Obama snubbed Netanyahu for dinner with Michelle and the girls, Israelis claim , page 3
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reply posted on 25-3-2010 @ 08:34 PM by eArth33lr
From what I've heard and seen from Israeli leaders in the last 20 years is nothing short of arrogance, regardless of which party gets in. And from all the bloodshed down there that's been going on for decades, it's showing no signs of slowing down.

I'm glad Obama snubbed him. The way Israel treats the US, UN, and the rest of the world is absolutely sickening. Either they have something that threatens the rest of the world into submission, or they've infiltrated every part of every countries society, or what I don't know. I think it's about time Israel starts being accountable for itself. It would be nice if the rest of the world would just unite and send the message to Israel to get it's s**t together and quit trying to encroach on everyone elses land and leave the palestinians alone. The palestinians deserve a place to live too. It's called sharing. Something Israel needs to learn.

I am in no way anti-semetic, I'm just calling it like i see it. This has been going on for far too long now, and is holding the rest of the world back from moving on to better things and evolving. This "poor me" attitude is not working anymore.

Nothing would make me happier than to see the end of the Israeli/US alliance. Not that i want Israel to be wiped out or anything, but this undeniable blind faith support is going to bring the US down a very dark path.
They need to clean house as we all do. They cannot be trusted, they never live up to their obligations, they defy the UN and the world constantly, and are always looking to start a war with someone. This has got to stop if humanity is gonna have a chance at peace.

If there was anything good that has come out of Obama so far, this is definitely a good move.


reply posted on 25-3-2010 @ 09:11 PM by troubleshooter
reply to post by Mdv2


Are you sure Obama isn't an Australian?
Sounds like the cool kind of priorities an Australian would have.
Maybe we can declare him and honorary Aussie.




reply posted on 25-3-2010 @ 09:23 PM by OddTimeSignature
reply to post by ratcals



Well he has the spinal to treat the israelians the way they deserve...instead of the boneless previous presidents...


reply posted on 25-3-2010 @ 11:06 PM by Dock9
reply to post by SaturnFX




LOL. I didn't want to log in again and was simply browsing for a few minutes before going out

But your posts are inspired. Forced me to log-in so I could star you


reply posted on 25-3-2010 @ 11:27 PM by Dock9
reply to post by Logarock



Haaretz featured the story:

“The Prime Minister leaves America disgraced, isolated and altogether weaker than when he came,” the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz said.


and

Details emerging from Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Washington remain incomplete, but the conclusion may nonetheless be drawn that the prime minister erred in choosing to fly to the United States this week. The visit - touted as a fence-mending effort, a bid to strengthen the tenuous ties between Netanyahu and U.S. President Barack Obama - only highlighted the deep rift between the American and Israeli administrations.

The prime minister leaves America disgraced, isolated, and altogether weaker than when he came.

Instead of setting the diplomatic agenda, Netanyahu surrendered control over it. Instead of leaving the Palestinian issue aside and focusing on Iran, as he would like, Netanyahu now finds himself fighting for the legitimacy of Israeli control over East Jerusalem.


and more:


At the start of his visit, Netanyahu was tempted to bask in the warm welcome he received at the AIPAC conference, at which he gave his emotional address on Jerusalem.


But at the White House, the prime minister's speech to thousands of pro-Israel activists and hundreds of cheering congressmen looked like an obvious attempt to raise political capital against the American president.



That's an Israeli newspaper claiming Netanyahu was attempting to sway Americans and 'hundreds of US congressmen against the American president

Did you see there how 'hundreds of American congressmen cheered Netanyahu ?

Who pays those American congressment ?

WHO PAYS Israel all those billions of dollars ?


Haarezt continues:

Netanyahu even warned the Palestinians that should they continue to demand a freeze on construction, he would postpone peace talks by a year.

His (Netanyahu's) arrogant tone underscored the fact that Netanyahu believed that on the strength of his AIPAC speech, he could call the next few steps of the diplomatic dance.


Yes. That is a very widely read Israeli newspaper describing Netanyahu as 'arrogant'


and it continues:

But then calamity struck. At their White House meeting, Obama made clear to his guest that the letter Netanyahu had sent was insufficient and returned it for further corrections.

Instead of a reception as a guest of honor, Netanyahu was treated as a problem child, an army private ordered to do laps around the base for slipping up at roll call.

The Americans didn't even wait for him to leave Washington to make their disagreement known. It was not the behavior Washington shows an ally, but the kind it shows an annoyance.


More at link:

www.haaretz.com...


So those who might believe this tale should not have been broadcast could perhaps direct their complaints re: Netanyahu's humiliation to the Israeli news source, Haaretz


I'm liking Obama more and more



reply posted on 26-3-2010 @ 08:48 AM by Logarock
Originally posted by Dock9
I took the time to read the Comments at the bottom of that Haaretz article

A real eye-opener !


From now on, regardless of what anyone might state to the contrary, I am going to regard those who post and argue against Obama as Israeli Megamouth trolls



You might as well becouse you are probably seen in the reverse light. This is one of those hate them or love them issues.


But really for me I see Obamas actions in keeping with his philosophy. He sees the Palestinian question in light of his sympathies toward the "poor and oppressed" but we hardly have something here along the lines of say Tibet although one could draw some similarities...both ways.

The Arab world with all of its vast land holdings and oil wealth not to mention religious and racial issues, looks more to me like what China is doing to Tibet. In the Jerusalem case the Palestinians do not possess a clear grievance in the matter but rather have been the tool of asundry Arab interests. So I reject Obamas sympathies here primarliy becouse the forces that drive the Palestiniaian are they same that have wanted them poor and weak in order to make a better application of them.

Its clear that many who grieve about lets say american indian issues and support thier various grievances do not consider that the Jews are simply trying to reassert themselves on thier homeland say like the Sioux at Wounded Knee. The difference being that the Jews dont fit the current model of an oppressed state drawing sympathies for thier poverty or advocates because of thier weakness.


reply posted on 26-3-2010 @ 09:14 AM by Logarock
reply to post by Dock9



This brings to mind Obamas last trip to China. He went there with demands and points and whiel shown respect was reminded that he was not in a position to be bossy.

One Chinese offical even stated with some tact that "americans have to face certain realities." You know how can we tell you in a nice way that you dont have that kind of clout anymore. We practicaly own you.

So I really dont see him as having anymore understanding about the position of players in the middle east question. He wants to make demands on China while they turn red in the face out of embarrassment for him and then go over to the middle east and get back slaped, bow and scrape, genuflecting ect to assuage Arab arrogance.

So now he has a list of demands for the Jews. Oh really.


reply posted on 26-3-2010 @ 03:44 PM by Logarock
Originally posted by Mdv2
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post by CanadianDream420



That might be, but pressure from the military might also be a reason:

Did Petraeus briefing set stage for U.S.-Israel spat?


Petraeus also pointed out that progress in Middle East peace talks could seriously weaken the power of Iran:

“A credible U.S. effort on Arab-Israeli issues that provides regional governments and populations a way to achieve a comprehensive settlement of the disputes would undercut Iran’s policy of militant “resistance,” which the Iranian regime and insurgent groups have been free to exploit. Additionally, progress on the Israel-Syria peace track could disrupt Iran’s lines of support to Hamas and Hizballah…. As such, progress toward resolving the political disputes in the Levant, particularly the Arab-Israeli conflict, is a major concern for CENTCOM.”


source

Although the military is not ought to get politically involved, it is good to see that there are actually still powerful people left who do want to act in the interest of the American people, rather than that of Israel.



Syria.....as if they have been waiting around hat in hand or otherwise for peace. They hover over Lebanon like a beast injecting themselves when they see fit....killing pro Lebanese journalists and leaders that dont tow the line.....threatening real Lebanese nationalism with Hezbollah.

Lebanon only appears to be even slightly self ruled. Syria only allows this facade, its creation, for its own propaganda purposes. Maybe Israel could apply this model to Palistine for a resolution to its problems.

Anyway nothing is going to undermine Irans influence in Syria and Lebanon. Hezbollah if not used by Iran will be used by Syria anyway if for nothing else keeping Lebanon in check. Hezbollah considers Lebanon there anyway and Hezbollah is bought and paid for. Like Syria they to play the game of allowing it to look like Lebanon has a sort of democracy.

All the U.S. will do if they play the game in this article will be to become sucked into a trap. And as far as the American military presents becoming "eroded", whatever that means, Syrai and Iran need us over there if only to make themselves appear bigger than they are.
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