Now you are FORCED to buy health insurance, what will you eliminate to afford it?, page 2


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reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 07:05 AM by SantaClaus
reply to post by belial259



Well if you think that this current plan of nothing but profit is working better for us, then I guess i have nothing else to say to you. This bill will help more americans than it pisses off, and when they see their premiums eventually fall when the system improves on efficiency, I won't be the one who said told you so to the cancer victim who would've been uninsured otherwise.


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 07:11 AM by rusethorcain
reply to post by Cabaret Voltaire



Considering we've got 4 years to think about that...not too worried really.

Maybe I'll give up saturated fats at $4 bucks a bag! What a savings there $608 X 4 years. $1232 !!! Add soda and I can insure someone else too!

If you are under 26 you don't have to worry about insurance right now since you can get coverage under your parents policy.
I guess it is time to start saving that money. What is it worth to have children with pre-existing conditions covered?

And the ridiculous excesses imposed by insurance companies stripped from Medicare billing like $20 for an aspirin saves millions over the years. Republicans call this a "cut to Medicare."

Savings the CBO wasn't allowed to figure in is Emergency Room costs going down and transferred onto all of us

Cost of care will go down since electronic medical records will prevent not only the cost of OVER PRESCRIBING MEDICINE, which isn't cheap one prescription can be hundreds even thousands of dollars! But may even make a dent in the number of deaths by over prescription of drugs.
WHAT kind of push do you think the drug companies were placing to prevent this? What do they care really how many drugs you are on?

The fury over passage of this bill was so heated, and went on for 15 months because once it was passed, people would love it!
It was imperative it not be passed.
We all have preventative care paid for. A major step in the right direction and you will see a more physically vigorous populace. One that COULD theoretically win a war if asked to fight. Not the fat blobs hooked up to the American disease management system and paying through their IV's.

People scream about what they pay...Nobody has paid anything and they won't until about five years from now and only then to get some insurance.
1) If you are here typing away on this thread chances are you don't make enough money to be concerned about a raise in taxes. You are not in the top 2% of earners. It won't even affect you.
2) We all pay double what we should in medical bills (at least twice considering value received) because insurance companies the middleman takes the most off the top (stealing from us, our doctors and nurses and medical providers) thus profiting from every specific diagnoses, medical test, pharmaceutical prescribed and illness suffered.
Once you set a precedent like that, where your illness makes someone rich - you are effectively at the mercy of a drug pusher and his pimp.
3) Scream when you lay out the first dollar and be sure to consider and subtract what you and your children and family saved in the long run. Then cry.







[edit on 22-3-2010 by rusethorcain]



reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 07:13 AM by SantaClaus
Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to
post by Cabaret Voltaire



If you are under 26 you don't have to worry about insurance right now since you can get coverage under your parents policy.


I wish this were the case. I'm 25 and hopeless when it comes to getting insured.


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 08:50 AM by FiatLux
What I find that is so strange is......more and more people being put out of work, meaning fewer taxes collected. Ok, with fewer taxes collected, where`s the money going to come from to pay for it? Do you raise the taxes on those who are still working? Like they can afford it, right? Yea......ok. Do you like the idea of your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren getting stuck with paying for this? And do you think the price will never go up? If you don`t, think again, show me where the price of anything ever stays down or never went up.

It seems to me, that before the government starts jumping the gun on such a costly venture as health care is, they would like maybe get all of the people back to work, am I right? No, lets just throw an ever bigger tax hike on the few who are still working.....yea, makes all kinds of sense doesn`t it? Nothing like making life just a little rougher for those who are having a bad enough time of it now, the way the economy is. Where is all of this money going to come from to pay for this, let alone all of the bailouts and stimulus packages that have been passed? From the taxes paid in by those who are working at this time? Get real, ok? You can`t stimulate an economy by bailing out banks who in turn will not loan the money to everyday people. You can`t stimulate an economy with stimulus money that only creates short term jobs, and not long term jobs. And even bigger, you can`t get an economy moving by taking away even more money from those few who are still working, it only froces them into the hole even faster.

Think about it.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by FiatLux]


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 09:31 AM by lpowell0627
Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to
post by Cabaret Voltaire


It might cost something but it's right.

If you have the world's biggest economy you can't have people without health-care...


You would think that living in the country with the world's biggest economy the majority of people would be able to find work and afford health insurance on their own?!

I am an Aussie and am recovering from follow up surgery right now.
I have had emergency surgery two years ago and repairs last week...
...and there were no direct costs to me...
...all paid by my taxes paid over thirty years of work.


That sounds good. Unfortunately, Australia does not have the swath of entitlement programs that the United States does. If we were ONLY supporting healthcare, perhaps it wouldn't be such an outrageous amount of money. But we just dumped another 30 million people into a system that is already tapped out on cash. See, we also have Medicaid and Medicare which also provide healthcare to seniors and those less fortunate.

Unfortunately, both systems are broken and instead of actually fixing them, they have now merely added to the problem.

Lastly, the Federal Government has mandated that the states pick up the tab for the additional people that will now qualify for Medicaid. And in case Australia didn't get the memo -- the states are already broke as well and beginning to pass taxes for everything from soda to purchasing a metro card. Not to mention increased property taxes on homes that lost an average of 30% of their value in the last 2 years.

Health care should be available on the basis of needs not whether you can pay.


No hospital in this country can turn a person away in need of emergency medical care due to their ability to pay and/or whether or not they have health insurance. It's called charity care.

If you don't qualify for charity care, you can get surgery in the US when you need it and make payment arrangements as low as $5 per month. I know, I did it.

...America turned a moral corner today and I am proud of you.



Perhaps morally. Unfortunately, morals don't pay my mortgage and morals don't put food on my table.

We are raising an entire generation of people that think they have to work for nothing, are entitled to everything, and that there is always someone else to pick up the tab.

How that mentality is going to keep the United States functioning for any period of time here forward, I have no idea.


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 09:32 AM by Genfinity
If you don't pay enough in taxes, I have good news for you.

Your about to pay more.

Maybe you have health care already. Maybe you have health care for your entire family. To bad; your going to pay more to.

You don't have to work anywhere special to get health care. You can purchase it on your own if you like. You might as well because now you are required by law.

I wonder what Barrack's next great idea will be?

This morning, small business owners all over America are warning their employees they might liqudate the company. Simply because they won't be able to afford the new health care taxes. Is Wal-Mart still hiring? McDonalds?

If I told you what will probably happen in November, and I was right, would you think I was a prophet or just another internet yahoo with common sense?

2012 will be another interesting election year? Will Barack even make it out of the Deomcratic Primary or will The Hillary eat him for snack?

Health care for all looks great on paper. So do the accounting figures for Enron. And MCI. And Washington Mutual. Communism looks good on paper to until you figure out way to late that you don't have personal rights anymore?

So my question is; How many rights are you willing to give away before and stand up for yourself and make a stand?

And this one; what kind of stand did you have in mind?

And lastly; Assuming you make a stand, how far are you willing to go?

In closing, I would like to remind everyone that today is the anniversary of "The Stamp Act Of 1775." How fitting.


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 09:55 AM by rusethorcain
reply to post by Genfinity


If I quit cigarettes chips and soda I can buy health insurance for a few people. It doesn't start until another four years anyway so there is plenty of time to plan.

At least when you spend the money required in four years you are going to get something for it.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by rusethorcain]


reply posted on 22-3-2010 @ 09:57 AM by dariousg
reply to post by Cabaret Voltaire



It's actually a sad day. I love the guy who made a post calling us all idiots for being against this. Well, we'll see who the idiots are when this is all said and done. Why? Well, because that idiot that created that post probably thought that this healthcare was going to be free. LOL

He didn't see that one coming I bet.



My only problem with your post, and I understand why you have done it, is the B. Hussein O. statement at the end.
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