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Baby Bible Bashers, Christian child abuse?

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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
The Bible tells us, the believers, to judge righteously.

That "Judge thou not" line has been taken out of context - like most all of the other overused lines.

You can read this where it discusses that Christians are instructed to judge - if you would just read the Bible you would know this.



OK Cool!!!! Thanks for that. This should really make everything pretty simple moving forward. Now that I fully understand that as a Christian it is your job to judge. Please tell me how exactly you decide that someone is a witch that deserves to die. I would like to see the standard that your god set up for you by which to decide exactly who should die as a witch. I will be asking for sources too by the way!

[edit on 26-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]


You know, if you were "truly" sincere about learning what is in the Bible, and how to discern the words/meaning, I would be more than happy to help you out.

But with your attitude as it appears to be, it wouldn't do any good - the Bible tells us to argue not with fools, and I think that you are just one of those people that no matter what is said, you will argue it. Not to find the truth, but just to cause strife.




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Archirvion
I really have to look closer into this. This is very interresting. Now that we have proven that "Jesus" is the SUN in our solarsystem, it is still open for what GOD is.. "God" might be the Universe itself. Or something larger than we humans can grasp at our moment living in the universe.

Through the last 35 000 years every single religion leads to the annunaki, and being a psychologist i have with my eyes seen people be lifted by "something",speaking an old sumerian language and spoken that they are "GOD".

I dont know where to start.


No one has proven that any planet is a "god". The sun is the sun - a source of
our heat and light. Planets, stars, galaxies, black holes, the moon, etc. are "things" that God created.

Where do you people come up with these ideas?




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

This is why most non believers have such a negative view on God and the Bible - because non believers usually twist the words, add or remove words, all to suit their own beliefs or agendas.


Well you have been completely wrong in trying to prove that so far. You told me my quote about killing a witch was wrong and provide a line about killing a witch. FAIL.

You said Exodus did not mention witches at all and provided one verse that was just one verse away from where Exodus talks about witches.

Who is twisting the bible?



I've already told you this but for your sake, I'll tell you one more time -

You gave me a verse number - that is what I typed in the Bible search engine - it returned A verse, only ONE verse. You have to click on the "Expand Chapter" tab to see the entire chapter.

The verse number you gave me is what I typed in - the verse that came up said NOTHING about witches.

The reason this happened? Because you were getting your information from something other than the King James Bible - and apparently, due to all the alterations and omissions your book has made to the original Bible, the book you were using was off in how the verse numbers fell.

You can continue to claim I lied - but to do that you are going to be lying - but that is your choice, my dear.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by K J Gunderson
 


lol I don't think you are a jerk -


You just refuse to let me have anything, don't you?



I think you are just like me - a person in this world that is looking to do the right thing and be a productive member of society. But like you, I, and every one else on this planet, none of us can never seem to get it right - that is human nature. We are all in that same boat of life out here.

My pitch is that Jesus is the only escape from this miserable sinful life - period. And that is what I pray for all to come to believe.

I do agree that we have a well documented history of not getting it right. We are all trying and many of us try different methods. Some work, some don't. As far as I can tell, for each Atheist doing good things, I can find a religious man doing bad things. I guess it all evens out but at least religion makes things more interesting.



Rage against the sheeple !!


At least your cause is noble and all. I just have a really hard time buying into it. When I think about being a productive member of society, I have a really hard time reconciling the idea that I should be out killing anyone who mixes cotton and silk.


[edit on 25-3-2010 by K J Gunderson]


The Bible doesn't instruct anyone to kill anyone who mixes fabrics.

And the thing is, you don't "have" to buy in to Christianity, or God. He allows you to believe in who, or what, you want - it's your choice.

But just remember, with each choice, there are always consequences. That's just how life goes.

There is a huge percentage of people in society today that believe that if they choose to not believe, then they are immune from God's laws. And people can tell themselves that all they want - while it will get them through life here on Earth probably with no scrapes or bruises, it's a different story upon our earthly deaths.

Everyone will be held accountable - me, you, and the other nearly 7 billion people on this planet. That is not being "cruel", that is being factual - but it's up to the individual on his or her decision.

Party hardy here on Earth - have fun, do what *you* want, please thy "self", don't worry about God or His "pesky" laws...............

......but payment will come due later on when our lives here on Earth are done. Humans weren't created to engage in a global free for all - it wasn't ever intended to be that way.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by LibertyLover
 


You should research the USA's Safe School Czar's "agenda" and get back with me on your doubts about the "homosexual agenda".

It is a real eye opener. I posted some links a page or so back.


This makes no sense. If any of the books on that list are offensive for you to have children read, then why is the bible not among them? It is no less offensive in content than anything on that list. Do you think children should be kept from reading the bible as well then?


The Bible is not porn - these books on that list are porn - some of it very graphic and "hard" core porn.

The Bible is God's instructions and laws for mankind.

The books on that list are meant to introduce and advocate homosexuality into our school age children.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

And I agree with you on that there are billions and billions of people that probably live very constructive lives - helping their community, no crimes, donating to all the fundraisers....... but being "good" doesn't gain anyone entry into God's Heaven. It just doesn't work that way - it's not based on "works" alone. Works are a part of it as we are instructed to live Godly lives, helping your neighbors, etc - but just being good isn't what will get you there.



According to your bible, which person would you god find more valuable.

person A: Lives a good life and does good things.

person B: Lives a good life and does good things so that he can gain entry into the kingdom of Heaven.



A Biblical balance would be to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and do good works throughout your life, and spread the gospel among believers and non believers.

We were created to serve God - not for Him to serve us. Contrary to mankind thinking that everything is allllllll about him.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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and being a psychologist i have with my eyes seen people be lifted by "something",speaking an old sumerian language and spoken that they are "GOD".
I watched the Fourth Kind The other night Is that what you're talking about ?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Originally posted by Archirvion
I really have to look closer into this. This is very interresting. Now that we have proven that "Jesus" is the SUN in our solarsystem, it is still open for what GOD is.. "God" might be the Universe itself. Or something larger than we humans can grasp at our moment living in the universe.

Through the last 35 000 years every single religion leads to the annunaki, and being a psychologist i have with my eyes seen people be lifted by "something",speaking an old sumerian language and spoken that they are "GOD".

I dont know where to start.


No one has proven that any planet is a "god". The sun is the sun - a source of
our heat and light. Planets, stars, galaxies, black holes, the moon, etc. are "things" that God created.

Where do you people come up with these ideas?


for one the yget it from the bible it does say he is everything and everythings a part of him so why you had to ask is other questen



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by TELEX
 


Regurgitating and embellishing your buddies stories of handicapped Christian individuals is nothing but biased, prejudicial, common, poppycock.
It is the indication of the pure IGNORANCE you profess.


Dude calm down, I never mentioned handicapped xtians period I merely questioned why disabled people leave a church as well as enter it.

What on earth are you having a wob over "alleged" story embellishment for ? Look how often xtians retell stories like Mrs Smith coming to church with a sever limp and the pastor (even a 3 foot one) laying on hands and magically making the limp go away.

Come on now big boy, please feel free to explain why a church could possibly need an elevator for the disabled ?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by lightningz

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Originally posted by Archirvion
I really have to look closer into this. This is very interresting. Now that we have proven that "Jesus" is the SUN in our solarsystem, it is still open for what GOD is.. "God" might be the Universe itself. Or something larger than we humans can grasp at our moment living in the universe.

Through the last 35 000 years every single religion leads to the annunaki, and being a psychologist i have with my eyes seen people be lifted by "something",speaking an old sumerian language and spoken that they are "GOD".

I dont know where to start.


No one has proven that any planet is a "god". The sun is the sun - a source of
our heat and light. Planets, stars, galaxies, black holes, the moon, etc. are "things" that God created.

Where do you people come up with these ideas?


for one the yget it from the bible it does say he is everything and everythings a part of him so why you had to ask is other questen


God created everything, yes - but the sun itself it not something to be "worshiped".

And I still have no idea where people get this stuff.




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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i never said it was just telling you where they get it. now for understanding i guess there back end.


as for the dude who said
"The Bible is God's instructions and laws for mankind.
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last i remember the bible was made by man not god. he may of told then to write it but man are sinners. and if you look at a bible from other areas that out date the king james verson none of them match word for word so yea even they bible points this one out.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by lightningz]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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And again, I state ............my final answer still remains - the Bible, nor God, does not condone "murder".

How is it possible for your god to not condone that which it created ? The only alternative it would appear would be that your god remains indifferent, given the sheer lack of evidence for your god, should one be forced to accept for minute its' reality, then one is forced to conclude that its' indifferent, perhaps indolent would be more fitting a description.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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The Bible is God's instructions and laws for mankind.


Who told you this ?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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And the thing is, you don't "have" to buy in to Christianity, or God. He allows you to believe in who, or what, you want - it's your choice.


But if you happen to choose something other than him he will kill you



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by TELEX

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by TELEX
 


Regurgitating and embellishing your buddies stories of handicapped Christian individuals is nothing but biased, prejudicial, common, poppycock.
It is the indication of the pure IGNORANCE you profess.


Dude calm down, I never mentioned handicapped xtians period I merely questioned why disabled people leave a church as well as enter it.

What on earth are you having a wob over "alleged" story embellishment for ? Look how often xtians retell stories like Mrs Smith coming to church with a sever limp and the pastor (even a 3 foot one) laying on hands and magically making the limp go away.

Come on now big boy, please feel free to explain why a church could possibly need an elevator for the disabled ?


I was more curious why they have no problem believing that their god would be more than happy to answer prayers about funding for the church elevator but not prayers about healing the sick. I have been flipping through the bible here and it seems that Jesus was more interested in healing the sick than he was in securing funds for a church elevator.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by The Parallelogram
 


I asked for proof of Evil and Crazy Christian children.
You fail.
Only ignorance thinks others beliefs are these things.
Only Bolsheviks and Communists think there should be no freedom of religion.

Show me a validated CREATION experiment.
Only ignorance would try. I know you are not IGNORANT are you? laughable

You say this funny, funny thing. LOL LOL

"Anyone is welcome and able do to this, so long as they are sufficiently trained to grasp the concepts necessary to the performance of the experiment in question.

Sufficiently INDOCTRNATED by their MASTERS. Any one can grasp concepts. No stupid peer review required. No costly Harvard wallpaper or cheap on line diploma purchaced from a California print shop.
It is not reserved for the high and mighty scientist that have you bamboozled and hog tied. Ha ha
You crack me up Parallelo


First of all, the video is PROOF of the craziness of those children...or more like the craziness of the people who indoctrinate them with those hardcore views about religion. You claim you can't watch the video, fine. But you can't attack the guy saying he doesn't show proof when the proof is IN THE VIDEOS!!!

People asked you why you can't watch the video, yet you chose not to reply. Is it because you CAN'T watch them (dialup?) or because you DON'T WANT to watch them. Ignoring the evidence?

People aren't saying you shouldn't have freedom in beliefs. They question some aspects of a belief, that's NOT the same as saying you don't have the right to believe whatever you want. And you can't claim someone's ignorant for questioning something! Mostly because that makes you a lot more ignorant than they could ever be...

And scientists don't bamboozle you, they present evidence to support their theories...which is 1000 times more than the religious people do to support their faith. They base their theories (and I know they prefer to call them facts) on insubstantial evidence that doesn't hold up against any scrutiny. So yeah, the word of a scientist regarding FACTS is more credible than the word of fundamentalists simply because scientists actually know what FACTS are...fundamentalists support their statements with stuff they can't prove, and if they try, they make statements and call them facts when really they aren't facts.

Again, this is NOT an attack at religion. Everyone can believe whatever he wants. But don't try to compare the "evidence" religious folk present with hard facts presented by scientists. Scientists are calling things they aren't sure about THEORIES...religious people call things they can't prove FACTS. See the difference??



Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, 'I'm willing Lord, I'll do whatever you want me to do.' Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas.


[edit on 26-3-2010 by MrXYZ]


[edit on 26-3-2010 by MrXYZ]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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We are talking about a type of people/mentality that would shoot a doctor, feed a baby to dogs,bar-b-q the feet of a man to ash and make him walk on the stumps, burn people alive, drown little girls to see if their witches and on and on.


This is quite a broad brush your using don't you think. It was wrong of
the man who took the murdering Doctors life because he himself was not without sin. The right to pronounce judgement and carry out punishment
wasn't his. As we speak justice is being served. The rest of this stuff sounds like sixteenth century Catholicism so you have no point.




I was more curious why they have no problem believing that their god would be more than happy to answer prayers about funding for the church elevator but not prayers about healing the sick. I have been flipping through the bible here and it seems that Jesus was more interested in healing the sick than he was in securing funds for a church elevator


I want to know why a churh needs an elevator?

nomo



Not to find the truth, but just to cause strife.

My deduction as well.




Who told you this ?

Life does come with an instruction manual.
Brief

Instructions

Before

Leaving

Earth......

Some people just can't follow instructions.
Happans a lot when you think you know everything.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by randyvs]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
reply to post by The Parallelogram
 


I asked for proof of Evil and Crazy Christian children.
You fail.
Only ignorance thinks others beliefs are these things.
Only Bolsheviks and Communists think there should be no freedom of religion.

Show me a validated CREATION experiment.
Only ignorance would try. I know you are not IGNORANT are you? laughable

You say this funny, funny thing. LOL LOL

"Anyone is welcome and able do to this, so long as they are sufficiently trained to grasp the concepts necessary to the performance of the experiment in question.

Sufficiently INDOCTRNATED by their MASTERS. Any one can grasp concepts. No stupid peer review required. No costly Harvard wallpaper or cheap on line diploma purchaced from a California print shop.
It is not reserved for the high and mighty scientist that have you bamboozled and hog tied. Ha ha
You crack me up Parallelo


First of all, the video is PROOF of the craziness of those children...or more like the craziness of the people who indoctrinate them with those hardcore views about religion. You claim you can't watch the video, fine. But you can't attack the guy saying he doesn't show proof when the proof is IN THE VIDEOS!!!

People asked you why you can't watch the video, yet you chose not to reply. Is it because you CAN'T watch them (dialup?) or because you DON'T WANT to watch them. Ignoring the evidence?

People aren't saying you shouldn't have freedom in beliefs. They question some aspects of a belief, that's NOT the same as saying you don't have the right to believe whatever you want. And you can't claim someone's ignorant for questioning something! Mostly because that makes you a lot more ignorant than they could ever be...

And scientists don't bamboozle you, they present evidence to support their theories...which is 1000 times more than the religious people do to support their faith. They base their theories (and I know they prefer to call them facts) on insubstantial evidence that doesn't hold up against any scrutiny. So yeah, the word of a scientist regarding FACTS is more credible than the word of fundamentalists simply because scientists actually know what FACTS are...fundamentalists support their statements with stuff they can't prove, and if they try, they make statements and call them facts when really they aren't facts.

Again, this is NOT an attack at religion. Everyone can believe whatever he wants. But don't try to compare the "evidence" religious folk present with hard facts presented by scientists. Scientists are calling things they aren't sure about THEORIES...religious people call things they can't prove FACTS. See the difference??



Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings who don't have all the answers to think that they do. Most people would think it's wonderful when someone says, 'I'm willing Lord, I'll do whatever you want me to do.' Except that since there are no gods actually talking to us, that void is filled in by people with their own corruptions and limitations and agendas.


[edit on 26-3-2010 by MrXYZ]


[edit on 26-3-2010 by MrXYZ]


Lol. I would challenge science with causation.




Underdetermination of Scientific Theory First published Wed Aug 12, 2009 At the heart of the underdetermination of scientific theory by evidence is the simple idea that the evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it. In a textbook example, if I all I know is that you spent $10 on apples and oranges and that apples cost $1 while oranges cost $2, then I know that you did not buy six oranges, but I do not know whether you bought one orange and eight apples, two oranges and six apples, and so on. A simple scientific example can be found in the rationale behind the sensible methodological adage that “correlation does not imply causation”. If watching lots of cartoons causes children to be more violent in their playground behavior, then we should (barring complications) expect to find a correlation between levels of cartoon viewing and violent playground behavior. But that is also what we would expect to find if children who are prone to violence tend to enjoy and seek out cartoons more than other children, or if propensities to violence and increased cartoon viewing are both caused by some third factor (like general parental neglect or excessive consumption of Twinkies). So a high correlation between cartoon viewing and violent playground behavior is evidence that (by itself) simply underdetermines what we should believe about the causal relationship between the two. But it turns out that this simple and familiar predicament only scratches the surface of the various ways in which problems of underdetermination can arise in the course of scientific investigation.


plato.stanford.edu...



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:11 PM
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That's why they're called THEORIES. If they had all the facts, they could call the theory "fact" too. And yeah, causality and correlation isn't the same...but not sure what that proves


Either way, it's a LOT more than what religious people provide us with to prove their cause. At least scientists label their statements as theories where appropriate...fundamentalists don't even do that. They just claim stuff as "facts" without any proof whatsoever.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Conclusion
 


That's why they're called THEORIES. If they had all the facts, they could call the theory "fact" too. And yeah, causality and correlation isn't the same...but not sure what that proves


Either way, it's a LOT more than what religious people provide us with to prove their cause. At least scientists label their statements as theories where appropriate...fundamentalists don't even do that. They just claim stuff as "facts" without any proof whatsoever.


It is obvious with the quick response that you did not even read what I gave you a link to. Maybe you just skimmed it. So that would make scientific theories, which there are a lot and yes they have scientific theories that also conflict. So it just depends on which evidence you have faith in. I will not wager my evidence for it is the evidence which I have searched for. So I have found the causality. Science may be able to answer how, but never why.



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