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Democrats Fear Violent Backlash to Illegal Healthcare Legislation

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posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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Who cares if you buy it. It's the fact of the matter. That is what happened.

I could really give a flying
if you believe it or not, those are the facts at hand, that is what the POTUS did in order to get the votes needed to pass this bill.

This one of the issues that Obama was voted in for. While this bill is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. It does in my opinion lay the framework down that does benefit people.

What I can't stand is that most people haven't bothered to read this bill. It is long, but that is not an excuse for people on ATS. It's obvious that people here can read. So listening to FOX and Rush and Republicans isn't going to tell you the real story.




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by inthesticks
 
Just a hint, I used that term and the mods called it political trolling, cost me 1000 points and 2 warnings. Apparently you can insult anyone but the Dems. Word play on Obamas name is the most hienous thing you can do on here now, followed by the name of his party, I'd go back and edit it before someone turns you in.

Hmmmm........

Here's a conspiracy theory for you.

Maybe there are spooks in black suits looking over "someones" shoulders, if word-play on Obama's name is called trolling????



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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I have actually read your previous posts where you categorically denounce Fascism and yet you approve of actions that could easily be construed as that of a dictator - How do you reason that. I'm not being smart alec here I really am curious as to how you wrap your head around this.

I mean the mentality appears to be lets do something - even if its wrong

Maybe I'm missing something here - help me understand how you rationalize this - and lets be gentlemen about it. This is not an attack.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by guyopitz
I just don't understand you Republican supporters at all. What do you see in your party as good? 8 years of W. Bush left us with an economy in critical condition, anti-american sentiment all over the world, They lied about WMD's to get us involved in endless war, torture, the Patriot act stripping away a huge chunk of our privacy and our right to not be searched without cause etc they were involved in massive war profiteering in Iraq I mean the list goes on and on and on and on until I want to throw up all over my keyboard.

What's Borack Obama done?..answer

I voted for Obama. He seems like a decent family man, a well spoken natural born leader, capable of compromise and diplomacy. He has improved America's reputation around the world. He called the bankers 'Fatcats' I love that. How can you hate on this guy. Obamas my man, I'd high five him and say good job dude, you did the best you could with a country nearly destroyed by insane neocons.

And how about Rush Limbaugh saying he would leave the country if Health Care passed? I don't see it happening yet. Get out of America you racist pillhead. Go live on a boat in international waters and do pirate radio.



DUDE! Put DOWN the Kool Aid - you've had enough! LEt's take a look at what Mao-Bama has done... He has INCREASED the deficit more than any other president. No, wait... he's increased the deficit more than ALL of the other presidents COMBINED! He has NOT improved America's standing in the world - quite the contrary! He has created strife and rifts with not only allies, but has antogonized our supposed "enemies". Marking his characteristic duplicity, he called the bankers "fat cats" while passing another $700 BILLION stimulus to continue to bail them out. He has enacted FASCIST legislation to take over PRIVATE industry; including screwing over secured creditors in the Chrystler deal while helping the UNSECURED creditors because they were his union supporters. He has continued EVERY single failed Bush policy: Patriot Act renewed, 2 illegal wars continue to rage unabated, Guantanamo still open and torturing prisoners, more executive orders restricting freedom etc... He has even furthered the agenda to include mandatory DNA sampling for ANY arrest, even if you are innocent! He has taken NO steps to curb the job losses, reduce foreclosures or provide relief to the middle class - in fact, the healthcare bill will put the rest of the mdidle class under water with all of the hidden taxes and fees. To add insult to injury, he continues to push for amnesty despite the fact that over 3/4 of the country oppose it! The border with Mexico remains WIDE open. NAFTA, a campaign platform for him, remains totally unaddressed and the massive off-shoring and outsourcing of American jobs continues without any discussion. He is in support of Geithner and Bernankes plan to give the Federal Reserve MORE control over the banks as opposed to reigning them all in! I could go on and on for pages!

To be clear, the Republicans are NO better - not one bit. They are ALL rotten to the core. Your partisan support is what is killing America. You need to look THROUGH the fog, drop the partisan pretenses and use your God-given brain to sort through the truth and deny the propaganda. We're ALL here to help you with that.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:12 AM
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Someone needs to link the Ron Paul video explaining how both parties act.

Ron Paul said something similar to this.

"You go out and vote for Republicans so they will lower your taxes, reduce Federal Government, so then the Republicans don't do either. Then you go and elect Democrats because they promise you social programs while raising your taxes, then you act surprised because the Democrats do exactly what they said they were going to do."

This is Change folks, you voted for Change, and your getting Change. Stop your bitching, and enjoy the Change, because it is different, and different is apparently good. Nobody mentioned all European countries had to pass Value Added Taxes to pay for their health care program, so I hope you all enjoy that tax here in 4-8 years when our Government deems it necessary.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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S&F, Doc Velocity strikes again.

The country teeters on the brink of civil war, everybody but the people have been bailed out of their financial woes and the Washington hirelings serve up the middle finger salute. My, what exciting times we live in.

To be fair to the Dems hiding behind their sofas and under their beds, it didn't matter a tittle that they were the "ones". Had it been the Republicans in charge it may have looked different but the result would have been the same.

Every piece of legislation coming out of Washington should come with a tube of KY Jelly cause their gonna stick it in ya where the sun don't shine. That goes for either party.

I fear the worst part of this will be when we get to see what all came with Obamacare as part of the deal making. The health care abortion may only be the tip of the iceberg.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:17 AM
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I could not agree more!!!!!!



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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Good post. Star/Flag.

Could not agree with you more, OP! These treasonous rat-bastard quislings ought to be hiding under their desks with the rest of the rodent parasites!

Boehner's comments really do show his "controlled opposition hand." He and many other Repulicans are not going to be any help in the battle to destroy tyranny! Too many people have too short a memory, As the REAL American Citizenry gets ready to sing his and other so-called Conservatives praises, they should go back and look at these bsrd's voting records. He voted for the "Patriot" Act, and more often than not, he has been a minion for "free traitors" oh, I mean "traders." NAFTA, GATT, PNTR for the Chinese Communists, he voted to repeal the Glass-Steegal Act which gave us the international bankster take-over, etc., etc!!!

Though his actions may seem minor in comparison to some of the more egregious Chicago-THUG TYRANNY we have witnessed in recent days, he in no way should get a pass for his "prior bad acts!" May the pitchforks of the American Citizen resistance done his political head right along with that of that despicable banshee, Nancy "Airforce" Pelosi!!

LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:22 AM
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"Call your congressman, go out and register people to vote, go volunteer on a political campaign, make your voice heard — but let's do it the right way."

How long have we heard this, and what good does it really do? We all realize that the whole show is bogus. So why are these people still relevant? To me, they're not. You have to realize what it means to be free. False regulations don't really apply to any of us. Yet we go along with them as if they are the law of the land. We are the ones holding the system in place, and I truly believe that all we have to do is let go. Regulations should be ignored if they are hindering your progress to be closer to the earth. (look at earth-ship, and earth bag style houses) they are practically illegal in most areas. If the supposed 1000's of free energy devices could change the world overnight, why isn't it happening?

We have the resources and the ability to do some really amazing things for the planet and ourselves. But as always something seems to be holding us back. That something is that We the People are led to believe that we don't know anything and that we should trust the experts. Or that we are powerless when it comes to change so we should "Call our congressmen" and hope that they can make the change that we cannot. The lingo in and of itself states that you are powerless. I would like to see everyone decide to ignore the false world we're presented, and build the true world we actually desire.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
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yadda yadda yadda. Please grow up.



It's funny how silent many were on here while Bush was stomping all over the constitution. But now that the Democrats actually DO something. It's now Revolution time? Please do us a favor, stop watching Glen Beck, and Hannity. Save your brain for real critical thinking.


People have a pretty long fuse in this country. We wouldn't be at this point with Obama, Congress and the Senate if it hadn't been for the 8 years of Bush. There was outrage with Bush it was just embers though, a lot of embers. Omaba came along and threw gas all over it.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Thank you - somebody finally said it. This fervor goes way back guys. We have all kicked our selves for not standing up sooner. This angst bridges party lines, many of us were fools then - hind sight is 20/20. I hoped above hope that this agenda would end with this guy, but clearly it has not.

It wouldn't matter who was doing this right now, Color doesn't matter, social status doesn't matter none of that matters - this anger is focused at an agenda plain and simple. The harm that comes from these actions are just symptoms of a growing disease.

Someone had to be at the wheel when the tipping point was reached - Tag your it.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:41 AM
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I think this is a loaded article and

This is an unfair article, it polarizes side instantly.

How do they know that it's Republicans? Did they take a survey or poll?


We have all heard people are anger over this does that mean that they are instantly Republicans?

More fuel for the fire from MSM.



Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Democrats Fear Violent Backlash


Americans Threatening Violence Against Democrats Who Supported Healthcare Legislation

Democrats Fear Violent Backlash

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer is warning that some of his Democratic colleagues are being threatened with violence when they go back to their districts — and he wants Republicans to stand up and condemn the threats.




posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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Everyday I watch a certain group of Americans become closer to the extremists I was fighting overseas. If you go down this path, where does it end? Will sending people with bombs into crowded malls be justified? Technically, they would be followers of a "corrupt" government.

Where do you draw the line? Where do you think others will draw the line? This is a slippery slope.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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Alright, here it is.

The American health care industry is sadly lacking for people. Don't have insurance? Need something done? Your choice is the ER, or try and get an appointment with a doctor. Well if you don't have insurance that is going to cripple you financially if you have some serious condition.

people in this country have a right to life, not a right to die because of a pre existing condition.

I have seen this first hand. Someone noticed that I had a bulge in my neck, well, I was making decent money, but didn't have health insurance, so I go to my doctor. He takes 5 minutes, says it's fine and it will go away on it's own, writes me a script for antibiotics and sends me on my way.

About 6 months latter, I go back to the exact same doctor, with health insurance, all of a sudden he diagnoses it as a bronchial cleft cyst. It's a non malignant mass that is growing in my neck and it needs to be removed. He refers me to a specialist that takes his time and makes sure the diagnosis is correct. He concurs that it indeed is a cyst and schedules me for a surgery.

Do you see the problem?

Now let's look at health care insurance for a moment. Had I not talked the doc to make sure no one knew my medical history, I would have been denied health care coverage because of a pre existing condition.

This bill fixes that problem. But if you are against this bill, you don't want people to get health care coverage even though they may have something they may need health care coverage for.

Next let's talk about the fallacy that people have when they argue the 10th Amendment on this. Blue Cross operates in all 50 states. Kinda nullifies the argument the Republicans have about opening up cross state operations doesn't it? Insurance companies already can operate in all states. This specifically lands this legislation into the realm of Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution.

What about forcing you to purchase health care coverage? Well, according to the welfare clause of the United States Constitution, it is the obligation of the federal government to make sure that the welfare of it's citizens are taken care of.

But obviously forcing people to buy insurance from a company isn't socialist now is it? It's quite capitalist. Now those insurance companies that already operate in every single state of the union are forced to compete for your business, you aren't forced to purchase any particular health care company, you get to choose which one is right for you.

It's not a perfect bill. There are some things I would have liked to see in it. But that's the bitch about compromise. Fixing those problems are going to be for the future. But this has to be done. People should be able to get quality care. I mean real quality care. There should have been no reason that doctor should have been able to send me home with a prescription for antibiotics instead of the real care I needed.

So overall, this is a good bill. Because now this opens up the opportunity for new health care companies to be born. That is good for the economy right? Those new health care companies might offer services to customers for a lower price. Competition is good for an economy.

Why am I so against this violent backlash to this legislation? Because it doesn't actually infringe on your rights. Because the government is required to ensure the welfare of it's citizens, it is the government's obligation to the general welfare of it's citizens, and part of that is the health welfare of Americans. If people were to think for themselves and not rely on FOX news and other right wing propaganda, they would like this much better too. But people are flipping out on this because they have been bamboozled by bull [snip]. They are angry over so little that it's laughable.

We are the richest country in the world yet we are 37th as far as healthcare goes. Does that seem right to you? It doesn't seem right to me.

I would have liked to see a public option to this bill, however it seems that it didn't go through. But some important changes did occur. But people have been brainwashed by FOX and the TPM to hate anything the Democrats came up with. Even though there were many Republican resolutions that were implemented in this bill, the Republicans seeking to take over the legislative branch of our government decided that even though that there are Republican friendly parts to this bill, they were going to vote against it anyway.

Some people on this site will be pissed of no matter what legislation is passed. Some people just don't like the government. That's fine, it's a person's right to not like the government. Obviously the states weren't going to implement anything like this. So the Federal government did. If the States had adopted the same thing as Hawaii has, I am sure there would be an equal backlash about government being too big.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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Yes, but when our fearless leaders break out in a fight and squabble on the House Floor, does this not send a message to the people that this is acceptable behavior? I abhor violence in any form whatsoever, but...these rich fat cat lawyers that sit in office are proven criminals, and should be afraid. We can see then now for what they really are.

Ever see Star Wars? American Government=Evil Empire....American People=Rebels



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:50 AM
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Part of me believes that they are intentionally trying to draw the opposition into something. I think that they want a physical confrontation that they can use to squash all other dissent. Why else would Nancy Pelosi Do this:


www.youtube.com...

She intentionally walked through a group of people that are against this legislation and out there expressing their opinion. Her intention I believe was to trigger a reaction in someone by walking through with that scat eating grin and that big Carrot Top prop of a gavel. Be careful what you say and do guys...They want you to react stupidly.


[Edited because I just cant seem to get it right today]

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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I have heard this argument before regarding the 16th amendment and how it has stripped the American people of their constitutional rights. It's not true and this is why. Our rights in the constitution are inalienable. That means they CANNOT be taken,removed,transferred,or whatever. Therefore any amendment passed to take those rights is illegitimate and illegal. The govt. can attempt to fool us and say it is legal but it is up to us as Americans to know our constitution or at least have people that can advise us.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Doc VelocityYou don't even have the guts to call me what you're actually thinking


I think your avatar and title say what most of us are thinking anyway.

Certain groups would love to see a 'backlash' against this, simply because they've bought into the sports team mentality of politics, and want the other team to lose. They don't care about the country or anyone in it, just themselves, and by extension the political group they've decided to support unquestionably.

If US citizens do become violent over this, after not doing anything during so many admitted betrayals and incidents of corruption, they'll be the laughing stock of the planet for many years to come. Regardless of what you hear on the TV, no one knows for sure what these changes will bring yet, and it's a fricking health care bill, no one is going to call you a hero for fighting to stop something that is intended to help people. You'll just look like gullible idiots who we're whipped into a frenzy by some smooth talkers.



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by ChrisF231
If the Democrat representatives are so upset about these threats then why did they vote for a bill that they knew 2/3rds of Americans were against? I mean duh, are they really that stupid?


The Democratic representatives were more afraid of their leadership than of their constituents. I think we should let them "pay the piper".



posted on Mar, 25 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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You know I have to apologize for assuming some of you were Republican because you don't like this bill. MY bad.

You know I actually wanted Ron Paul to be president because he wanted to eliminate the Fed and switch to a gold standard and he's always trying to uphold the constitution when he votes. He was my #1 pick. Obama was the sure thing and the best shot at avoiding another 4 years of Neocon shenanigans.

It's really hard to believe in anything at all. Everything is subjective, people love to lie and nothing is ever as it seems. I don't believe any of it. The world is an illusion. I'm going to sleep. Dreams are better than reality.



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