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Constitutional Amendment to Secede from the UNITED STATES of AMERICA

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posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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Note: This is not a "call to arms" post. I did not make any of this up, it is United States Case Law, and can easily be researched. Things they don't teach you in school.

"Constructive fraud: A contract or act, which, not originating in evil design and contrivance to perpetuate a positive fraud or injury upon other persons, yet, by its necessary tendency to deceive or mislead them, or to violate a public or private confidence, or to impair or injure public interest, is deemed equally reprehensible with positive fraud, and therefore is prohibited by law, ... "
Bovier's Law Dictionary - 1856 Edition

There is an "Original" 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution called the "Title of Nobility" Amendment that reads:

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

Nobility
source: Roget's II: The New Thesaurus

Definition: Noble rank or status by birth.
People of the highest social level.
Synonyms: birth, blood, blue blood, noblesse aristocracy, blue blood, elite, flower, gentility, gentry, patriciate, quality, upper class, who's who, Nobility
thesaurus.reference.com...

So, Dear Americans, why do we let Laywers, and Knighted people serve in Government?

1. Federal taxes and regulations are too burdensome. We agree in principle to the common defense but the USA has been a warmonger since 1812 and lied its way into two World Wars, engaged in undeclared wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Somalia and is even now engaged in imperialist misadventures around the world, none of which justify the death of even one American. This cannot be borne either financially or morally.

2. The U.S. legal system is of lawyers, by lawyers, for lawyers with lawyers on the bench, on ethics review panels and in our pockets. This legal system is cruel and inhuman punishment and cannot be endured by a free people who value justice.

Therefore, whereas the United States of America is a voluntary association, it is resolved that any state may secede from the union by the same procedures by which they originally joined.

Would any colony have agreed to join the Union if it had known it would have to fight to get out?

The Union was a creation by the states, not the other way around. The United States is a voluntary association created by the states and states have and had every right to secede. The Declaration of Independence itself provides for secession - "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government..."

Jefferson Davis in his inaugural address stated that, "the American idea [is] that governments rest on the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them at will whenever they become destructive of the ends for which they were established." Similarly President James Buchanan in his annual message to Congress in 1860 said, "The fact is that our Union rests upon public opinion and can never be cemented by the blood of its citizens...If it can not live in the affections of its people, it must die."

Under Article V of the Constitution, it notes, three-fourths of the states may abolish the federal government. Under the precedent established in Article VII, it said, fewer states can withdraw.

If a state or region wanted to secede, that would be the public sovereignty or democratic decision. The will of the people should be respected.

Furthermore, there is nothing in the Constitution preventing states from seceding - so a Constitutional Amendment should not be necessary. According to the Tenth Amendment, all non-specified rights belong to the states.

Several states delayed ratification of the Constitution and three states made clear their position regarding sovereignty by stating that "the powers of government may be resumed by the people whensoever it shall become necessary to their happiness."

Eventually, all 13 of the independent states ratified the Constitution and joined the new Union while retaining their sovereignty as states.

The states made the new central government sovereign only to the extent that the states delegated it limited and specific powers.

The Constitution is a "treaty among sovereigns" and under treaty law when one party violates its terms the other parties are automatically released from its obligations.

I think the Confederacy had the right idea...if not, why then the 14th Ammendment? Why then the marriage license? Why then all the policy laws that have been thrust upon us, a once free people, who are now not much more than slaves to the government? Oh, we would like very much to take back America without bloodshed, but is that possible? Would Obama order troops to fire on us? Or would they turn tail and run off the their Mars base? Only one way to find out, isn't there? I hope I have made you think a little......


Articles of Confederation : March 1, 1781

avalon.law.yale.edu...

The 14th Amendment

www.14thamendment.us...


Make no mistake; our freedom is very much under attack. And regardless of whether or not you’re an American, your freedom, too, is at risk. It’s the age-old fight of good vs. evil.

But there IS something we can do.

If you’re a parent, be a more Compassionate parent. If you’re a neighbor, be a truly good neighbor. If you’re a teacher, be the best teacher you can be. If you’re a writer, be an inspiring writer. No matter what your role, carry out it out with pride and excellence.

Live every part of your life with integrity and honor. Be someone who cares about things that matter—someone COMMITTED to making a difference.

Let your work and your life be your masterpiece.

The world is made better by people with the courage and drive to go after their dreams. After all, it was a dream that created freedom and this Republic. All great things have been the result of someone following their dream. And when we follow our dreams, we inspire others to do the same.

Not sure where to start? Just pick one and start there. You can’t go wrong doing good works. Eventually you’ll find something that fires your spirit with enthusiasm. You’ll know when you’re on the right road.

Freedom has never been cheap or easy. To expect that it will become so is naïve.
It’s incumbent upon each of us to make the best use of the talents and abilities we have. The times demand it. We must be responsible. We must be accountable. We owe it to ourselves and to those who’ll come after us to overcome evil with greatness. Our very freedom is at stake.

Let us never become complacent. Let us never rest upon what we’ve achieved. Let us always remember that we can easily lose what we have.




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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I also do not think the States need a Constitutional Amendment in order to secede.

The misstep that the southern states took when seceding before was the Attack on Fort Sumter. The south's militias attacked a fort in the south still held by U.S. government military personnel.

If states are to secede today they need to play it cool, peaceful, play it like Gandhi.

If Canadian provinces only need a 50% majority vote for the province to leave the Canadian government why shouldn't U.S. states have the same right? Are U.S. citizens less free than Canadians?

The latest Rasmussen poll showed that 61% of the public feels that the Federal Government no longer has consent of the governed with another 18% undecided.

If States started voting to secede I do not think there is much the Federal Government could do to stop it without looking like the tyrannical Chinese government in their squabble with Taiwan. The key is peaceful secession, that even if U.S. Federal Government military personnel kept bases open and refused to leave or tried other pressure tactics, the citizens of the seceding state would need to put continual peaceful pressure on the Feds to leave without resorting to violence.

Eventually the Feds and the public in the rest of the nation would tire of the whole issue and give up, the seceding states would get their freedom. It might take 5, 10, or 20 years but eventually the seceding states would get their freedom in its entirety.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 10:01 AM
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Whichever State decides to secede from the union and adopts the Constitution as it's governing document, I will live there. It is the right of the people to reject tyranny in any form. The present government is just that.

Lincoln held the union together by force in the civil war, yet even as a child, I always wondered where he got that authority. That's how simple it is of a matter to contemplate.

And State has the right by majority vote to abolish it's participation in the union of States called " The United States ".

And I hope they do.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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Thanks for the good, positive replies, this is how I feel also. A peaceful secession from the CORPORATION UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Here is what the True American People, not the 14th Amendment "citizens," but those who think of themselves as Sovereign, Free Individuals, residents of say the Republic of Ohio, to use my own State as an example. What is a 14th Amendment citizen, you ask?


I am NOT a 14th Amendment U.S. citizen!!
I AM NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF!!

I can not be made to comply with any legislated law that is not legislated as "Positive Law". Check the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, clauses 17 & 18. Because I am not a 14th Amendment Federal citizen, ONLY clause 18 applies to me!!

Let’s look at the 14th Amendment, "All Persons" - I am not a "person", never have been and never will be - born or naturalized in the United States - I was neither born or naturalized in the United States, I was born in the Sovereign union state, Arkansas - and subject to the jurisdiction thereof - note the word "and", it does not say “is”, that means some people are and some people are not; I AM NOT!! - are citizens of the United States and of the State - the word state is not a proper noun and should not be capitalized, the term “citizen” is and should be “Citizen:! - in which they reside. - I do not reside anywhere therefore I am not a resident. You can not be a state Citizen and a resident at the same time, if you are a resident then you are a Federal Subject!!

Just for chucks, lets take a look at Article III, Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, - If the founders were referring to treason against the government, they would have said government and used the singular pronoun its instead of the plural pronoun them! This means that ONLY the government can commit treason against the states united! We the people can not commit treason against the government!! - or adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort!! - For the third time the founders used a plural pronoun. That is clear evidence of their intent!!

Now for the Tenth Article of Amendment (The Bill of Rights are Articles in addition to the Constitution, they do not amend anything in the original! Amendments (changes to) start at Eleven). “The powers not designated to the United States ( when the Constitution was written there was only one definition of the United States and that was the union of states, or the states united.) , nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” - It does not read “to the States or to the people respectively”

From the Declaration of Independence:

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” source



"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I
can do something. And because I cannot do everything, I will
not refuse to do the something that I can do. What I can do,
I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of God,
I will do." - Edward Everett Hale

Secession should be on everyone's lips, for the following reasons. We have been taxed to death. The Banks have traded our mortgages on Wall St. and lost all of the value of those homes, which are not worthless. They have put new computer systems in our cars that control them, and offer control to someone else in a remote place. Not to mention GPS spy capability in real time, coupled with the ability to shut down your vehicle anytime TPTB want it to be shut down. They have dumbed down our children to the point of stupidity, and got them all hooked on speed and video games, while the beat of jungle music beats in the ears at exactly 450 mz, the actual frequency of the human brain. Curiously so, cell phones also operate on this same frequency.

I think I can speak for us all when I say America is tired of the crap being shoved down our throats by NASA, NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, and all of the other operatives with a sinister agenda. We are tired of losing our homes to bankers, and we are tired of only hearing what YOU deem it necessary for us to hear. (talking heads on TV) We are tired of treasonous, greedy career politicians, and we are tired of money-bags lobbyists buying our Congressmen and Senators, all of whom seem to be for sale. We are tired of professional attorneys running our fair country. We are tired of law by edict, and law by statute, and we are tiered of your enforcers bulling us around. We are tired of the electronic mind control waves we are bombarded with every day. We are tired of YOU trying to take away our guns, our freedoms, and our children to fight in YOUR illegal wars over the control of the international drug trafficking trade.
We quit.



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 04:10 AM
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I'm ready to secceed. This country has been downhill since Bush 41 and furthermore, since the beginning of the 20th century with the progressive movement. Regan has been our only good president in the past century.



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