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I also want to make it clear that if there is to be a revolution or civil war because of your total disregard for anyone besides yourself I will fight you back.
You speak of it as a right/left issue but it isn't. IT NEVER HAS BEEN!
How typical of a 'constitution lover' to paint me as a communist. Then say we live in a social democracy. That's just hilarious!
The problem is that in America the culture is pure selfishness and anything short of me-me-me is considered socialism and communism. The founding fathers made Americas constitution the way it is because we were farmers and lived in the country. We did take care of each other voluntarily and there was no me-me-me bulls**t. That is not the case today, today it's about me-me-me and of course you will support libertarianism which means I will be selfish and I will allow you to be selfish too, the law will be that everyone's allowed to be selfish to make sure I can always keep what I have.
Socialism means caring for other people and we don't interpret taxation with representation as theft, but of course you won't agree because you will bitch and cry about someone taking your money. Why don't you ask all the libertarian countries are doing? Somalia seems like a good place to start or even Estonia. Of course we all know those two countries are succeeding.
Yes it is...it always has been...and it always will be. And you are a pawn in that game. You have been used...you are being led by the nose and you don't even realize it. This is why none of you revolutionaries know WHAT you are fighting for besides vague concepts that you don't have a solid specific definition for.
Originally posted by Misoir
Many of you on ATS are supporters of revolution against the government; you see it as the enemy.
Originally posted by Misoir
What we are beginning to see is a scary rise of lunatics and many are right here on ATS, some of you scare the hell out of me and when I hear about these attacks I can't help but think that this kind of stuff could be caused by some of the rhetoric right here on ATS.
Originally posted by Misoir
I will not get applause for my thread from people who will call me a government agent, a socialist or the enemy. You support a revolution and the overthrow or radical changing of our government to fit what you deem as correct.
Originally posted by Misoir
I also want to make it clear that if there is to be a revolution or civil war because of your total disregard for anyone besides yourself I will fight you back. The left will fight just as hard as you. If you want your revolution it won't just be the government you are fighting you will have to fight the left because we damn sure won't go quietly. We will fight you from Phoenix to Washington. We won't back down, I won't back down. This country belongs to us, all American people, not just you and your political ideology. You better be ready for us to fight you, it won't be as easy as you wish.
Originally posted by Misoir
I must ask a question to all constitutionalists who want a revolution. What will you do about the millions of liberals after the revolution?
Will you give them voting rights? Will you ban their parties from the electoral process? Will you do the gulags? What do you plan on doing with the liberals and socialists?
Originally posted by Misoir
The problem is that in America the culture is pure selfishness ...(snip) That is not the case today, today it's about me-me-me and of course you will support libertarianism which means I will be selfish and I will allow you to be selfish too, the law will be that everyone's allowed to be selfish to make sure I can always keep what I have.
Socialism means caring for other people and we don't interpret taxation with representation as theft, but of course you won't agree because you will bitch and cry about someone taking your money.
The only way for them to vote and for their party to abide strictly by the constitution is for them to not have a party. That is the only option which would mean we are no longer a free country.
So the right to not be plundered and stolen from under color of law is a vague concept?
The right to travel without interference is a vague concept?
The right to make a living and keep all the fruits of my labors without being extorted under color of law is vague?
The right to be secure on my person and property?
The right to not be harassed for growing certain kinds of plants?
On the contrary it is you socialist commies
Originally posted by Misoir
What would you do about the corporations limitless powers?
What would you do about the limitless greed of bankers and CEO's?
What would you do about the safety of consumer items?
What would you do about the protection of the workers?
What would you do about the growing income inequality?
What would you do about the power of corporations in government; lobbying, contributions, etc...?
What would you do about the poor/unemployed/underemployed?
Originally posted by Misoir
I understand what you're saying. But what about the people who are for big government?