Child porn laws need overhaul

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Have you checked? You might have some on your computer right now.. It's unlikely, but that's the idea behind these viruses..

I remember back in the days of dailup, there were viruses that made your modem repeatedly call 911. This sort of thing happens *shrug*.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity I have never seen evidence of a "child-porn" subculture.

Neither have I.

I believe it is probably there (?)
But something you need to really search for very hard to discover.
These nasty people are reputedly very secretive and defensive, they are hardly likely to advertise their own moral depravity blatantly.

As one convicted notorious pedophile once admitted on a TV interview:

"There is nothing at all wrong with loving children, we would just rather prefer nobody ever knew".






[edit on 23/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

reply to post by Kaytagg


Which is why I won't be clicking any links.

In this day and age when every one has a cellphone/camera/internet connection handy at all times whats to stop a teenager say around the age of 14- 18 from taking naked pictures of themselves or their boy/girlfriends.
Whats funny is that regardless of whether or not this child porn is taken by or owned by a child it is criminal. Meaning a 15 year old girl takes a picture of herself and its found in her possesion she can be charged! way to stick it to those pedos eh.
Now you tell me you weren't sexualy active when you were in highschool and I'll tell you that you are a paragon of virtue. Hell I'll admit it I have stared long and hard at underage booty, mind i was underaged at the time, and never felt a stitch of shame...... well maybe a little shame

I doubt very much if you could be charge with being in possession of a picture of yourself.

But if it ever "escaped" you could be in trouble big time.

Originally posted by Kaytagg
Have you checked? You might have some on your computer right now.. It's unlikely, but that's the idea behind these viruses..I remember back in the days of dailup, there were viruses that made your modem repeatedly call 911. This sort of thing happens *shrug*.

Oh, I remember the very early days when the Internet was so full of holes that you could stomp around like the Jolly Green Giant, booting people offline, destroying their credit history, all sorts of nasty stuff.

Fortunately, Macintosh was never a big target of virus hackers — I think I only had, like, a total of three trojan horses in 20 years. Not even bad-ass viruses, kind of weak.

Meanwhile, the non-Mac PC community was just rolling in viruses, all kinds of amateur trojan horses, simple-minded worms, but also some really, really sophisticated code that commandeered your address book and started emailing malicious messages to your clients.

Ouch!

I've been spared all of that nonsense, and I've got a properly firewalled and monitored system here... Nothing comes in or goes out without my knowledge.

However, I'm sure that an FBI hack could plant anything on your computer — man, I know there is some code out there that would make Kirk's Kobayashi Maru Cheat look like a four-line Batch routine.

And the people that own the hottest code are going to own the world.

Let's say the Feds have just a few of the top hacks in the world. Those guys could put a folder full of child porn on a pre-selected private computer so easily, it's ridiculous. I mean, if you are connected to a phone line, these guys can get to you, regardless of your firewalls and monitors.

Once they plant that chicken in your pot, they can cook you, right?

— Doc Velocity

And the people that own the hottest code are going to own the world.

Let's say the Feds have just a few of the top hacks in the world. Those guys could put a folder full of child porn on a pre-selected private computer so easily, it's ridiculous. I mean, if you are connected to a phone line, these guys can get to you, regardless of your firewalls and monitors.

Once they plant that chicken in your pot, they can cook you, right?

— Doc Velocity

That being my biggest concern and mostly the idea/intent behind my post. Very well said.

This is kind of what I was trying to get at and Im glad someone pointed it out.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by AzoriaCorp]

Yeah, it could be scary.

That's why we need not so much a revamp of child porn laws but we need TRANSPARENCY in those federal operations against American citizens.

And we need to REMOVE the legal immunity that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies enjoy, right? Make them responsible for falsely prosecuting people, and make them pay for the lives they destroy, right.

I mean, the federal government has been caught in the act of breaking laws and destroying lives, including outright murdering people. See the Ruby Ridge Incident and the litigation thereafter for evidence of the just how evil the federal government can be.

THAT'S where we need to focus our attention, on the UNCONSTITUTIONAL foundation of our leading law enforcement agencies.

— Dpc Velocity

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Yeah, it could be scary.

That's why we need not so much a revamp of child porn laws but we need TRANSPARENCY in those federal operations against American citizens.

And we need to REMOVE the legal immunity that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies enjoy, right? Make them responsible for falsely prosecuting people, and make them pay for the lives they destroy, right.

I mean, the federal government has been caught in the act of breaking laws and destroying lives, including outright murdering people. See the Ruby Ridge Incident and the litigation thereafter for evidence of the just how evil the federal government can be.




THAT'S where we need to focus our attention, on the UNCONSTITUTIONAL foundation of our leading law enforcement agencies.

— Dpc Velocity

Yes also very well said. I also agree with the transparency and accountability on the authority's part but I also think full funding of the investigation should be provided for BOTH parties. Including computer forensics to investigate the "offenders" computer to fully ensure that all variables and possibilities are ruled out. After all, a charged individual's fate should not rest on his wallet but upon justice itself. Agreed?

[edit on 23-3-2010 by AzoriaCorp]

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

And the people that own the hottest code are going to own the world.

Let's say the Feds have just a few of the top hacks in the world. Those guys could put a folder full of child porn on a pre-selected private computer so easily, it's ridiculous. I mean, if you are connected to a phone line, these guys can get to you, regardless of your firewalls and monitors.

Once they plant that chicken in your pot, they can cook you, right?

— Doc Velocity

Ever heard of Magic Lantern? It was a backdoor virus that the FBI tried to have whitelisted by the major antivirus companies. God knows what they could have done with it, and whether they've succeeded since...

If they can extract info they can deposit info and as you've stated before Doc, all it will take is an allegation for pedophilia and your life is over. Threaten anyone with that and they'll keep their mouth shut about anything.

reply to post by tigpoppa


Aye yankee, you can keep your crap on your side of the fence!
As for the american "cultural purity", now there's a joke

Be a good "patriot" and take responsibility of your own probs!

Last year I was fixing a computer at the club I belong to. It was locked up with malware and a few viruses. The malware placed a folder of images on the computer that looked like kiddie porn and tried to extort money from the computer's owner by stating that if they paid $40 they would get the key to remove the malware. If they didn't then the computer's IP address would be sent to law enforcement. We had good backups so I just wiped the hard drive totally and reinstalled everything.

Later I talked to my sister, who works in computer forensics, and told her about the malware. She said that they had been notified about it and that the images were not child porn, they were just made to look that way. That it was a scam to get credit card numbers when people panicked and paid the $40.

Then she told me about the case that they were working on at the time. A couple had dated all through high school and were married upon graduation. They were both attending college in the County, where my sister works for the District Attorney's office. This couple had made a video of them having sex, while they were both under 18. They had a copy of the video on their computer. They had taken their computer in for an upgrade and a tech found the video and turned it in to the Police. At that time child porn charges had been filed only against the man in the video, not against his wife. At the time the video was made the man was only two months short of his 18th birthday, while his wife was 16. Because of the age difference, they wanted to charge the man as an adult and drop charges against the woman because she was a juvinile.

A judge later dropped all of the charges and disnmissed the case, but, not before the man was expelled from college and fired from his job. As a side note. Because charges were filed against him and dropped against her, neither one can work in their chosen profession. Both were going to school to become teachers and the laws of the State won't let them be certified.

reply to post by JIMC5499


Yep, it seems to me there is more to child porn policy than just protecting children. Its a covert smear campaign that can and will be used against certain individuals who oppose ideas, politics, or someone that just doesnt like them that has this power. It all needs to be reigned in before more innocent lives are ruined. Its not that difficult, we can still protect the children of this country and the innocent accused. Accountiability, transparency, and responsibility for the authority alleging these crimes and state funding for full thorough investigations, AND immunity and amnesty if charges are dropped/ found not guilty. But I guess that would ruin any agenda or abuse of power for the system, so we wont see this happen.

How about more severe, final punishments for those who actually MAKE child porn?

I'm not talking about 19 year old boyfriends and 16 year old girlfriends, I'm talking about 20-30 year olds and 12 year olds, etc.

I'm talking about foreigners who go to other countries to abuse the kids there, nothing happens to them these abusers when they come back to their respective countries.

The government turns a blind eye to these criminals, more so if these criminals are wealthy or connected.

reply to post by Doc Velocity

So, HOW can a handful of perverts who are running so far below the surface affect the entire Internet?

Try thinking out of the box for a moment.

Example.

Do you REALLY THINK it's TERRORISTS that are the reason behind the full body scanners at airports?

No. They're the EXCUSE for MORE REGULATION.

Just as child porn will be an excuse to enforce Net-Regulation and/or Net-ID, etc.

Why do people put up with the scanners, and why in time will they put up with Net-ID or Net-Regulation?

Because too many people believe 'Hey, I'm not doing anything wrong so what do I have to be afraid of.' OR 'If my having to use Net-ID and Net-Regulation keeps those children safe I'm all for it.'

So, go ahead and laugh Mr. I've-Been-on-the-Internet since the 80's, cause if you have you sure haven't learned much yet.

As for this part of your response?

Quite 'chumpish' if I do say so myself.

peace

[edit on 24-3-2010 by silo13]