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posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
So no one is willing to comment on this thread? No surprise.


Well, I was going to respond but I had to quit laughing at this quote from you first:


I also want to make it clear that if there is to be a revolution or civil war because of your total disregard for anyone besides yourself I will fight you back. The left will fight just as hard as you.




Fight? The "peace party"? The people that are afraid of guns, don't own any or know how to even use them are going to fight. How and with what?

Let's hope none of this comes to a revolution, but you raise a valid question in your OP regarding immigration reform. If the dems move on to trying to pass by subterfuge and/or bribery (same as they did with obamacare) some immigration bill that basically gives this country away to illegals, it will only fan the flames and they will in effect be asking for whatever happens after that.

And get it straight - once and for all - the left has its own share of "flame fanners" such as Keith Olbermann.


Try this MSNBC host as another example:

article/video



[edit on 3/25/2010 by centurion1211]




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by hawkiye
 


I am hoping you are not as dumb as you seem. When you are allowed to get a license..you are to follow the traffic laws made by the government. So yeh...the cop has a right to take you to court..if you broke the law.

346.04 Obedience to traffic officers, signs and signals;
fleeing from officer.

(2) No operator of a vehicle shall disobey the instructions of
any official traffic sign or signal unless otherwise directed by a
traffic officer.

and

346.46 Vehicles to stop at stop signs and school
crossings. (1) Except when directed to proceed by a traffic
officer or traffic control signal, every operator of a vehicle
approaching an official stop sign at an intersection shall cause
such vehicle to stop before entering the intersection and shall yield
the right−of−way to other vehicles which have entered or are
approaching the intersection upon a highway which is not controlled
by an official stop sign or traffic signal.
(2) Stops required by sub. (1) shall be made in the following
manner:
(a) If there is a clearly marked stop line, the operator shall stop
the vehicle immediately before crossing such line.
(b) If there is no clearly marked stop line, the operator shall
stop the vehicle immediately before entering the crosswalk on the
near side of the intersection.
(c) If there is neither a clearly marked stop line nor a marked
or unmarked crosswalk at the intersection or if the operator cannot
efficiently observe traffic on the intersecting roadway from the
stop made at the stop line or crosswalk, the operator shall, before
entering the intersection, stop the vehicle at such point as will
enable the operator to efficiently observe the traffic on the intersecting
roadway.


When you get your license...these are the rules you agree to abide by.


Again it only seems dumb due to your mental challenges . As I said I have no contract with the corporation so am not obligated to follow thier corporate statutes. Statutes are not laws they are corporate policy. However I doubt you will understand any of that considering your previous displays of mental capacity or lack thereof.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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So let me get this straight. Just because an MSNBC host calls for socialism he is fanning the flames? The last time I checked the left was not very angry and they were not out protesting for socialism. So what flames is he fanning exactly?

Edit to add: I loved that video thanks!
I 100% agree with Ed, it's time for Socialism. Democrats should be socialists, Republicans Neocons and Tea Partiers Libertarianism.

[edit on 3/25/10 by Misoir]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by centurion1211
 


So let me get this straight. Just because an MSNBC host calls for socialism he is fanning the flames? The last time I checked the left was not very angry and they were not out protesting for socialism. So what flames is he fanning exactly?


So let me get this straight. People like you pretend here that Fox News hosts are calling for armed revolution - and just because you pretend it's true, that's a big deal.

But on the other hand someone you agree with actually is recorded suggesting a form of government that EVERY poll would show a majority of Americans are against, and that's no big deal.


Edit to add: I loved that video thanks!
I 100% agree with Ed, it's time for Socialism. Democrats should be socialists, Republicans Neocons and Tea Partiers Libertarianism.

[edit on 3/25/10 by Misoir]


Another sad example of "credibility suicide".



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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Look man the Left have its people who spread the flames and lies... You said Beck and Palin were flaming hate prove i, or is this another lefty lie???
t...


How about this link.... www.youtube.com...

or this www.youtube.com...

[edit on 25-3-2010 by poedxsoldiervet]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Misoir
 


Look man the Left have its people who spread the flames and lies... You said Beck and Palin were flaming hate prove i, or is this another lefty lie???t...


All it takes is to watch them. Anyone with a brain knows they are using dangerous rhetoric. The left is not using dangerous rhetoric unless you think, "I'm glad they passed this bill" is dangerous rhetoric.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Pass what your smoking you make accuastions but you have no proof... Yes sir you are true liberal...

Heres your beloved goofy olberman trying to tie fox news to the tiller killing.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Don't worry, Misor, in a couple of years when the Republican Party is back in the White House (no revolution on the horizon!) and the wrecking the crap out of every even more, it will be cool to sympathize with Democrats again.

There are quite a few around here who pretend to be enlightened but don't realize that they're still spiraling down in the Democrats Vs. Republicans whirlpool.

Hey! How about a third, fourth and fifth party, people! We're enabling those jokers in DC to continue! We have the power to end this without violence!



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye
Again it only seems dumb due to your mental challenges . As I said I have no contract with the corporation so am not obligated to follow thier corporate statutes. Statutes are not laws they are corporate policy. However I doubt you will understand any of that considering your previous displays of mental capacity or lack thereof.

Wow... just wow. I've been following the conversation on this thread for a while now, and this has to be strangest retort I've seen on ATS in months.

You actually insult the other poster by calling them mentally challenged, then follow that up by saying that you are not obliged to follow State driving statutes because they are just "corporate policies"????? And you don't have a contract with the "corporation"????

Not sure where you got your law degree, but I know where mine came from and your just wrong as wrong can be. I mean flat-dead-level-absolutely Wrong.

But don't take my word for it. Try this little experiment:
Go to the center of your town tonight after the streets have cleared. Now drive up and down the main street at excess speeds and ignore all traffic lights or stop signs.

(Remember, in your mind, there is no one around and therefore you are not "oppressing" your neighbors, right? And, according to you, you don't have to follow the traffic statutes because they are only "corporate policies" right?)

Now, here's the fun part. When the police come and pull you over and haul you into jail, you can explain to them that they can't arrest you, because you're not under contract with the "corporation." ----Go ahead try it out!!!'


Just so we're clear: Driving is a privilege not a right... that's why everyday in this country thousands of people lose that privilege for disobeying the State LAWS - which are codified in the statutes.

That's where I come in and represent them to the courts against the DA's who prosecute them on behalf of the State. The courts then will adjudicate the sentences.

This entire process from the right to representation to the guarantees to face your accuser and against wrongful imprisonment or prosecution are all guaranteed by the Constitution, which is in fact the LAW of the land and is a "contract" we all agree to live under "in order to form a more perfect union."

Phew... glad we got that straight. Class dismissed.

-Peace
AAH

**Edit for style.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Artephius Abraxas Helios]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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There is no difference, whatsoever between the sensationalism of your post and that of the people you named. You are doing the exact same thing. If you can't see that, the bad guys win. You have been controlled and on top of that, you are ready to help them remove Free Speech from our society.

The Right wants to convince people that the Left is out to destroy Capitalism and create a Nanny Society.

The Left wants to convince people the Right are a bunch of crazed people running around waving guns and wearing white hoods.

Both are full of it. Both are simply looking for votes. Both want to control you and force you to live as they want you to live. Both are the same people our ancestors came here to escape.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
What about the police? If they are privatized wouldn't more arrests mean more money, and wouldn't that mean police would look for more reasons to arrest people? What about the prisons? If they are privatized wouldn't they make more money by having more inmates? I think you get where I'm going with this, they would all be working together to make more money. It would not be good at all.[edit on 3/25/10 by Misoir]


Glad you brought that up. There are a lot of private prisons around these days. I know because I have a family member that does drug testing at these facilities. And your exactly right, they get paid per prisoner. As you are probably aware, the government doesn't have a problem hiring private security firms to enforce the law. Like Blackwater after Hurricane Katrina. I won't even get into the gun grab that happened.

Anyway, do you not realize that the Justice System has grown into such a monster that it is self perpetuating? What would become of all the attorneys and federal agents, local law enforcement, judges if the war on drugs alone was stopped. The money would dry up and they would not be able to support the system. Herein lies the danger of big government. We have the highest prison population of most of the world and they still need more prisoners for the new private prisons being constructed.

About the big government issue. We all know how bad the debt is. However, the government can't see reducing its size and capital expenditures. No, they just pass an unconstitutional law that subverts 1/6 of the entire US economy. They take over banks, car companies, and forbid certain people from making too much money in bonuses! Why do you think the government has any right to determine what a free person makes from his labors. And I am not even talking about taxes. The BIG Government is a monster out of control. It needs more and more capital and there is no more for it to take. I can hardly wait to see what legislation they pass next to try and squeeze more money out of the businesses that we all need to provide for a living. The federal government can not continue in the way it is now. Come on, China is laughing at the US as we have diplomats grovel for money to sell their bonds to. It is going to collapse and what we see right now are the death throws of the US Government. It does not have the ability to even pay for legislation it has passed already and there is a lot more coming from this administration. The Big Government your so proud of has bankrupted Social Security, Medicare, Postal Service, etc and now you want these fools to take over the health system? How much damage is enough for you. We won't need a revolution because the government will fold and collapse on itself. States that follow the socialist templates like California are also bankrupt. The system is crashing. The revolution will actually be a rebuilding party the way they are going now. And the entitlement crowd are hopelessly delusional. I have heard on TV certain people claim Obama was going to make their house payments, grocery bills, car notes, etc. It isn't going to happen. Not when the country is not only teetering on collapse, but the BIG government is making it virtually impossible for the corporations and businesses to be competitive with countries like China or India. With all these entitlement legislation plans like health care the government will cause business and corporations to fold up their tent and move out across the border where they can be competitive.

And the police state will evolve to help grow the two industries the federal government can actually make a profit from, war and imprisonment. That is why your liberties are being taken away. You just can't see it coming for all the gifts the government is promising you. It is called misdirection! Keep thinking all this free stuff is coming when the nation is still in debt up to their eyeballs and there is no end in sight. The IRS just ordered a huge load of shiny new shotguns. Who do you think they feel they need to use those on? They plan to take and take until the US is reduced to a 3rd world country. The US citizens have too high a quality of life. Now that is Global Social Justice! And the change you will learn to believe in!




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