Ok people, time to sober up.
Everybody's riled up about the recent health-care reform bill, many assumptions are being tossed about and as we ALL should know, some of those
assertions (on all sides) are WRONG. It doesn't end there though, even if an assertion is wrong a REACTION might be as well- for instance, you may
disagree with a part of the bill, but on a scale from "Doesn't matter" to "It's the end of the WORLD!", too many people have TIPPED the freaking
scales beyond any knowledge, logic, rationality, or common sense! I also think it's safe to say that no matter where you stand on this bill you have
BOTH likes and dislikes about it.
We are all here because we share an interest in important and/or obscure news/information, truth, improving our world, and getting to the BOTTOM of
things, right? Well let's actually DO THAT. In this thread I DEMAND that you behave as a scientist or true journalist would behave while studying
this entire situation- be objective, don't be blind, but be objective and REALISTIC when researching the matter and assessing EXACTLY what the
outcome will actually be and then whether that outcome is acceptable on its own AND within the full context of things. This is NOT the thread for
propaganda, bickering, fear-mongering, false information, or un-sourced/baseless beliefs. This is a thread for a SCIENTIFIC discussion of the
health-care reform bill.
Here we will bring our own sources of ACTUAL knowledge on the issue, and expert analysis of it.
Here you must SHED your pre-concieved notions of what health-care is, no matter how passionately you SUPPORT or REJECT it. I'm very serious about
that. If you consider yourself a REAL truth-seeker you MUST be willing to abandon your entire belief system and anything/everything you thought you
knew, no matter WHERE that leads you. Whether that leads you to reject/resist the system or embrace/trust it or a LOGICAL COMBINATION (most likely) of
the two. We must be patient and thorough and not jump to conclusions in any direction. We must suspend disbelief as well as blind faith (in any
opinion) before we draw serious conclusions on a serious thing.
I will start things off by posting a few relevant links. I'll leave the rest to a discussion amongst us all retaining respect for one another.
Instead of BATTLING (gang vs. gang) over our points of contention we must FIND those points, PAUSE before reacting, and then move from there TOGETHER
in order to find the truth on those points. Too many of the conversations I see on here involve an eagerness to find points of contention and then
STOPPING to visciously/pointlessly battle over them (either by one side or multiple sides) without maturely discovering the truth side-by-side as
investigators simply with different hypotheses. Here I demand that EVERYBODY suspend their reptilian desire to battle and rather be civil when
discussing and seeking the truth on the bill no matter WHERE it leads you. This bill could be good for us, bad for us, good for certain
people/organizations, bad for certain people/organizations, or a more watered down combination of BOTH/ALL (most likely once again). But please do not
try too hard to reinforce your slant but be open to sound information and any credible reality.
Keep in mind these quotes which should be part of the BACKBONE of your truth-seeking:
“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all
- Rene Descartes
“On the mountains of truth you can never climb in vain: either you will reach a point higher up today, or you will be training your
powers so that you will be able to climb higher tomorrow.”
- Friedrich Nietzsche
And one that should tickle your backbone to keep you realistic:
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”
Now without further ado, I will present these links on health-care reform which I found to be informative and sober on the matter. Yes they have a
non-alarmist stance on the reform bill, though they present what seems to be sound information from credible sources (if they TRULY aren't then
provide concrete proof, but otherwise heed them at least in part). Simply a starting point with FACTS:
Health care reform bill 101: Who gets subsidized insurance?
How the Health Care Overhaul Could Affect You
Health Reform Subsidy Calculator -- Premium Assistance for Coverage in Exchanges/Gateways
Though it may be difficult once you read this intro and get into the actual conversation- please REMEMBER that we are generally all more similar than
different. We all have the same concerns in life, the same general situations and emotions, and we all just want to find the truth and have others
acknowledge that truth when we share it with them. Also remember- don't battle on points of contention but rather view them as an opportunity to
explore (or re-explore) them TOGETHER as a team regardless of disagreements.
[edit on 25-3-2010 by NoHierarchy]