IRS will be enforcing your purchase of Health Care Insurance!

Originally posted by Terapin
So tell me . . . Why should I pay the medical costs for people who refuse to get health insurance??? I say yes, if people refuse to get insurance, then tax them. I pay for my insurance, and have no desire to pay for freeloaders. Freeloaders who refuse to get insurance are a huge reason why healthcare costs so much. Every time one of those morons gets sick they go to the emergency room, and you and I end up paying for it.

Are you so willing to pay for freeloaders? If so, then please pay for my insurance too.

You should know that you being forced to pay for freeloaders has been put upon you not by the freeloaders, but the democrats, you can thank them for this. They engineered it this way so you would be mad at all the freeloaders and not them.. pretty good trick since you fell for it

reply to post by antideceit


Alright, I am going to post this and I hope everyone reads it!

Fox News is currently running all kinds of interviews today. Watch it!

They are backing the Dems! They are backing this maneuver! Sorry people, if you have an open mind and see beyond the veil.

The Dem/Repub paradigm is repeated in the MSM by the MSNBC/Fox News!

SORRY PEOPLE, the Fox News channel is NOT following the conservative viewpoint. They are behind this move!

Prove me wrong!

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I like this idea. What is the quickest way to get something done? Bring the economy to a standstill via general strike, like Iran in the late 1970s. No functioning economy, no functioning government.

I already attempt to buy local as much as possible, but doing this is like a mere drop of water in the Pacific ocean. But get enough drops of water and you have a flood.

reply to post by Someone336


I am but a leaf on the wind. If my people join me, we are a forest in a hurricane.

Think about it. What caused the destruction of the USSR? It was not the US. Many want to say it was. It was not. It was the people that did not belong to the system.

I had a uncle that went to the USSR many times during the Cold War. He told me times that the only way to purchase anything was to bring products.

The money was worthless. We can take this monster down by just eliminating their control by just removing ourselves from the system.

They CANNOT exist without us. Period. Welcome to the revolution my socialist brother. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We just have to see their maneuvers and not allow them to force us to become enemies.

Knowledge is power!

I don't understand all this talk about freeloaders.

I have no health insurance.

I rarely visit a doctor or hospital.

When I do, I pay for it in monthly installments afterward.

You mean to tell me there are people without insurance, who don't have to pay?

reply to post by endisnighe

Think about it. What caused the destruction of the USSR? It was not the US. Many want to say it was. It was not. It was the people that did not belong to the system.

Same with China. I have a friend who frequently travels there, and to hear him talk of their black market is astounding.

The money was worthless. We can take this monster down by just eliminating their control by just removing ourselves from the system.

They CANNOT exist without us. Period. Welcome to the revolution my socialist brother. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We just have to see their maneuvers and not allow them to force us to become enemies.

I have long entertained thoughts of removing myself from their system. I long to eat food that isn't full of chemicals, to drink water that doesn't contain drugs, to utilize alternatives to their ideas.

However, alone, one cannot achieve these things. Perhaps we should be grateful for Obamacare, because it seems to not only waking people up, but waking them up to the fact that there is a two headed snake that is smothering the life from this country.

I never signed a binding contract to be beholden to the U.S. government. I just want to stand with my community and my fellow human beings.

Hey, maybe it's just about time to start tearing down those walls.

reply to post by Ionized


Oh, you do not know the system do you?

Anyone can go to an emergency room and get any type of healthcare. It is the law.

You did not know this? Sorry, anyone can go to any hospital and not be turned away. Period.

They like to keep that secret. Welcome to the rabbit hole, it goes way deeper than that.

reply to post by Ionized


The Emergency Rooms at hospitals are where you go when it is an emergency and you need care no matter what the situation is (no money, from out of town, no family or friends, your dying, etc..). Usually for people who are unconscious, seriously injured and dying, or in need of immediate attention.

By law, hospitals can not turn you down, they have to care for you, because if you die the hospital can be blamed for it....

The problem is, people take advantage of it.. mainly illegal immigrants do. They will come here undocumented, get into some car accident, get rushed to a hospital, get free care, and when the bill comes around they skip town. Since they are undocumented, well, we can't find them and make them pay.

That is when doctors and hospitals raise their prices to cover their loses. That is when health insurance prices skyrocket because of the doctors and hospital prices... This causes millions of people to not be able to afford health insurance, and it causes millions of more people to go bankrupt because they can't pay such high prices when they are forced to go to the hospital for some unexpected emergency.

So, basically, right now, we are paying for freeloaders. That is causing health care and insurance to be incredibly expensive, and causing problems for EVERYONE.

Healthcare reform is an attempt to fix these age old problems.... anyone against healthcare reform is just scared and misinformed.



[edit on 21-3-2010 by ALLis0NE]

reply to post by Terapin


You will be paying for the freeloaders by paying taxes on your health insurance plan when this bill passes. This plan is wrong and unconstitutional and if you think this will help you then you are mistaken.

Guys guys guys guys guys....and gals. WakeTFU

Its over and has been.

We have come so far from what this country was supposed to be about we don’t even realize it.

We are discussing the legality of a product or service that 100 years ago was an option very few even looked at or could afford.

They created the system (they being the big corps ie...the ones who pay our leaders)
They created an option to have your expenses covered if you needed medical care. Anyone could buy INS, but many did not and elected to pay out of pocket or better yet use preventative measures such as a healthy diet.

They allowed it to become too expensive for the average Joe while lining their pockets (again the ones who pay our leaders) by means of frivolous law suits and coverage for those who could not pay.

So employers picked up the bill to attract good employees, still an option that many elected to forgo. Meanwhile the cost goes up 30% a year and the big wigs get fatter and fatter.

They systematically removed, and still are, natural cures and preventative treatment through healthy diets in order to protect us idiots that can’t take care of ourselves.

They do not allow many treatments that are fully effective for numerous diseases and scare the daylight out of every one with commercial after commercial regarding disease.

Now we are giving up our freedom so that we can all be taken care of under the system that they created for greed. Notwithstanding the fact that their drug companies are the number 1 killer in the US.


THE NUMBER ONE KILLER is pharmaceutical drugs!!!! Wake TFU

So now we are debating whether it is the end of the US because we will be forced to buy what was once an optional commodity that few partook of.

It was over a long time ago. We are a greedy dumbed down society as a whole. I don’t think most of you are or you would not have read this far. But go look around next time your at the store.

Won’t be long and they will have to make certain everyone is eating their genetically modified food and exercising and sleeping well and living healthy lifestyles so to keep it affordable so they can cover all these lazy donkey rear ends.

Do you not get it?

They will control our actions and tell us it is for our best interest and any of you who like to do unhealthy activities will be forbidden to do so unless you pay the government

Like to smoke? Like to fight MMA, like to ride motorcycles, drink beer, have wild sex on the roof of your home, eat potato chips or candy bars, energy drinks, and drink spring water... Damn anything that can be deemed unhealthy can be controlled.

I hate you stupid people that think this will help all those poor poor people.

I hate you a whole damn lot. I was one of those poor poor people and you know what, we went with out, I paid for the birth of my children and it hurt. I paid for my sons dental work and it hurt.

But you know what we did not do, we did not vacation, we did not eat out all the time, we went without. You arrogant fools that think you deserve something for nothing are going to be the final demsise of what could have been a free country.

Its been over for a long time.

reply to post by endisnighe

Anyone can go to an emergency room and get any type of healthcare. It is the law.

Well maybe we should get rid of that law so we can bring costs down. People who aren't insured wait far to long to get check ups with a regular doctor and end up going the ER when it's far too late...and are unable to pay...increasing costs FOR ALL OF US.

So would you rather these people pay into the system...or just cut them out completely and let them die in the streets?

[edit on 21-3-2010 by David9176]

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by endisnighe

 

Go to 27 seconds

Anything posted from Fox is automatically suspect...

reply to post by David9176


Sorry to inform you, I am one that has not been part of the system for a LONG time.

If I die, who will mourn for me?

If you die, who will mourn for you?

Life ends, by trying to make me the bad guy for not FEELING the pain, only empowers the totalitarians.

Sorry, will not fall for it. I am what I am, and that is ALL I will be.

reply to post by endisnighe


Writtern like a true Republican....

reply to post by endisnighe


The solution:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check it out I think he is on to something!

reply to post by endisnighe


That's a nice reply...but will you answer the question?

So would you rather these people pay into the system...or just cut them out completely and let them die in the streets?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The IRS will not be enforcing your purchase of Health Care...please stop the mis-information.

In fact...your own state will be enforcing your purchase of Health Care. The IRS will only get involved if your state reports you don't have Health Care Insurance and are subject to the TAX...and then the IRS will enforce the TAX...like they do with all taxes.

Your attempts at mis-leading people is sad...why not just stick with the facts?

People are subject to laws and liable for taxes, no one is subject to a tax. There is a subject of a tax and based upon that subject we have a better understanding of who is actually liable for the tax. That is information, your assertion that if a state reports you don't have health care insurance and are subject to a tax is misinformation. NO ONE is subject to a tax, only those actually liable for a tax owe a tax.

reply to post by eNaR


Sorry, the only Republican I have ever voted for was Ron Paul!

reply to post by hawkiye


The SOLUTION!

Thank you. Some can see the problems and ACTUALLY see possible solutions. I have copied that vid and have started to spread it.

Thanks for the comment.

reply to post by David9176


Let's say I have a rare bone cancer. There is a way to cure me. It is a proven FACT that they can create a retrovirus to cure my cancer. It only costs 10-100 million dollars. Do we do it?

You want to go into hypotheticals LIKE the politicians, ANSWER mine first!

Who's medical care do we eliminate first to take care of my condition? Which child do we kill to provide me, A SCIENTIST SAY, WHICH CHILD?

Not such a moral situation is it? Do you think this # should be decided by the government, a corporation, or maybe GOD?

Do not try to make me feel guilty. I have discussed this 30 years ago. I felt at that time and still think at this time is the ability to PAY.

What other alternative do you suggest? That could be moral in the eyes of the world?

Sorry, still looking for some answers.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Holy crappola JPZ, glad to see you back.

Alright, I have been doing a LOT of law research lately.

I am declaring sovereignty. I am done with this government that has destroyed my freedom in pursuits of their control. Even if I get thrown in prison, I will still declare my freedom, maybe it could inspire others. I have no qualms about my attitude. Life is but a test of our souls.

Glad to see you back.

Originally posted by parrothead0333
You will be paying for the freeloaders by paying taxes on your health insurance plan when this bill passes. This plan is wrong and unconstitutional and if you think this will help you then you are mistaken.

Right now, anyone who uses a doctor or hospital and pays their bill is paying for freeloaders too.

If the healthcare bill passes, hopefully EVERYONE will be paying for freeloaders, and not just the people who use doctors or hospitals (the elderly and the sick).

Id rather EVERYONE pitch in and pay for freeloaders instead of the elderly and the sick and injured only. That will lower healthcare costs for EVERYONE.