Baby Bible Bashers, Christian child abuse?

Originally posted by Equinox99
With that being said, why was the OP banned?

This is shocking, and I too would like to know the reason.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by pieman

in what regard? teaching children a moral code is a normal part of parenting, it's one of the main roles of the parent, who are you to tell others which morality they should teach their children?

No. Raising your kids to not be homosexuals would be teaching them a moral code. Telling children that certain people deserve to be murdered is insane. It is also teaching them to judge others and impose punishment which I believe that bible has some pretty clear words against.

The Bible tells us, the believers, to judge righteously.

That "Judge thou not" line has been taken out of context - like most all of the other overused lines.

You can read this where it discusses that Christians are instructed to judge - if you would just read the Bible you would know this.

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by Mystery_Lady

 

Okay, I am happy to debate this, but leave god at the forum door. A website that so wildly distorts fact from fiction must have a hidden agenda. And it does at the very end when it asks about being saved and born again. From what I ask. Harry Potter?

The thread title is about videos showing children talking/preaching about God -

How do you propose we leave God out of the discussion?

Well, hopefully we might have some answers as to why this member was banned. It seemed as though he hasn't broken the T&C's of this web-site.

I have sent a U2U to a Moderator for some answers.

For those that think that these children are being "indoctrinated" - it's ironic that the United States Safe School Czar Kevin Jennings has quite a few "extremely graphic" eh, "literary works" listed on his "Recommended Reading List".

What are the books you ask? I can give you the titles - but due to the content, I can't post the summaries. Yes, they are THAT vulgar.

You can click HERE and pick which link you want to view to see the graphic details. And as you'll see, the content of these books would be considered "hard pornography" by most everyone.

Here is one of the websites summary of what they found in the books:

We were unprepared for what we encountered. Book after book after book contained stories and anecdotes that weren’t merely X-rated and pornographic, but which featured explicit descriptions of sex acts between pre-schoolers; stories that seemed to promote and recommend child-adult sexual relationships; stories of public masturbation, anal sex in restrooms, affairs between students and teachers, five-year-olds playing sex games, semen flying through the air. One memoir even praised becoming a prostitute as a way to increase one’s self-esteem. Above all, the books seemed to have less to do with promoting tolerance than with an unabashed attempt to indoctrinate students into a hyper-sexualized worldview. Source

Here are a few of the books' summaries - WARNING: Graphic Content.

Is this what you would prefer your children to be hearing and taught?

Who is Kevin Jennings you ask? You can pick a link, most which include most of the details - HERE



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Originally posted by nomorecruelty


If a person is found guilty of a crime/sin, and is justified via God/Bible for that person to suffer "death", then it would not be considered "murder".
However, if it is a death caused by someone with purely malicious intent, then yes, it would be considered "murder".

Hmm, whatever to justify killing it seems - sick bastards

It is (if you believe) God's task to punish with death, which he eventually does with all people (no immortals amongst us). But who is to decide, based on some book, to decide whom put to death?

I think that this may be moral relativism at one of it's most sick manifestations. Then you would happily accept if some who worship satan will kill you as a sacrife, because their god commands so.

I can only hope, that one day people who condone 'sinners exectution' will become on their senses.



-v

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
You have added in your interpretation of the words - the verse doesn't say, nor imply, that a "rape" took place, nor does it imply that the sex would be "against her will".

22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 22:17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins. So if I sleep with a girl whether she likes it or not, she is my wife - even if I have to pay her father. She has no choice and does not have to be my wife before I sleep with her against her will.

Nope. It does not state anything about consent and you know as well as I do just how much consent women had in those days. Quote the whole damn book if you think it would help. I guarantee it will just show that this is a deal between men and she has no say.

You are also completely overlooking the fact that it says if the man were to LAY with a woman, not ENTICE. If he has sex with her, no mention of her wishes, then she is bound to be his wife. It says nothing of her choosing marriage. It clearly states that she is to be his wife simply because he slept with her.

I am not sure where you come from but women being forced to marry a man that had sex with them is not exactly willing.

This is why most non believers have such a negative view on God and the Bible - because non believers usually twist the words, add or remove words, all to suit their own beliefs or agendas.

"Entice" has many meanings - but if she was "raped" I would be willing to bet that God would have made sure it was written in such a way as to imply that. To me, "entice" doesn't mean "against her will" or "raped".

Why do you think the Bible warned us of altering His Word - in Revelations, it clearly states:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

But what has mankind done? Exactly what God told him not to.


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The old testament should be a conspiracy in itself. Jesus did not teach the same things that were taught in the Old Testament. He kept the Sabbath and the feasts, but he made mentions about not judging others. "Let he without sin cast the first stone", and "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

People don't understand that Jesus' teachings were built upon two pillars:

1) Love your God with all your heart
2) Love your neighbor as you do yourself



[edit on 24-3-2010 by Equinox99]

Originally posted by v01i0

Originally posted by nomorecruelty


If a person is found guilty of a crime/sin, and is justified via God/Bible for that person to suffer "death", then it would not be considered "murder".
However, if it is a death caused by someone with purely malicious intent, then yes, it would be considered "murder".

Hmm, whatever to justify killing it seems - sick bastards

It is (if you believe) God's task to punish with death, which he eventually does with all people (no immortals amongst us). But who is to decide, based on some book, to decide whom put to death?

I think that this may be moral relativism at one of it's most sick manifestations. Then you would happily accept if some who worship satan will kill you as a sacrife, because their god commands so.

I can only hope, that one day people who condone 'sinners exectution' will become on their senses.

-v

It's up to you, individually, what you want to believe - or not believe. I don't mean this in any sort of "personal" way, but where your soul ends up really doesn't affect me one way or the other. Of course I can, and will, pray you make the right choice(s), but ultimately, the decision will be yours.

People should try to understand that our future is going to end up right where our history began. Roman empire, beheadings, etc. It is going to get ugly - uglier than it is right now.

If you don't protect yourself/soul now, then as this end day scenario gets worse, you aren't going to have a chance against satan. But again, that is your decision - but I do feel obligated to at least try and warn as many non believers as I can.

Originally posted by Equinox99
The old testament should be a conspiracy in itself. Jesus did not teach the same things that were taught in the Old Testament. He kept the Sabbath and the feasts, but he made mentions about not judging others. "Let he without sin cast the first stone", and "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

People don't understand that Jesus' teachings were built upon two pillars:

1) Love your God with all your heart
2) Love your neighbor as you do yourself



[edit on 24-3-2010 by Equinox99]

The Bible tells us, the believers, to judge righteously.

That "Judge thou not" line has been taken out of context - like most all of the other overused lines.

You can read this where it discusses that Christians are instructed to judge - if you would just read the Bible you would know this.



I came on this thread to discuss the children's videos - so it isn't like I created a thread title of "Gay? Non Believer? C'mon In Then !!"

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
It is also teaching them to judge others and impose punishment which I believe that bible has some pretty clear words against.

so what do you teach your children about pedophiles, rapists and murders?

if teaching your children to judge others is abuse then all our kids will be taken into care, the idea is an utter nonsense.

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

You are completely missing the fact that she has no say in the marriage. She is bound to be his wife simply because she did not already belong to someone else when HE decided to LAY with her.

And that was the law of the land at that time - what has God got to do, again, with mankind's evil laws?

Granted I would have not been a happy camper during those days - but it's not God's fault that those people enacted those laws - just as people are, today, trying to change our laws to better suit their sins. i.e. pedophilia, homosexuality, etc.

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No, my friend, I said that the verse you gave me did not mention it - and it does not.

You gave me a particular verse number - THAT is what I typed in the Bible Search Engine - when you type in one verse number that is ALL that comes up - is THAT verse - nothing else - unless you click on the "Expand Chapter" tab.

Goodness, you sure do assume alot?

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reply to post by nomorecruelty


Lol, you're right. Sorry I am very sick right now and on some cough syrup.

It says God will judge you with the same measure you judge everyone else. I know this perfectly well. I was coming home on the bus the other day when I sat behind this pretty girl. All I was thinking about was what do I say? Than another girl walked on the bus and sat across. She was overweight, and all I could think of is the pretty one.

Something sparked a thought in my head. I had realized that I judged them by their looks rather than their hearts.



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Maybe I need some of that syrup?



That is our nature - we, as humans, judge by appearance - just as the videos showing the kids preaching. We don't know their situations - but one thing I can say - they do appear very passionate about it.

And I'd rather them be preaching at 5 than shooting up drugs.

Originally posted by v01i0

Originally posted by nomorecruelty


If a person is found guilty of a crime/sin, and is justified via God/Bible for that person to suffer "death", then it would not be considered "murder".
However, if it is a death caused by someone with purely malicious intent, then yes, it would be considered "murder".

Hmm, whatever to justify killing it seems - sick bastards

It is (if you believe) God's task to punish with death, which he eventually does with all people (no immortals amongst us). But who is to decide, based on some book, to decide whom put to death?

I think that this may be moral relativism at one of it's most sick manifestations. Then you would happily accept if some who worship satan will kill you as a sacrife, because their god commands so.

I can only hope, that one day people who condone 'sinners exectution' will become on their senses.

-v

For believers, we know this but non believers should also understand that God created us, and everything else out there - it is up to Him to "cause death" or "life" involving any of us. If he wants to "put to death" a gazillion people, that is His right as Creator. If He wants to give "life" to a gazillion babies, that is also His right.
He just has a tough time on the baby "life" part since He has to contend with the entire abortion issue.

reply to post by nomorecruelty


I don't believe. I don't simply have to. The God - if you will - is already in possession of my soul and I cannot do nothing about it. Whether there is God or how it is like, I don't know. You seem to know and for that, I am happy for you. - but on the same time I am somewhat sad to see what people whom think that they know will of god are ready to do.

I'd kill for food if I had to, but I'd never kill anything because I thought it would be a sinner. In the very same book which you often refere, it says that it is not within man's rights to judge.

No, pray for me and my soul if you will for your prayers are irrelevant - on same time, I can only hope that your awakening won't be that harsh. I understand you, and I forgive you. But that doesn't mean I accept what you think or what you'd do.

-v

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reply to post by nomorecruelty


Maybe these kids are learning something good at a young age. I still think at that age they should be having fun and innocent. Why give them all this burden and take away their childhood years?

As a Christian, I know this is morally wrong. It would be okay to take your kids to church on Sunday, explaining to them the teachings of Jesus. But preaching at a young age?

I think the best way to approach religion is to have reached a certain age. This way you could understand the meanings behind the scriptures by applying your experiences in life.

Forcing a child to be a preacher will only result to them moving further away from God when they get older. They will start to question everything they have been taught and eventually fight with their families.

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lol I don't think you are a jerk - I think you are just like me - a person in this world that is looking to do the right thing and be a productive member of society. But like you, I, and every one else on this planet, none of us can never seem to get it right - that is human nature. We are all in that same boat of life out here.

My pitch is that Jesus is the only escape from this miserable sinful life - period. And that is what I pray for all to come to believe.



Rage against the sheeple !!

reply to post by Equinox99


I somewhat agree with that to a point - as long as they aren't being "forced" to - but only the child would be able to answer that I guess.

But bringing up children with God, and the Bible? Absolutely, hands down. Because, as adults, we all know too well the evils that are out in our society today. And if you don't teach your children about God, then satan will teach them about God.