Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. Whether it is free speech or pushing your system on us. You don't here me talking about Spain do you. You reap what you sow and you guys sow anti-freedom progressive ideals that I find abhorrent. Does it make sense now?

Seriously, let it go.

You're just making us look bad. I don't even think you understand what you are talking about anymore.

Fight your own fight I dont even know who you are? And I doubt we are on the same side. I speak for myself and you should try and do the same.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Fight your own fight I dont even know who you are? And I doubt we are on the same side. I speak for myself and you should try and do the same.

We are both human. We are both on the same "side".

Seriously, this "side" crap is killing us. I think you are just acting a little irrationally towards our neighbors to the north, and are perhaps basing that irrationality on a misconception that they are trying to indoctrinate us with progressive ideals or some other such nonsense.

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

The squeaky wheel will get the grease. Whether it is free speech or pushing your system on us. You don't here me talking about Spain do you. You reap what you sow and you guys sow anti-freedom progressive ideals that I find abhorrent. Does it make sense now?

Seriously, let it go.

You're just making us look bad. I don't even think you understand what you are talking about anymore.

What does you are making us look bad mean? Does this imply a side? Are you for real like I said before speak for yourself and unless you have a point to make about what I think about Canada stop TROLLING me.

..."our way" = nationalistic bs = fantasy...

...there is no such thing as "the american way", "the aussie way", "the british way", "the canadian way" - insert your own country or whatever group you want to attempt to raise to a false sense of supremacy or unitedness...

...you put 1000 sober texans together in a room and you're likely to get 900 different viewpoints... flood the room with shiner and you'll get 7000 different viewpoints, lmao... do the same in utah, you'll get 300 different viewpoints cuz thats an anal bunch and they dont drink beer, lmao...

...canadians, well, yanno, they tawlk funny up there but i've never met one i wanted to shoot... caint say the same for newyarkers...

We don't have free speech? hmpf. learn sumtin' new everyday.

Originally posted by hhcore
We don't have free speech? hmpf. learn sumtin' new everyday.

If you live in Canada you are right you don't. It is up to TPTB judgement and you could fall on the wrong side by the way the wind blows . This is not free speech.

Originally posted by intrepid
OK, before anyone goes off on the OP or the title, read the thread first please.

As a Canadian and a concerned neighbor, I've seen some really frightening trends on the board lately from our southern brothers. Anything that is contrary to the status quo is politicized and "rights" are thrown around without thinking, "Hmm, maybe this would be an idea worth listening to." Even when the topic is about another country.

My country has been attacked of late for the following reasons:

Health Care
Free speech issues
Our economy
Social issues(abortion, Gay rights, etc)

Just to name the easy ones.

My question is this, if you take the politics and patriotism out of these issues, what's wrong with seeing another point of view? What sets you guys off on a shoot and destroy mission anything that it isn't OUR" way?

There are better ways of doing things. That's evolution of man. If you miss it isn't that a bad thing? You won't see it in your media. Be thankful for the Net and places like ATS. We're international, many different ideas. Start looking. Start thinking.

This isn't a recent trend and nor is it a phase. If anything, I've seen it for years on this site, long before I became a member. If I'm completely honest, I've seen it everywhere for the last 13 years or so since I started using the internet.

That's why much of the current boo-hooing from Americans of late about how there's too many allegedly anti-American threads. They ought to try being from another country (yeah, yeah, as if "America #1!" and all that...) and see what it's like to be told that the American way is the right way, that all other ways are the wrong way and how the American way would 'fix' what happens in another country. I'm #ing sick of hearing how guns or some Freedom of Speech legislation &c., would solve Britain's problems.

It's incredibly unpopular when non-Americans (or rather non-North Americans) speak this way about America and Americans. Apparently, then we don't understand America or Americans and as we just don't 'get it', our comments are pointless. Often we're told about how we don't know enough about America or Americans to comment: despite it never preventing an America in his or hers life from commenting about somewhere else.

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by hawkiye
Every socialist democracy in history has failed the same way.

As one of our American founding fathers Benjamin Franklin once said Those who give up Liberty for Security deserve neither and will have neither! God helps us all...

"...the well being of the poor and retched is a duty charged to private, public and charitable means and funds, for the health of the retch is the health of a nation."

Ben Franklin Penn Gazette - 1743

First of all I suspect that quote is bogus. I have some copies of the Penn Gazzette and no such quote is in them. I could be wrong but I would love for you to substantiate that quote in one of the published Penn Gazettes and attributed to Ben Frankin. He bought the paper and often published statements from others. It may have been attributed him as the editor but I doubt he actually wrote it or if it turns out he did it is likely completely out of context..

Having said that if your intent was to suggest Ben Frankin would advocate government forcing men to give to the poor through taxes or other means you are sadly mistaken. He like most men of his time would espouse the Christian doctrine of helping the poor but only voluntarily not by any means of force, coercion, or socialism.

I'll leave you with this quote from him:

The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.
Benjamin Franklin

i ask, what is so wrong with sticking to an ideal of your own or with having pride and confidence in it? why change? to make others feel good about their indecision? to be nice or civil?

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
So we stick by 'our' way because we all know damned well that, believe it or not, our way is STILL worth preserving.

That's great and, for right or wrong, perhaps to be applauded. However, preserving the American Way and proclaiming the American Way to be the best way or the only way are very different things. I see a lot less of the former, sorry.

Also, the idea that America is somehow special because it can dig deep and pull together when it needs to is pretty strange. That's not a particularly American trait and is something that can be seen the world over.

[edit on 24-3-2010 by Merriman Weir]