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HealthCare Passed - lets go for a two'fer Cap and Trade... Newsmax

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posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:32 PM
With the battle over healthcare reform won, President Barack Obama’s allies in Congress are turning their attention to climate change legislation — and drawing opposition from both sides of the issue.

Sen. John Kerry, a proponent of Congressional action on climate change, said administration officials can now “pour their energy and attention” into the issue.

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“In the wake of healthcare’s passage, we have a strong case to make that this can be the next breakthrough legislative fight,” the Massachusetts Democrat declared.

“Climate legislation is the single best opportunity we have to create jobs, reduce pollution and stop sending billions overseas for foreign oil from countries that would do us harm . . . This can happen.”

In June, the House passed a bill that would approve a “cap-and-trade” system to restrict greenhouse gas emissions blamed for global warming. The Senate has yet to act on similar legislation.

Kerry hopes to win Republican support and is working with Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina on climate legislation, according to a report from AFP.

But most Republicans oppose climate change legislation, warning that it will harm the economy, and some have sought to take away the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to regulate carbon dioxide emissions.

Some environmentalists also oppose the House bill, which would curb emissions by only 17 percent by 2020 compared to 2005 levels — much less than promised by the European Union and Japan.

They also fear that a Kerry-Graham bill would likely back nuclear energy and offshore oil drilling — “anathema to some environmentalists,” AFP observed — and water down cap-and-trade provisions.

“If the senators feel it’s their job to move from what was one of the biggest corporate giveaways in American history to make something that’s even more friendly to polluting industry, that would be a huge mistake,” said Nick Berning, director of public advocacy at Friends of the Earth.

In a Newsmax interview on Monday, Sen. Kit Bond was asked if passage of the healthcare bill will embolden Obama and the Democrats to forge ahead with cap-and-trade and other items on their agenda.

“I hope it will not,” the Missouri Republican said.

“But as I believe the president has said, passage of this government takeover of healthcare — he didn’t call it that, I did — is a template for how we’re going to deal with the rest of the economy.”

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posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:39 PM
Intentional bankrupting of the economy. It is increasingly apparent. When the dollar crashes do you think reps/dems will matter? Obama promised transparency in D.C. I think for once I can finally see what is going on completely. Heres to our overlords.....whoever you are.

posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:53 PM

Started earlier today. Sorry.

posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:35 PM
It is only obvious that insidious group that passed this recent nightmare last Sunday, would be emboldened to get even more extreme in the passage of other controversial legislation. Personally, this last display of insolence by our elected representatives warrants a constitutional convention among the states. The states are given the right to do just that when an excessive display of power by the Federal Government is exhibited.

Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution may be altered.

Amendments may be proposed by the United States Congress or by a national convention assembled at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the several states.

To guard against oppressive government of any kind, the authors of the United States Constitution sought to establish institutional checks and balances. In framing the Constitution as the fundamental embodiment of such safeguards, the Constitutional Convention assembled in Philadelphia in 1787.

If what happened on Sunday was not an abuse of power, then I don't know what is? Is it wrong for the states to use their rights to bring the federal government back in line, and to role similar to that at the founding? In my humble opinion, I see no problem. Listen to what this constitutional scholar, Michael Badnarik, has to say about congressional power and authority.

He made reference to past generations lack of interest in government and the constitutionality of legislation passed both past and present. Then he says it is this generations duty to draw a line in the sand about what has been going for generations.

The elected representatives did not listen to their constituents, and essentially made everyone criminals under the oppressive mandate found in this legislation. Where does it say in the constitution that the federal government has any authority to impress people into doing business with a private corporation, such as, insurance companies? It is not there, and this recent bill has got to be one of the most unconstitutional of them all to ever leave the congressional chambers. When a government forces a private citizen to do business with a private corporation, that is oppressive. It is an assault to the liberties of the individual.

Now, back to the topic at hand, and the other 1000 pound gorilla in the room, "Cap N Trade." You can bet the farm these madmen in the legislature are going to try and get this one through as well. They have the confidence after steaming rolling the healthcare reform bill into passage. Therefore, action must be taken at the state level to give the federal government a moment of pause. The only alternative I see is for the states to demand a constitutional convention. That is the only way to lessen the sting of our bloated federal government. It is totally constitutional and legal.

Now, it is up to the federal government to comply to the demands of the states. There lies the problem and the moment of truth. However, I think many should be contacting their state legislators immediately to bring this idea to the forefront in state legislatures nationwide. Just my two cents, but I would not be surprised if "Cap N Trade," is in the news again very soon.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by Jakes51]

posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:41 PM
It is more like a Trifecta!! Let's not forget that Obama wants to assume any and all student loans.

While all eyes have been focused on Obamacare, The House has been quietly working on this.

The Democratic-led House of Representatives on Sunday approved President Barack Obama's bid to implement what would be the biggest overhaul in decades of the federal student loan program.

Under the legislation, federal subsidies to private student loan lenders would stop and the government's role in lending would increase -- creating billions of dollars in projected savings that would go largely in grants to needy students.

The measure, opposed by private lenders and critics of an expanding federal government, was included in a package of proposed changes to an overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system.

The House passed the package after giving final approval to the healthcare bill that is ready for Obama to sign into law.

The package of changes now goes to the Democratic-led Senate for needed concurrence. A vote is expected this week.

The House-passed measure would halt a 1965 program that has private financial institutions make loans for college tuition, with the government covering the risk of default.

Mostly Republican critics complain the action would amount to an unwarranted government takeover of the program and reduce students' options in securing a loan.

But primarily Democratic backers argue it would eliminate the middle men -- private lenders -- from the process, allowing the government to save billions of dollars.

The measure would cut banks and student loan giant Sallie Mae out of most of the $92 billion college student loan business and require that all federal students loans originate with the government.

Private lenders would still have a role in servicing loans, such as helping collect them. Direct federal loans, unlike loans by banks, must be serviced by U.S. workers.

"This is good for students, taxpayers and American jobs," said House Education Committee Chairman George Miller, a Democrat.

Nonpartisan congressional budget analysts project that the measure would save about $61 billion over 10 years. Savings would go increased federal grants to the neediest students as well as to other education programs, including funding of community and historically black colleges.

While the House approved the measure last year, it stalled in the Senate in the face of a threatened Republican procedural hurdle that take 60 votes in the 100-member chamber to clear.

Democrats, however, now plan to bring up the measure in a manner that would require only a simply majority, 51 votes, to pass.

"It's a very bad idea," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said in denouncing the proposed student loan overhaul.

"We now have the government running banks, insurance companies, car companies" and Democrats want the government to now "take over the student loan business," McConnell said.

House Education Committee Chairman Miller defended the proposal, saying, "We can reform the student loan program by taking these wasteful subsidies (to private lenders) -- and redeem the savings for millions of families and students who want a shot at attending college."

How about that!!!??? Those little bastards buried this in the HCR bill that Barry just signed. Badda Boom Badda Bing... Just like that.

Gee Whiz do you think that the revenue collected by this program just may end up financing Obamacare. Neato!!

posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by jibeho

Those sneaky rascals, is putting it mildly. Trifecta, heck lets call it a dynasty on government control over private industry. Washington is really turning into a den of jackals. Apparently, they think their cunning is going unnoticed, but I think the worm is beginning to turn on that front. People are beginning to take notice, when MSNBC is reporting that trust in congress is practically in the toilet only days before passage, and probably much lower now?

NBC poll: 17% approve of Congress

The reason I mentioned MSNBC is for the simple reason there is a perception among many that they have become the cheerleaders of government at present. However, if MSNBC has to report that figure it should say something about the political climate at present. Then you have states lining up one after another to file suit against the federal government for the recent passage of Healthcare Reform.

14 state attorneys general file suit against health care reform law

I agree with you, and apparently those in the legislature will continue to usurp the will of the people and the constitution? There is more to follow if nothing of any substance is done to curtail the shady activities going on in congress and the executive branch at the moment. Thanks for bringing up how they slipped under the radar an over-haul of the Student Loan program. More to come, stay tuned!

[edit on 23-3-2010 by Jakes51]

posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 03:11 PM
reply to post by Jakes51

Indeed. CNN has been slowly coming around so it is nice to see that MSNBC has not completely gone off the deep end yet. Reality Bites for the MSM. You can only hide from it for so long until it eventually catches up to you.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by jibeho]

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