Hey You... Yeah, you! The one complaining about the Healthcare Reform Bill...

Originally posted by Well
everyone should just shut up about this and hit the joint, youll feel better

Exactly what I would expect to hear from an individual who helped to elect our current administration. Obama wasn't elected based on experience or knowledge. He was elected because he was African American. The only reason this bill passed was partisan politics. The majority of the US population didn't want it, so what does that say? Politicians being politicians. The Dems in the house backed their boy while the rest of us stood there screaming no.

This is what we get when we hire the new guy to run the country!

reply to post by DazedDave


There's the difference Dave. You Live in Canada... See, when this is all said and done we will not only have to continue paying our taxes every year to the Federal Government and State Government, but we will also be required to continue paying for it through our employer and will more than likely be nickel and dimed to death everytime we show up at a hospital or Dr's office. "well sir, in order for me to look in the back of your throat I need to use this tongue depressor which will be an additional $20 added to your co-pay."

Originally posted by zappafan1
To those who support this health $$ black hole. You and I are walking down the street in any large city, and we see a guy standing there who tells us: "I need eye surgery soon or I will go blind." I take some money from my wallet and give it to him.... do you have a problem with that? OK, how about if, after he says what he does, I then turn around and steal the money YOU have and give it to him. You still OK with that? I didn't think so. Welcome to the world you support.

I actually learned something from the one time I watched "Three's Company"
Some sort of prophet came into their bar, and that blonde girl was impressed, and she took her male roommate's change to give to him, and the prophet guy said,
"Charity from someone else's pocket isn't charity, it's stealing."

Things you learn from terrycloth TV.

Now the hangover is setting in. Questions now about how we are going to pay for it. All you socialized medicine proponents do know that we always intended to pay for this with borrowed money right? Now that its law and no one wants to give us money to pay for it....what ever do we do now?

No body wants to buy our bonds.
Social security is now paying out more than is taking in.

www.realclearpolitics.com...

Were in for a bumpy ride folks.

To quote part of the article:

Barack Obama's project of transforming the United States into something like Western Europe is, according to the CBO, raising the national debt burden on the economy to World War II levels. I see train wrecks ahead -- as the bond market forces huge spending cuts or tax increases first on states and then on the federal government. It will make what happened in the House Sunday look pretty.


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I will return the please and say this. Obviously by your response you don't know the constitution.

But if you know where, in the constitution, it says that UHC is illegal, it shouldn't be hard for you to cite it.

If you're just regurgitating talking points from Conservative talk radio and TV, then by all means, keep dodging the question.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by rick1

 

I will return the please and say this. Obviously by your response you don't know the constitution.

But if you know where, in the constitution, it says that UHC is illegal, it shouldn't be hard for you to cite it.

If you're just regurgitating talking points from Conservative talk radio and TV, then by all means, keep dodging the question.

It doesnt say anything about healthcare. That the point... This is real simple so you and hopefully everyone else can get this. If its not in the constitution.......wait for it ..............wait for it....( drumroll ) Its unconstitutional. There we have it! Pretty easy stuff!

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Okay - keep dodging. If it's unconstitutional, you should be able to cite where the Constitution shows that something like UHC is unconstitutional.

You can't just keep making things up without evidence to back them man, it's very unbecoming.

The rage and anger is "bi-partisan". It's not only republican conservatives who are angry and this push and shove government, my way or screw you mentality, it democrats and independents as well.

The present government in Washington, namely, the "democrat socialist party" led by Obama, needs to be removed from office.

It was said that Bush lied. But Obama LIED.................! and lied and lied.

They blamed the original bailout on Bush for 780 Billion. But Obama did a couple of "stimulus packages for 2.5 TRILLION............. dollars.

They whined and complained because the Repubs were going to use the "nuclear option", yet the socialist democrats did.


Yes, we'll complain, and rightly so. And then come November we'll swarm the voting places like a flood early, and into the night. And the socialist democrats won't be able to find enough dead people, cartoon characters, and ACORN workers to catch up. They will all be dust in the road behind real change, and real hope.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

Okay - keep dodging. If it's unconstitutional, you should be able to cite where the Constitution shows that something like UHC is unconstitutional.

You can't just keep making things up without evidence to back them man, it's very unbecoming.

I just told you that the wording that says the government has to provide universal healthcare is not in there. How is that dodging? See thats the the problem. The constitution is a document of negative rights for the government not a document of positive rights for the government. What ever is a negative right for the federal government it a positive for the states and local governments. Thats the beauty in its simplicity. It tells the government what it cant do to you and not what it is supposed to do for you.

But while you're asking why don't you take a look at the 10th amendment because that is the one that is the most applicable here.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It is a states right to choose and or reject whether it wants to implement this type of legislation for itself and not the federal government to mandate to the states. It is unconstitutional.


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Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

Okay - keep dodging. If it's unconstitutional, you should be able to cite where the Constitution shows that something like UHC is unconstitutional.

You can't just keep making things up without evidence to back them man, it's very unbecoming.

It's there, it's the " 13th Amendment to the Constitution ". UHC free of charge and without penalty for refusing is one thing, but telling me I have to have it, and have to pay for it, under penalty of law is quite another.

Originally posted by Fromabove

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

Okay - keep dodging. If it's unconstitutional, you should be able to cite where the Constitution shows that something like UHC is unconstitutional.

You can't just keep making things up without evidence to back them man, it's very unbecoming.

It's there, it's the " 13th Amendment to the Constitution ". UHC free of charge and without penalty for refusing is one thing, but telling me I have to have it, and have to pay for it, under penalty of law is quite another.

13th amendment:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

If anything I'd say that this can be interpreted in in the universal healthcare opponents favor. Since we are now under the financial slavery of China because we have to borrow the money to pay for Social Security and UHC.


[edit on 26-3-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

All This Moaning?
Quintessentially those that don't want the American National Health Service really are people that believe if you can't afford it you die? and in the same breath would give money to Hiati Disaster funds for instance. Here in the UK we have had the NHS(National Health Service) since 1948 we aren't Communists....Communists didn't start the organisation either. How can people who think they are civilized think that standing for not helping those that are less fortunate is a good thing. I find it quite repulsive to think that people would react to helping others in such a Machiavellian manner.

The NHS has served the British well and even in these strapped for cash times it continues to do its best. This institute is one of the few things we are proud of and the benifits outway any cost of which is small spread though out the life of each person living in the UK. Rather than paying a Privately owned health insurer who plays golf and goes on holiday with your money when the people that don't get ill keep paying into his FAT CAT DEEP BOTTOMLESS POCKET. Instead in the NHS usually the money gets used to improve as best it can its service. I know what I prefer, I can sleep at night knowing that my national contributions has helped some parent or child escape the horrors of Cancer or Disease. And when I need this service myself I know its there and no Proviso will be made on what I can pay at the time or if my Insurance covers it.

Sleep Wel........Hope You Can Sleep Well those that opose to help all as equal.

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
All This Moaning?
Quintessentially those that don't want the American National Health Service really are people that believe if you can't afford it you die? and in the same breath would give money to Hiati Disaster funds for instance. Here in the UK we have had the NHS(National Health Service) since 1948 we aren't Communists....Communists didn't start the organisation either. How can people who think they are civilized think that standing for not helping those that are less fortunate is a good thing. I find it quite repulsive to think that people would react to helping others in such a Machiavellian manner.

The NHS has served the British well and even in these strapped for cash times it continues to do its best. This institute is one of the few things we are proud of and the benifits outway any cost of which is small spread though out the life of each person living in the UK. Rather than paying a Privately owned health insurer who plays golf and goes on holiday with your money when the people that don't get ill keep paying into his FAT CAT DEEP BOTTOMLESS POCKET. Instead in the NHS usually the money gets used to improve as best it can its service. I know what I prefer, I can sleep at night knowing that my national contributions has helped some parent or child escape the horrors of Cancer or Disease. And when I need this service myself I know its there and no Proviso will be made on what I can pay at the time or if my Insurance covers it.

Sleep Wel........Hope You Can Sleep Well those that opose to help all as equal.

You do realize that most if not all of out survivability rates for diseases are higher that yours? Why would we want to implement a system that would cause us to backslide to your level of survivability. Do we have to have a lower survivability rate for us to be considered to have a better system now? I guess we'll catch you soon.

Higher for those you count! as in those that can't aren't on your list no doubt.e.g those that can't afford it!!
I stand by what I say.

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Originally posted by DreamerOracle
Higher for those you count! as in those that can't aren't on your list no doubt.e.g those that can't afford it!!
I stand by what I say.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by DreamerOracle]

Well this is a conspiracy website to that would fall right in line with its theme.

Take Care

I find your post somewhat pointless.
Your assuming that everyone who disagrees with this bill was a Bush supporter.
I find Obamas presidency as offensive as Bushs presidency.
In fact, they are not all that different when you look at their voting records.
This health reform bill is an insult to the US Constitution.
Obama is no better than Bush. They are all just puppets anyways.
Republican party and Democratic party are one in the same.
Remember the phrase, "divide and conquer"? That is the rule of this nation i believe.

meh. you are a #ign idiot. this bill is expanding power unconstitutionally.

the whole point of this healthcare bill is to further the NWO control over the US. However obama is makign little progress and the elite realize he wont be in for another term. EXPECT EXTREME CIVIL UNREST

reply to post by Snarf

I am not biting. Do your own homework. I know you won't because it takes some serious research and much work. Not only do you have to read the constitution but then you must refer to the federalist papers.

reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf


You're wasting your breath man.