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Bush's partial birth abortion ban shot down by California Supreme Court Judge.

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posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 04:59 PM
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namehere, I hereby ban you to go into you little corner for making such stupid comments.




posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by MrJingles
namehere, I hereby ban you to go into you little corner for making such stupid comments.


its not dumb, if you act like a dip # then you get what you give yourself.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by namehere


no, if you read you'd see i said its not all the mans fault, if the woman is the slut type or just acts stupid and does that then it is her fault.

i didnt infer all women are that way, dont twist my words


maybe you didn't infer that. However, regardless if a woman is a 'slut', or 'stupid', the guy is still at 'fault.'



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:05 PM
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I didn't rob the bank I just drove the getaway vehicle. That's what you sound like when you say its all the woman's fault for getting pregnant.

Abortion: It may be murder, but its legal. And its a right. The government has no business telling people what it can and can't do.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by parrhesia

maybe you didn't infer that. However, regardless if a woman is a 'slut', or 'stupid', the guy is still at 'fault.'


lol, but not ALL, its partly both their fault, i was saying its not just our fault



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by MrJingles
I didn't rob the bank I just drove the getaway vehicle. That's what you sound like when you say its all the woman's fault for getting pregnant.

Abortion: It may be murder, but its legal. And its a right. The government has no business telling people what it can and can't do.


no, legal dont = right, thats a dumb assumption.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by namehere


no, legal dont = right, thats a dumb assumption.


Having the RIGHT to do something and something being morally *right* are two different connotations.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Narnia

Originally posted by namehere


no, legal dont = right, thats a dumb assumption.


Having the RIGHT to do something and something being morally *right* are two different connotations.



i know..i just forgot to type an 'a'.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:15 PM
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Funny how this post can get turned into a battle of the sexes........


The issue is murder........ Not a sex blame game.

It's nice to take the responsibility off the woman and put it on the man, when it's the woman's responsibility to put it up for adoption instead of killing it to suit her own selfishness.

It's nice the a woman can put the responsibility onto the man when it's her fault too for consenting a non condom sexual interaction and thus conceiving...

It's nice you can be pro choice but not pro adoption because you just couldn't "bear the thought of seeing it actually alive and blinking" because then you would want it. And you wouldn't want to give it up for adoption then, so #ing kill the thing, afterall it's not totally human because you can't physically see it.


So yeah sugar coat it all you want and stand up for women's lib, but the fact of the matter is, that bill is all about BANNING AN INHUMANE PRACTICE.

Abortion is one thing if it's in the first trimester, it's another when it's in the growth spurt (second trimester) with a brain, neuron's, feelings, arms, legs, and a heart.

so again, it's your duty as a human being to stand up for another human life and give it up for adoption, or abort it in the first trimester, and if you find out later on after the first trimester put it up for adoption...

That is your duty as a compassionate human being, to make sure another human being gets a good home, and a good life, something the mom knew she couldn't do from the beginning... It all comes down to selfishness...
Which is part of human error.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by namehere

you know what? life is hard, abortion is a lazy solution and its not acceptable.


You could not be more wrong with that statement if you tried.

True, life is hard if you make the wrong choices.
Abortion is not a lazy solution it is a well thought choice. Not thinking about if you really want a child and having it anyways is the lazy way.
Unwanted children are simply un-acceptable.
Abortion is a choice and is completely acceptable.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by ashley

Abortion is not a lazy solution it is a well thought choice. Not thinking about if you really want a child and having it anyways is the lazy way. Why can't you or anybody comment on adoption??? Abortion is lazy and inhumane, not to mention SELFISH, and did I mention selfish?!
Having the baby and giving it up for adoption shows courage, strength, and compassion for human life, and definitely exceeds selflessness, if you give that life a chance to grow and make a difference int he world by giving it up for adoption you are doing a great thing, rather then killing it because the woman decided "she" couldn't handle it without having any regard for human life. Now that is selfish, discraceful, murder, only thinking about the best interest of herself, and not thinking about the babies.


Unwanted children are simply un-acceptable. Do you hear yourself/??
Unwanted children maybe unwanted to the woman having the abortion, the baby isn't unwanted to the millions of people who are signed up on a sheet waiting to adopt because they can't have one... No child is unwanted in another persons eyes.

If the mother thought, "ok i'm going to give it up for adoption for the betterment of the baby, i'm doing a good thing, it will also give me the ability to do what I want with my life"

Instead of just thinking about herself.

wrong wrong wrong.... You drank the same rotten egg they drank hoping to get a sense of empowerment... And obviously it's poisened your sense logic and humanity.


Abortion is a choice and is completely acceptable. If it's in the first trimester and still a zygote. Also, these teenagers apparantly never heard of the morning after pill either. Double shame.




[Edited on 2-6-2004 by TrueLies]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:40 PM
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Did I ever say abortion was right? No. My morals are irrelevant in this situation.

Partial abortions may not be right, but that doesn't mean the government can still say what to do with your body.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by ashley

Originally posted by namehere

you know what? life is hard, abortion is a lazy solution and its not acceptable.


You could not be more wrong with that statement if you tried.

True, life is hard if you make the wrong choices.
Abortion is not a lazy solution it is a well thought choice. Not thinking about if you really want a child and having it anyways is the lazy way.
Unwanted children are simply un-acceptable.
Abortion is a choice and is completely acceptable.


if you say so, i know people rarely think before acting, why are unwanted children un-acceptable? what kind of nazi are you? thats something they'd say, partial BIRTH abortionis wrong and anyone supporting it deserves to be shot.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by MrJingles
Did I ever say abortion was right? No. My morals are irrelevant in this situation.

Partial abortions may not be right, but that doesn't mean the government can still say what to do with your body.


but in partial birth the baby isnt part of the womans body at that point.

want to see pics of partial birth abortions? it clearly shows the baby is fully formed.

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by namehere]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by MrJingles
Did I ever say abortion was right? No. My morals are irrelevant in this situation.

Partial abortions may not be right, but that doesn't mean the government can still say what to do with your body.



Actually the government is there to make sure there is equality for all ....Sometimes thats something human beings can't do on their own...In the name of pride and selfishness.

Partial abortions is unfair TO THE BABY.

A sense of checks and balances goes like this:

" I'm going to give my baby up for adoption so I can have a better life as well as she/he can".

That's fair to both parties involved.

It's unfair to murder a baby in the second trimester because the mother is only thinking of herself and only her emotions...
And remember, women makes choices mostly off of emotion. Men make choices from logic...

In this case logic scream that this is murder.

Either use a condom, if your stupid and too lazy not too, get the morning after pill, if your too stupid and lazy then, get the abortion in the first trimester, if your too stupid and lazy then, put it up for adoption so it can have a good healthy home, cuz lord knows that scuz bucket is definitely unfit if she couldn't do any of the above before the second tri...



[Edited on 2-6-2004 by TrueLies]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:49 PM
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but in partial birth the baby isnt part of the womans body at that point.


I know that. Does it really matter? This is a rare event, and I think there is something wrong with partial abortions. But it is an abortion nonetheless.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by MrJingles
I know that. Does it really matter? This is a rare event, and I think there is something wrong with partial abortions. But it is an abortion nonetheless.


but its a living baby...

heres a quote to show my point.

" I stood at the doctors side and watched him perform a partial-birth abortion on a woman who was six months pregnant. The babys heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen. The doctor delivered the babys body and arms, everything but his little head. The babys body was moving. His little fingers were clasping together. He was kicking his feet. The doctor took a pair of scissors and inserted them into the back of the babys head, and the babys arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall. Then the doctor opened the scissors up. Then he stuck the high-powered suction tube into the hole and sucked the babys brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I never went back to the clinic. But I am still haunted by the face of that little boy. It was the most perfect, angelic face I have ever seen."

[Edited on 2-6-2004 by namehere]



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 06:04 PM
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Ok, so these women who get partial abortions done would rather have this done because they think they couldn't take care of it? Or they wouldn't want to put it up for adoption because then they wouldn't be able to deal with the grief of parting with the baby...


This is one of the reasons why I hate humanity... I love em, but I hate em, and this is a perfect example.
Not only do they have the abortion pill, the morning after pill, condoms, birth control, they have an early on abortion where they aren't fully formed...


So to stand up and say well i'm pro choice it's a women's right to choose, is basically saying, in spite of the baby being full grown, and the ability to put it up for adoption so it can have a better life, your a selfish woman, and don't give a # about your mistake, you don't want to make good and give the baby an opportunity to live, and all and all saying your self indulgent.. That's the impression I get...

There is no excuse for this... You know it's murder so you tap dance around what it really is... Admit it... It's cruel, unfair, and blatantly obvious that it's murder and you approved it for your own selfish reasons...

Wow, I sound like a broken record... I'm all for women's rights too, but i'm also all for a baby getting a good home and a good like with some adoptee's who couldn't conceive...

You gotta start thinking outside your ass because your points really stink.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 06:16 PM
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its western society, its become fat, self serving, greedy, lazy, out of control and tries to excuse these things by claiming to be wise and condemning morallity as ignorant and religious fervor, society deserves oppression if it cant respect freedom and it clearly doesnt unless it benefits them.



posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 06:48 PM
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Could anyone give me any information as to why it is necessary to have a partial birth abortion? Other than it's a right of choice. I mean there had to be a medical reason for this orginally, yes/no?

I see these pictures and the fetus appears to be viable. Why don't they continue with delivery and adopt it out?

I want some additional info before I make a judgement on this.




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