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Russian 'Nuke' Bombers Invade British Airspace

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posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by Now_Then
 


Remember this is the same RAF which defended Britian from German Luftwafe, outnumberd 10 to 1.

Them Russians havnt got a chance, if they did drop a bomb our nuke subs would be surrounding russia in minutes.

Oh and along with 100's of US bomber and European soldiers on there border.


Hard to say. There is launch on warning, launch under attack, and retaliation after ride out. I think Putin intends to resupply Iran if something starts up there. He doesn't want his resupply forces to be taken out by precision munitions.

The bombers may not be nuclear, but have Oniks missiles. Dropped from the air, they are unstoppable and can sink any fleet.




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:34 AM
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Wonder what the Russian response would be if we shot it down..... our response should be, whoops, we were testing a new missile over the Atlantic. We weren't expecting you guys here!



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:37 AM
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To be quite honet i think its a little bit ridiculous. If i were in charge and i knew an enemy aircraft was in our airspace and they weren't talking and refused to turn around, i'd shoot the bastard down. Enemy country be damned. They send it into our airspace, it gets shot down... ESPECIALLY an enemy NUKE carrying aircraft.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:46 AM
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What would happen if we did that to them?

We do, just not at 60,000ft but rather up in Space with the Satellite gear we have. MI5/MI6 don't just sit around twiddling their thumbs while other countries advance their technologies you know.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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Perspective.

Just because its capable of carrying nuclear weapons, it doesn't mean it had them on board.

Chances are in fact, that at least on of the planes was packed with ELINT equipment, picking up signals, measuring alert times etc.

These ferret flights are common practice. The US does it constantly to the Russians and Chinese (and no doubt the Iranians) and never stopped even when the cold war was seen to be over.

The UK has, in the past, overflown Russian territory - before the American U2 was flying modified Canberra bombers flew over Russian on reconaissance missions.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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Its more something that the Russians do to test their equipment against us. I guess that we pretty much stopped our training missions after the end of the cold war, and so did Russia for awhile, but they have since recommenced them:


Tuesday, April 25, 2006
A senior Russian air force commander has claimed that new, upgraded Tu-160 bomber aircraft were unchallenged by US air defense systems when they penetrated a radar zone near the Canadian coast in US territory during an April training exercise, reports the Russian news agency RIA Novosti.

Saturday, September 30, 2006
Russian bombers penetrate N. American buffer zone
A new U.S. push for greater Russian military openness collided with Cold War habits last week as Russian long-range bombers flew within 15 miles of U.S. airspace off Alaska, Denver Post website reported.Fully-armed U.S. fighter jets responded, intercepting the two bombers.

October 02, 2007
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Russian warplanes staged at least seven exercises outside U.S. airspace near Alaska this summer, and each time U.S. or Canadian fighter jets were dispatched to escort them, U.S. military officials said Monday.
The latest exercise came Sept. 19 and involved two planes flying somewhere off the coast of Canada, said Maj. Allen Herritage, a spokesman for the Alaska region of the North American Aerospace Defense Command.


BTW we used to penetrate their airspace pretty regularly as well back during the cold war if you recall that was what the U-2 and SR71 were originally designed to do. Our B-52’s used to practice highspeed low level runs in the upper US, and I recall seeing them flying just over the treetops when I was a kid up there.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by DaRAGE
To be quite honet i think its a little bit ridiculous. If i were in charge and i knew an enemy aircraft was in our airspace and they weren't talking and refused to turn around, i'd shoot the bastard down. Enemy country be damned. They send it into our airspace, it gets shot down... ESPECIALLY an enemy NUKE carrying aircraft.


If you did this today I would estimate there would be about an 80% chance of like 20 nukes landing at various locations around the globe within the hour - and if things didn't go just right who knows how the rest of that day would snowball out of control. - But I can bet you would be waking up to a vastly different world tomorrow.

The cold war never really went away.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by DaRAGE
To be quite honet i think its a little bit ridiculous. If i were in charge and i knew an enemy aircraft was in our airspace and they weren't talking and refused to turn around, i'd shoot the bastard down. Enemy country be damned. They send it into our airspace, it gets shot down... ESPECIALLY an enemy NUKE carrying aircraft.



Didn't the Russians do the same to the US when Gary Powers entered Russian Airspace in his U2?

The shot him down, one rule for them and another for us is not right!



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by john124
Wonder what the Russian response would be if we shot it down..... our response should be, whoops, we were testing a new missile over the Atlantic. We weren't expecting you guys here!


It worked with that Iranian flight back in the 80's...

:-S



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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I am reminded of a "Big Brother" argument.... You shouldnt have a problem with it unless you have something to hide. I am sure it is all innocent unless the U.K has done something they shouldnt have.


Sorry, they (the Russians) are out of line. I was irate when Russian subs were just off our coast. They sure are pushing buttons lately.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by mrsdudara
I was irate when Russian subs were just off our coast. They sure are pushing buttons lately.


I'm curious

How do you think they feel when its done to them by US armed forces?



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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This reminds me of the movie "Signs" (2002), the scene where Merrill is talking to the Army recruiter about the aliens:



SFC Cunningham: It's called "probing". It's a military procedure. You send in a reconnaissance group, very small... to check things out. Not to engage, but to evaluate the situation... evaluate the level of danger. Make sure things are all clear.
Merrill: Clear for what?
SFC Cunningham: For the rest of them.


[edit on 25-3-2010 by harrytuttle]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Interesting thought.

But if thats the case why hasn't the USA invaded Russia - considering the fact that it has carried out ferret flights against the Soviet Union/Russia virtually every day since the beginning of the Cold War?



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Now_Then

Originally posted by minkey53
Do we have any long range heavy bombers similar to the Ruskies? The Vulcan was retired ages ago.


No we don't... Our only bombers are the fighter bombers (Tornado and now the Typhoon) - We actually don't have any need really, our nuke deterrent is 100% submarine based with ICBM's.

I think there was an option once to launch an ICBM from a Nimrod, not any more... Don't forget that we are good buddies with the US and they have dotted missile silo's in the UK and Europe and we also have a variety of American aircraft stationed both in the UK and Europe - who know's maybe a B-2?

Any way this is a pretty regular thing - Those Blackjacks are quite some aircraft, they can loiter and sprint, they are jam packed with electrical gear to jam, confuse and feel out the enemy, they can hang around a target all day just feeling out for a vulnerability and then they can punch in at supersonic speed and drop the bucket of sunshine.

One or 2 of those things is no problem for the RAF, a whole bunch of them playing the shell game would be a different story, our interceptors would be run ragged and it's very easy to see a couple of targets going up in a mushroom cloud.


Did the US really station silos in the UK? (as in ICBM silo's), I was aware of land based cruise missiles at Greenham common (actually they were hidden in the Bentwaters US airbase adjacent to Rendlesham Forest, which is fascinating for several reasons).

US Silos is the UK is new to me and a potentially interesting source of research, however I've found little evidence that this actually occurred, however it wouldn't surprise me (i'm thinking about that legendary US military film of a horizontal MX missile launch tube bursting up through a tarmac road to a vertical launch position. (obviously the MX missile never actually went operational.....shame to lose the covert launch tube concept though)

Regarding possible probing of Russia's air defence network. The UK's lack of a long range strategic bomber (let's not kid ourselves, we are not important / rich / stupid? enough to need one) means that it's more likely that commercial airlines (most likely flag carriers like BA?) are covertly fitted with ELINT gear. This is a tatic that has been used before.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Catalytic]

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Catalytic]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Not that I doubt you one bit, but I missed that bit of news. When did that happen here recently?



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Catalytic
Did the US really station silos in the UK? (as in ICBM silo's), I was aware of land based cruise missiles at Greenham common (actually they were hidden in the Bentwaters US airbase adjacent to Rendlesham Forest, which is fascinating for several reasons).

US Silos is the UK is new to me and a potentially interesting source of research, however I've found little evidence that this actually occurred


It did, between '59 and '63

Thor Missile Deployment

The UK toyed with its own ICBM project as well Blue Streak which was then adapted to form part of the (cancelled) British space programme which was to be based at RAF Spadeadam

Not alot of people know about this stuff



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Thank you, a dragons horde of treasure there.

For those who haven't seen the 'road burster' MX launch tube that I spoke about before...
MX ICBM buried trench test

It's the kind of solution Q from the bond movies would come up with if asked to hide ICBM's



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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I would have a second thought about trying to bomb a nuke bomb... think about it... lol



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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US ferret flights against Russia have occurred on a regular basis since the start of the Cold War. While the Russians stopped their ferret flights after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the US carried on with theirs.

US subs position themselves off the Soviet coast, track their missile subs and also carry out ELINT missions.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 04:20 PM
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Good. I hope this helps disitigrate globalization* Makes us all realize why we need to take care of our own countrys first, and ar eason to protect and fight for the right reasons, instead of corporate americas evil ways.



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