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Americans Misdirected Outrage

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posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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ATS seems to be consumed by hatred for the government these days because of the health care bill. I find the anger to be misplaced. It rightfully belongs to the insurance companies that got greedy and started screwing us! They gouged us by raising our rates again, and again, and again. Health insurance used to be 5% of our incomes to now being 17.5%. They cheated us by dropping our coverage right when we needed it most. They defrauded us by denying us coverage for an illness that was not our fault. They let us suffer and die, all in the name of profits and greed.

That led to our government stepping up in our defense. Who else would have? Who else could have? Now, when the government tries to right an injustice, we turn on them? And when I say them, I really mean us, the people. Least ye not forget that our government is owned and operated by US! YOU AND ME! We decide who represents us. We decide who makes the rules. And ultimately we decide who we let screw us and for how long. The time of being scammed by the insurance companies had long expired.

Health insurance lobbyist in conjunction with certain elements within our government that DON'T represent the people, (rhymes with depublicans) brainwashed a uncomfortably large segment of the American people to forget about the Evil Insurance Wizard behind the curtain pulling strings, and focus their anger on the only ones who could come to our rescue, ie; the government, aka; US!

They demonized the one body of Americans who could stop the madness. When we the people said "Enough! We will now make you adhere by OUR rules!" they concocted absurd lies about our rules and had us believe it. Lies like we wanted to kill our elderly so as not to pay for their care! Shame on them, and shame on the ones who let them convince us we would do such a thing! Lies like writing new rules for them to abide by, meant we wanted kill babies. Shame on them, and shame on us! They would have us believe the lie that Americans should only care about our own butts and not our neighbors. Shame on them, and shame on us! They would have us believe the lie that standing up for what Jesus taught us about caring for the poor would somehow lead us to enslavement, or socialism. Shame on them, and shame on us!

They sold us these lies while wearing our flag as a super hero cape. They preyed on our sense of patriotism, using it to disguise their agenda of enriching themselves at the expense of the lives of our families and friends. They condemned 45,000 fellow Americans to death every year for money! And some would defend this? Shame on them, and shame on us! They sent millions of our fellow Americans to live in the street because a son or daughter came down with Leukemia! Is this disgusting treatment acceptable to some? Shame on them, and shame on us! They tell us to believe these families are losers who need to get a job. That's right...SHAME!

They enslaved us to their system of rules and had us believe it was for our freedom! What is freedom, if not to dictate how we govern ourselves? Freedom to say we are not slaves to tyranny, oppression, or injustice. Our attempt to reform health insurance was acting upon our sense of freedom. It was freedom loving Americans standing up to those who would oppress us through monetary maltreatment that led to this reform. It was our sense of freedom that demanded that we tell the insurance companies they have victimized us long enough, and the time for reform had come.

Yet they convinced us that freedom is the right to choose to be exploited by them. They conditioned us to believe we should come to their defense from us, the victims!

Shame on us for allowing them to water down reform to the point where they still get to exist. We should have had single payer!! If their grip was not as strong on some of our elected leaders, and their influence on the weak minded not so widespread, then they would have been run out of this country, exiled forever, or just hung!

As an American, I am embarrassed to think the rest of the world was looking to us as a beacon of freedom. They have seen what we have let this disreputable, detestable industry do to our country and our definition of freedom. They must be shaking their heads now, reeling in the knowledge that real freedom has been hijacked by corporate greed disguised as freedom. This now is the freedom we defend?
Frank Lloyd Wright said: "A free America... means just this: individual freedom for all, rich or poor, or else this system of government we call democracy is only an expedient to enslave man to the machine and make him like it."

So go ahead and be angry about health care reform. Just remember where the anger should justly be directed. Not at us, our fellow Americans, our government, the victims, the families, or the dead. The anger rightly belongs to the insurance industry, and the people who defend their vile corruption that has been afflicted upon America!!

Get it right, and remember my words, because the banking industry is next and they are way more ruthless than the insurance crooks. They will use these same tricks on us because they know what works. The anti reformers are already spinning up their game. Don't let the banking vampires demonize our lawmakers!!

[edit on 23-3-2010 by 12GaugePermissionSlip]




posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Feed after it has been through the digestive tract of a male cow.

Nobody declines more insurance claims than Medicare/Medicaid. The reason that insurance rates are going up is that the GOVERNMENT is reducing the amount that it pays medical service providers. These providers have to make up the difference so they raise their rates. This leaves insurance providers and people without insurance holding the bag. Why is it that when ever you hear of Medicare/Medicaid having a funding problem, they always cut reimbursement rates, instead of reducing staff? Might it have something to do with the GOVERNMENT employee UNION?

It is just easier to make the insurance companies out to be the bad guys. Besides it fits Obama, Pelosi and Reid's socialist agenda. Not to mention their being in the union's backpocket.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Actually I would disagree with your entire premise of who's to blame. When EMTALA was passed back in 1986, that was said to have started the downward spiral of never-ending increasing healthcare premiums and associated costs.

Here's what I am referring to:


Financial pressures on hospitals in the 20 years since EMTALA's passage have caused them to consolidate and close facilities, contributing to emergency room overcrowding. According to the Institute of Medicine, between 1993 and 2003, emergency room visits in the U.S. grew by 26 percent, while in the same period, the number of emergency departments declined by 425.[7] Ambulances are frequently diverted from overcrowded emergency departments to other hospitals that may be farther away. In 2003, ambulances were diverted over a half a million times.[7]


The whole system is completely backwards. The more people that receive treatment without having to pay, the more the rest of us pay to cover them.

The current reform bill does nothing to stop this. Capping procedure costs will not stop the increase in our premiums since more and more people will now be able to receive procedures and still not be able to pay for them.

This doesn't even begin to get into how they are going to reduce the cost of the procedure itself in order to increase their profits despite being capped....



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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Right because we all know the Federal Government has Americans best intersts at heart and would never eeevvvvveeer do anything to harm US Americans.... You have a short Memory. This is nothing but a bailout for the Insurance Companies now you will be forced to buy Health Insurance.... Watch as your rates go up and up and up... And as Doctors begin to leave watch as your health care goes down and down and down...


Good job Dunderheads



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Stop being intelligent and making sense!
ATS is only for negativity, whining and complaining!
HOW DARE the evil Government do something to actually benifit 30 million of it's citizens directly, and most of us in the future!
What an evil conspiracy! DAMN LIBERALS!
The government SHOULD be cutting taxes for the rich and for corporations!
The rich are the real Americans, people without insurance are losers! If they worked hard, "woke up" and read ATS every day, why they wouldn't be sick in the first place!
ATS posters have an amazing grasp of reality, why their predictions arte 100% accurate! And the NEVER respond in a knee jerk manner!
Shame on Obama! Shame on LIBERALS!



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Obama wanted to have single payer, at first..

I think that would have been a good idea -- but, unfortunately, corporate America is too good at propaganda, and american's too dumb to see the truth.

Especially the republicans.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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The Emergency Room is a large part of the problem. Doctor's offices keep banker's hours. The one that I go to is only open from 9AM to 4PM Mon. thru Thur. and 9AM to 12PM on Friday. As I have said on other posts, I cut my leg on a Saturday afternoon. It wasn't life threatening, but, needed stitches. There is a time limit on how long you have to get it stitched, I think it is like 8 hours. So I HAD to go to the Emergency Room. I didn't need the full capabilities of the ER, but, there was no place else to go. When I was in Florida, there were places called "Acute Care Centers". They weren't a full blown ER, they were a place that treated minor injuries, coughs, colds, sprains and strains. They had evening and weekend hours and were less expensive than the ER. In fact my insurance company let me go there with a $0 co-pay. It is my understanding that most of those places have closed because of liability issues.

In my opinion, liability is one of the other main causes for health care costs. With the exception of the ER doctor's don't want to treat a patient that they don't know because of the liability involved. If I walk into a doctor's office with a cut leg and get stitches, it isn't the doctor's fault if I drop dead of a heart attack on the way back to my car. If your mechanic changes your oil, you don't sue him if your brakes go out on your way home. It isn't like that in medicine. Before I got the stitches in my leg, I had to have an EKG and a sonogram of my heart. These tests increased the cost of my visit by 200 to 400%. Until we start resolving these issues, nothing is going to change the costs associated with health care. It is a damn shame that the so called "Health Care Bill" does nothing to resolve any of them, all it does is to add more layers of Government to our existing system, contributing to the already excessive overhead costs.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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1. Terrible economic policy (medicare mishandling etc) is the reason medical care costs so much in the first place. Insurance should not even be needed. Imagine if you could pay for a check up out of pocket and not be broke.

2. Insurance companies want this bill because it will further increase the prices of medical care and insurance alike.

3. The lie that the insurance companies not liking this bill is disinfo. Corporations love it when the state cements their own existence.

4. The 'system' starts and ends with the state. The corporations use the power of the state to make money, and the state officials use the money from the corporations to maintain status quo.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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So I should be mad at the insurance companies and the republicans right now? Well guess what, I actually am. But in your obvious bias you forgot that the dems could pass what they want as they are the majority. They chose to make the insurance companies richer than they currently are. Are you honestly so naive that you think the dems would actually hurt their corporate masters? Politics is run by corporate america. The dems are great with propaganda. They still have you believing that they are indeed on your side. Republicans didn't pass this bill, insurance companies didn't pass this bill, the demotards passed this bill. I believe in hope and change. I believe we will never see it aside from complete disgusting globalization. This globalization is brought to you by the following, dems, reps, and corporations.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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Misdirected, well let me take a look at that word and its relationship to government in general.

The economic problems-Tied to government, banks and corporations causing the debacle. Yeah, we should be pissed about that.

The wars-alright this will get me flamed but the wars and our problems with other countries is our interventionist attitude. Close 85% of our foreign bases and bring our troops home. Let the world survive on its own.

The Federal Reserve-has stolen our SS funds our Medicare funds and our INCOME/LABOR for about a hundred years now.

Now to keep the massive draconian federal government afloat, we get SUPPOSED health care reform.

Misdirected, c'mon, you HAVE to be kidding me.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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Health care costs have little to do with insurance costs. The M.R.I machine,the C.A.T scanner.ultra sound equipment and a host of other medical machinery cost many thousands of dollars each. G.E makes a majority of these machines and make a huge profit from the sales. It doesn't take a quarter of a million dollars to build an M.R.I. machine,however that's about what they cost.
Hospitals have to pay for that equipment some how. That is part of the reason health care costs are so high.

Doctors have to practice defensive medicne,costing hundreds of dollars to avoid unwarrented law suites. That raises the cost of health care.



[edit on 23-3-2010 by daddyroo45]



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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Insurance companies don't have guns.

They rely on government to do the brutality on their behalf.

The government is the source of the tyranny, not insurance companies.

If government wasn't involved in regulating all competition out of the insurance industry, we wouldn't be facing the situation we are facing today.

Needless to say, the healthcare bill is going to end a lot of jobs due to its cost.



[edit on 23-3-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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If government wasn't involved in regulating all competition out of the insurance industry, we wouldn't be facing the situation we are facing today.

Hilarious! A TRUE believer in the "free market" BS!
Fact is, if it weren't for anti trust and other regulation, they would be price fixing.You are so quaint!



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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you've been mislead. this was orchestrated by the insurance companies. youll see why soon enough



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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How could they price fix if I decided to create a company that offers cheaper insurance and take all their customers?



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Agreed.


A lot of people -- especially those commenting from outside of the US -- have no idea that medical services vary greatly from state-to-state which is one huge problem with having a complete federal overhaul.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Thio has bill had nothing to do with healthcare. It was all about expanding the role of government and creating even more people who are taking in yet another form of welfare.

You don't get it. The more folks who are on the government dole the more folks become dependent on the government and thus the more folks who vote for the party of big government which is the democrats.

Watching the debate on TV about this and you have a person talking about the cost issues, the phony accounting and the quality of care issues on the one side. On the other you have some kid saying "my mama died because she had no insurance". Nonsense.

This is going to be fantastic. Folks are going to lose their jobs because firms can't pay the increased in insurance - hey thats OK, just more democrats being created because without a job, they'll go on welfare and food stamps. Fantastic

Next up is the immigration issue. Legalize a couple million indigent folks and then you have a couple million more democrats.

This is all about increasing the dependent class. From the New Deal to the "Great Society" to the "War on Poverty" to this. It is all about creating a dependent class.

By the way, the fact that your insurance premiums go up is not directly related to the profit of the insurance companys. How about you take a look at the margin of insurance companys. Insurance companys operate in a single digit margin, typically between 4% and 7%. They are not raking in the dough. The cost of medical care is what is increasing, not the cost of insurance.

Why do insurance companys like this? In some ways they love it because it gives them a guaranted cashflow. The congress has not done anything to solve the issue of increasing the cost of medical care. They have not done anything to create more competetion in the state run insurance markets. What they have done is create a situation where despite the guaranteed cashflows based on mandatory insurance purchase, the insurance companys will continue to lose margin. They will go out of business and every one will have to be insured by a government plan.

That will really fix the problem.

If you are looking for equality of care, look somewhere else. You are going to have the rich going to essentially private medical practices and paying for services with cash. You really think that an investment banker gives a rip about paying $15K for government insurance? He does not. You think Warren Buffet, that champion of socialism and higher taxes is going to go to the clinic to get his hip replaced?

If they were interested in fixing the problem they would have done a few marginal changes and then looked to incrementally solve the problem over time. They did not do that because they are not interested in anything but their own power and the way they get power is to get more folks dependent on them.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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The insurance corporations are laughing all the way to the bank. You do realize that this bill only helps them. It puts more money in their pocket by adding 30-40 million people to insurance and making it mandatory to purchase insurance from them!! Do you think they are going to lower premiums? Dream on. The insurance companies love this bill. Take a look at their stock prices this week.



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Erasurehead
The insurance corporations are laughing all the way to the bank. You do realize that this bill only helps them. It puts more money in their pocket by adding 30-40 million people to insurance and making it mandatory to purchase insurance from them!! Do you think they are going to lower premiums? Dream on. The insurance companies love this bill. Take a look at their stock prices this week.



That's right.

Insurance companies wrote this bill.

It creates a cartel of insurance companies that only the government can approve of.

This bill absolutely destroys what little competition there was in the insurance industry and forces people on to government approved private healthcare plans.

The insurance companies are indeed laughing all the way to the bank.



[edit on 23-3-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Mar, 23 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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