was your choice?

I personally believe the mandate is because of the CLINTON association because that was a key part of Billary's plan. Only latter did Obama adopt the idea as he claimed to not like it during the Dem primaries, just my theory



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Nice way to play the race card by accusing someone else of playing it! I'm impressed.


Well, BH, Glen Beck told his audience that the race card would be played against them next. This results in many of his listeners being even more on the defensive.

He even stated today that he wants to go from 30 (includes tv, radio, and website visitors) million viewers to 90 million...if peeps could just convince 2 other's to buy his books and join his website. The man wants to help the country if you just buy a few books!

Progressives aren't the cancer in this country. GLEN BECK IS THE CANCER.

I urge people to take just one week off of Fox News. Watch how better life is without someone screaming into your living room each night,

[edit on 25-3-2010 by David9176]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:08 AM
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I'm sure you know this, but the 50 second mark came to mind

Ol Glenn could scare the chit out of a Navy Seal



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:33 AM
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I'm curious about your opinion.

Would you support cuts in a socialized medicare program in order to pay for a privatized, government-sanctioned healthcare program?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Would you support cuts in a socialized medicare program in order to pay for a privatized, government-sanctioned healthcare program?


I know u didn't ask for my opinion
but I'd like to answer this.

That all depends:
If the Medicare recipients were also getting that same
privatized, government-sanctioned healthcare coverage,
then Yes, cuz ur just switching the senior citizens over
from one plan to another with no loss in benefits.
However, if ur just planning to cut Medicare to the elderly
just to give more to other programs, then No.
just my 2 pence



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 07:41 AM
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Well still people are bending for another bill that our sold out politicians has shoved into Americas tax payer rear end.

The so call HCR is nothing but the Baucus bill (senate) bill that was written by private insurance companies.

A bill that doesn't regulate insurance companies, Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country. Only states can open their border to cross competition

And nobody is hearing or talking about the fact that insurance businesses are staying very quiet no complaining about this bill

Their stocks has raised, because they are now the new owners of tax payers lives and money.

Obama is a corporate butt kisser and he is proving to be worst that Bush was.

He will be one time president but his legacy will be a shame in the America history.



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