More Turn Out for Immigration Than For Healthcare!

Today, on the biggest day that liberals have had in this healthcare battle, on the day where they are poised to pass historical heath reform, Washington was PACKED with demonstrators...

Only, they were for Immigration reform....

By unofficial counts, there were over 200,000 people rallying for immigration reform:
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And some early estimates put the healthcare protests between 300 to 1000 people.
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Looks like the wind is out of the sails on this one, eh folks?





[edit on 21-3-2010 by tommy_boy]

reply to post by tommy_boy


Oh no friend this immigrant rights rally just proves part of the point. You dont suppose this was a timing thing do you? Wake up we are not that stupid.

reply to post by Logarock


Give me a break. If the Republican Party wanted to AND COULD fill that mall, they would have. Truth is they couldn't. The opposition in the numbers and scale that righties profess is made up. Admit it. Only the fringe are pissed about this.

Originally posted by tommy_boy
Admit it. Only the fringe are pissed about this.

Exactly.

Opposition to Health Care reform has been played up by certain elements of the media (Fox) in order to make it seem as if it is the end of the world.

Interestingly enough, their plan seems to be backfiring:

QUESTION: Does the fact that every Republican Member of Congress opposes the current health care proposals make you more likely to support the legislation, less likely, or doesn’t that make much difference either way?

More likely to support legislation: 27%
Less likely to support legislation: 20%
No difference: 51%

Kaiser

Originally posted by tommy_boy
reply to post by Logarock

 

Give me a break. If the Republican Party wanted to AND COULD fill that mall, they would have. Truth is they couldn't. The opposition in the numbers and scale that righties profess is made up. Admit it. Only the fringe are pissed about this.

Dude I would admit it if it were true, but its not.

As far as who could fill what cant you see through the timing of the rights march?

And for the republicans and tea party folks....they have jobs to go to.

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Have you been watching any of the debate in the house today?

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I don't think it shows any such thing. Since the Tea Party doesn't have benefit of the memberships of the SEUI and Acorn, as well as the probably high number of illegals there, of course the numbers would be skewed. Besides didn't he make a promise to some of the Hispanic dems that if they voted yes on health care he'd take care of immigration next. Seems par for the course for this administration.

They aren't listening to the polls concerning this bill. They aren't listening to the mail they get about this issue. They pretty much promised that they will pass this issue. They pretty much bribed a lot of people to pass this issue.

Why would people show up to protest when they know the game is rigged?

IMO, Reps are just as happy as Dems that this bill will pass. Gives them ammo for the upcoming election.

It isn't about the people, all about the power.

So because there were not millions of people kicking and screaming in Washington DC means everyone wants the bill to pass?

Who's to say the People are not at home watching C-Span to see if they need to arm up before coming to DC to express their solid opinion on the matter?

Meh, it will just be a fiasco when the people decide to disobey the law. Are we to jail or fine millions of citizens to prove a point?

The smartest thing Congress could do if passing the bill is to never return to their home state again.

You're relying on the LA Times to be truthful about the number of people at the healthcare Code Red protest??? I've seen pictures of yesterday's protest and it was definitely more than 300. Unfortunately, Park Services will no longer give crowd estimates.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

The Democratic National Committee said their unofficial count was around 300 people. "There are more people on the blue line during rush hour than there were on Capitol Hill today at the tea party code red rally," said Brad Woodhouse, DNC Communications Director. The DNC says Tuesday's crowds appeared smaller than crowds at recent events in favor of passing health care reform that were put together by Organizing for America, which is a wing of the DNC. "Clearly the momentum is on the side of those who believe that we cannot wait any longer to pass this critical legislation," added Woodhouse. But Levi Russell, spokesman for Tea Party Express, which organized the main rally Tuesday, told CNN that some 2,500 to 3,000 people attended their event, and he says even more activists are in Washington protesting the bill.

So I guess it comes down to who you ask.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by tommy_boy

 

I don't think it shows any such thing. Since the Tea Party doesn't have benefit of the memberships of the SEUI and Acorn, as well as the probably high number of illegals there, of course the numbers would be skewed.

Uhh, no, but they have FreedomWorks and a number of other so-called "grass roots" organizations with their checkbooks out. The reason there wasn't a larger turnout is because there aren't the people for a larger turnout. Even the larger of the Tea Party rallies had their numbers exploded by Fox and other sources. Citing SEIU and Acorn is silliness... Both sides are very well funded.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
So because there were not millions of people kicking and screaming in Washington DC means everyone wants the bill to pass?

mmm, nope. Don't think I said that. Despite the spin, it's pretty clear the split in America is pretty much down the middle, as with most polarizing issues. It's no more genuine to say that most want it than it is to say most don't want it. Fact is most don't know what they want, they just go with their party.

Who's to say the People are not at home watching C-Span to see if they need to arm up before coming to DC to express their solid opinion on the matter?

uhhh, because no one with half a brain is doing that maybe? Because most sane people know that that type of extremist talk is just that..., TALK, and the issue is about healthcare reform and not about secession or communism? Because when the Republican leaders on the right finally move on to the next "let's get Obama" issue, all of the minions on the right will go back inside their homes, sit back in front of their T.V's and then sign up for the very healthcare subsidies they were just manipulated into opposing. Because Your average "Republican" in middle America doesn't have a clue what they just opposed, just like the average Democrat has no idea what just got signed into law.

Meh, it will just be a fiasco when the people decide to disobey the law. Are we to jail or fine millions of citizens to prove a point?

That's called protesting, yes and trust me, there aren't millions that seriously opposed healthcare.

The smartest thing Congress could do if passing the bill is to never return to their home state again.

That's partisan talk. Fact is (and you know this to be true), the struggles will be forgotten after about 1 month, and the mid-term will have nothing to do with healthcare no matter how hard the right tries. Obama's people will live or die by the unemployment rate. Bottom line. If it's improved by November, Dems will retain seats. If it's the same or up, Dems will lose 1 or 2 houses. If anyone thinks otherwise, if anyone doesn't think that from now til November, the only thing that will survive is the positive immediate benefits of this bill, then you're dreaming.

If the Right challenges Dems in the mid-term on Healthcare, they will lose that battle, guaranteed. Americans have a short memory, and none of the negative rhetoric from the past year will stick.

Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by drwizardphd

 

Have you been watching any of the debate in the house today?

I did. The entire day. More of the same. Dems touting how great the bill was and Repubs lying about what was in it. Heard words like "Armageddon," "Baby Killer," you know, typical scare language We could have done away with like 5 hours of sessions and just voted. The outcome would have been exactly the same.

Originally posted by jam321
They aren't listening to the polls concerning this bill. They aren't listening to the mail they get about this issue. They pretty much promised that they will pass this issue. They pretty much bribed a lot of people to pass this issue.

Wait a minute, your logic is flawed. Actually, Obama RAN on reforming healthcare, almost in the exact way that he just did. The majority of Americans ELECTED him knowing exactly what he was going to do. The premise that those same people now don't like what he's doing is preposterous.

As the matter of fact, a great deal of the non-right opposition that he's encountered ISN'T on reform (as many righties will have you believe), it's because he didn't keep his promise on a public option. The right's just spun that critical point a little bit

Yes, many Americans opposed the current bill, but that's because they were FOR the public option.