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IRS will be enforcing your purchase of Health Care Insurance!

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posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:42 AM
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

So what does this video have to do with what I have stated? At the point you posted he is talking about how the states are mandated to set up exchanges.

So, who enforces this again? Oh yeah, the IRS.

You know, the ones that are going to get a 17k infusion of employees to ENFORCE this bill.

See how easy that was.

Now, should I search for the section where they will have access to your bank accounts JUST IN CASE you do not follow the law.

Yeah, this thing is going to be great for us.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:42 AM
Great post WTFover. Please let me break some of this down for those whom don't understand the bulletpoints.

Sec. 9001. Excise tax on high cost employer-sponsored health coverage. --They are going to tax employers who pay for really good healthcare plans for thier employees. This will force cuts of benefits, dropping of benefits all together, or other cost-cutting measures, up to and including cutting jobs.

Sec. 9002. Inclusion of cost of employer-sponsored health coverage on W–2. --The information of how much money is being paid by your company for your healthcare bill so they can apply above tax and possibly monitor whther or not you have a healthcare plan.

Sec. 9003. Distributions for medicine qualified only if for prescribed drug or insulin. --This one will put a kabash on "experimental" drugs or drugs that are not heavily regulated by the FDA. Will generally increase the lab to shelf time of new treatments exponentially.

Sec. 9004. Increase in additional tax on distributions from HSAs and Archer MSAs not used for qualified medical expenses.-- If the government doens't approve it it gets a penalty tax.

Sec. 9005. Limitation on health flexible spending arrangements under cafeteria plans.--The government will now tell you where your benefit dollars can go under a HC cafeteria plan.

Sec. 9006. Expansion of information reporting requirements.--self explanatory.
Sec. 9007. Additional requirements for charitable hospitals. -- They want to know whom uses thier services in leiu of purchasing mandated health care or being on the gov't teet.

Sec. 9008. Imposition of annual fee on branded prescription pharmaceutical manufacturers and importers.--Price of prescription meds will go up as the "fee" will be passed on to the consumer ultimatley.

Sec. 9009. Imposition of annual fee on medical device manufacturers and importers. -- SAme thing here

Sec. 9010. Imposition of annual fee on health insurance providers.-- And again.

Sec. 9011. Study and report of effect on veterans health care.--Yup vets healthcare is getting worse. Let's cut it some more because illegals are ffar more important than our vets.

Sec. 9012. Elimination of deduction for expenses allocable to Medicare Part D subsidy.--Senior's will no longer be able to deduct expenses under Medicare part D. More money to be payed from the seniors.

Sec. 9013. Modification of itemized deduction for medical expenses.--Curtailing what you can itemize on your taxes for your health expenses.

Sec. 9014. Limitation on excessive remuneration paid by certain health insurance providers.-- Cutting compensation or pay paid to providers from Insurance companies. Could possibly lead to vacating by health care proffessionals.

Sec. 9015. Additional hospital insurance tax on high-income taxpayers.--People who make more money will be charged more money to go to the hosipital. (aka Social Justice at it's finest)

Single payer here we come!! ( facepalm)

[edit on 21-3-2010 by djvexd]

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:48 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

You asked for a source that shows the state will be enforcing the mandate...and I supplied one. I even made it from Fox News so you didn't cry foul.

Are you still denying the states will facilitate the mandate???

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:56 AM
reply to post by endisnighe

I figured the Fox news brigade would be out in full force today, and I wasn't dissapointed. Looking for any blog and scrap of junk on the net to enforce their cause, to celebrate and enforce eliteism, and try to scare us with big scarey words like socialism and communism.

And at the last minute, they try a new tactic, the IRS. The others don't work, so now we are sending out armies of IRS agents to get you and your healthcare.

Funny how this is suddenly coming up during tax season. How ironic.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Terapin
Freeloaders who refuse to get insurance are a huge reason why healthcare costs so much.

Ah come on now, you and I and everyone else should know better than that, ha. Listen, here's the problem with health care: each of us are expected to incur medical expenses at some point in our lives that very few of us could ever hope or expect to pay for ourselves, personally. So, if THAT is the case, how is insurance going to fix THAT .. when all the participants will never hope to earn enough to contribute to cover everyones costs? This isn't like car insurance where only some of us might get into a car accident .. this is like thinking car insurance will work if and when EVERYONE gets into a major car accident. Insurance doesn't work when EVERYONE files a claim. Same with home insurance, that wouldn't work either if everyones home burned down, ha. Health insurance can't work when we all are expecting to file a claim one day that none of us could personally pay for, ha. Consider too everyones high expectations of health care. "Keep me alive until I'm 100, I don't care what it costs, I have insurance!" Ha, yeah, right. I swear, I've done the math, collective health insurance will never work, it will always eventually collapse.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:03 PM
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Outkast, will a person who has either a personally funded, employer funded or government funded health insurance plan be required to pay this misleadingly named tax? The answer is no. So, in fact it is a fine. Failing to pay the tax/fine results in the IRS using its power to collect the tax/fine, up to and including imprisonment for tax evasion.

This whole tax disguise was a lame attempt to appease those on the left who would have blown a gasket at the idea of making it a direct criminal offense, for someone to avoid buying insurance.

So, yes, without a doubt, the IRS will be "enforcing" the health insurance mandate. Lipstick on a pig.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:03 PM
Thes IRS isn't going to force me to do squat! I'm closing my bank account, dealing only in cash and since I'm unemployed, I have no income. I am in the process of working for myself so there will no "Wages" to garnish and no way to verify income to begin with. I suspect that there will be tens or hundreds of thousands more joining me. Soon, you are going to see people simply avoiding the entire system as a whole. I have already arranged barter agreements with a few area farmers - I trade my labor in exchange for a share of the yield. I'm opting out of this BS!

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:06 PM
reply to post by kozmo

That sounds great image says it all........

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:08 PM
reply to post by nixie_nox

Sorry, Fox News?

Sorry, where did you see that in my thread?

You must have me confused with someone that gives a crap about the MSNBC/Fox or the Dem/Repub Paradigm.

Could care less about your side or your party.

When someone cannot win the debate, attack the source, even if it is not even the source!

Keep it up folks, make yourself look bad on frivolous arguments and obfuscations.

Health Care Bill=Tax and Control

Just for your info

38 states push back on the unConstitutionality of THIS TRAVESTY.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:42 PM
reply to post by endisnighe

No you just go around picking up whatever blog or baseless article you find to prove your point, who probably get their talking points from main stream media. Which is even worse, getting an opinion of an opinion.

And considering how much your on ats CAMPAIGNING, I somehow doubt you look at both point of views. Just come on here screaming that this is against the Constitution. Which means you only want to see what you want to see, which is just as bad as watch the MSM.

And to accuse others of diflecting, when all I see is you ranting about a subject you rarely delve deeply into, it just ironically funny.

Anyone who works as hard as you do on on topic, has an agenda, no matter how many times you try to deny it.

[edit on 21-3-2010 by nixie_nox]

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:48 PM

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Terapin

Sorry, if I get injured, I can go to a charitable hospital. They have not destroyed every community yet. And if there was no charitable hospital, so what, I could pay for it or I could go without.

I thought you should know that those charitable hospitals are usually FQHC; Federally Qualified Health Centers. As such they are subsidized with our tax dollars as well as grants. So all those uninsured patients, including all undocumented patients treated there are receiving care on our tax dollars. This health care issue has so many layers industry outsiders are not privy to.

You might have the means to pay for your simple care, but many don't and the physicians and hospitals can not turn you away. They will treat to stabilize, and attempt to collect later. The dirt poor usually don't pay, and the costs are plowed into the communities premiums.

Also, for those that "stitch" themselves up and don't need medical insurance. That is a dead argument the day they have heart troubles and can't be their own cardiologist or brain surgeon. Etc.

All the big talkers who say they won't pay, will pay when it passes.
Just like they pay their government mandated automobile insurance.

[edit on 21-3-2010 by Absum!]

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:50 PM
reply to post by nixie_nox

I do have an agenda, it is called freedom.

And what is your agenda? Exactly what is it, most will never come out and say it. Do you want the federal government to control all business? Hmmmm?

What is it you want? Sorry, if you do not believe what I post or my position, prove I am wrong.

Quit crying that I have an agenda and disprove what I am saying. Or go somewhere else and pout.

Either address the OP and prove my points wrong, or leave. No one is forcing you to listen to me. You know what that is called don't you? Freedom.
It is hilarious how totalitarians want nothing to do with other viewpoints.

I wonder why that is?

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:55 PM
reply to post by Absum!

Sorry, been driving for years without insurance. Been driving years without a license. Been working for years without working for years.

And if you think that there are no people working under the radar now, you must really be blind.

You have 20-30 million illegals in this country under the radar, and you are going to tell people that we will pay.

Go blow smoke elsewhere.

You do know the only reason the USSR lasted as long as it did is because of black markets?

Maybe open the eyes a little bit. You have 1.5% of the country in prisons.

More than half of them were involved in black markets.

You do know what black market means?

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 01:46 PM

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Absum!

Sorry, been driving for years without insurance. Been driving years without a license. Been working for years without working for years.

Some might regard that as an example of the problem. Are your choices made because you lack affluence within your life and have nothing to lose, or do you believe you are immune to misfortune? I find it quite reveling that you lack simple safeguards to protect yourself and the community from harm.

And if you think that there are no people working under the radar now, you must really be blind. You have 20-30 million illegals in this country under the radar, and you are going to tell people that we will pay.

We are paying for those individuals care either way. They are receiving care already, so what are you afraid of? Also from other threads I know we both have aligned views on the failed US boarder policy.

Go blow smoke elsewhere.

This seemed a bit hostile and out of place friend. I was only attempting to bring some inside information to your discussion, as I have some executive level knowledge from the health care and nonprofit medical industry.

You do know the only reason the USSR lasted as long as it did is because of black markets? Maybe open the eyes a little bit. You have 1.5% of the country in prisons. More than half of them were involved in black markets.
You do know what black market means?

I might be slow this morning, but are you suggesting that the majority of lazy Americans will not comply, and suffer the inconvenience & hard work to obtain goods and services through a Black Market?

I could accept that some that are living that life style already might, but the white and blue collar folks won't be bothered.
We tend to shop by convenience, and prefer licensed and insured professionals.
Just my opinion, no offense intended.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Absum!
The dirt poor usually don't pay, and the costs are plowed into the communities premiums.

And, with the passage of this kind of "reform", you can add a few more layers of money hungry government bureaucracies, to the list of those who will be needing more of your money.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 02:06 PM
reply to post by Absum!

Sorry for the abruptness, this political theatre over the last 2 years has destroyed my apathy for government corruption and control.

I at one time was a full fledge member of the public at large. Until I saw the absolute futility of being part of it.

A long time ago I did what I had to, to keep them off my back. Paid my taxes, paid my insurances paid paid paid.

It amazed me how much money I paid into this monstrosity. I will never see my SS, Medicare, Medicaid. Never.

People like me that have paid into this system and have received NOTHING in return are being asked again to pony up more of my labor.

Not going to happen. I have estimated my contribution to just the feds to be approximately 250k.

Wow quarter million and what do I get for it? Absolutely NOTHING.

As for me possibly hurting someone, that is a red herring. As for the current state I live in, I am not required to have auto insurance. Still one of the few states that ACTUALLY follows are own Constitution. No, this most recent step to force me to pay for others AGAIN, is the last straw.

I actually did some cash work for a LEO and a Lawyer recently. Kind of funny how that is. Cash work and business is exploding everywhere. It is not a criminal only activity anymore.

Unless they somehow are able to eliminate cash, this will only grow.

I will no longer feed the beast. It is my duty to my principles and my Constitution.

Funny how the 16th Amendment has been TWICE stated by the Supreme Court to NOT give the Federal Government any new taxing authority prior to it, yet it is used to steal from me my labor. Nope. Done feeding the beast.

What could they do to me? Throw me in jail? I would be a slave if I allowed them to continue to steal from me.

No taxation without representation.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Romans 10:9

So how about the people that DON'T go to the F'ing doctor....EVER?
The ones that ride out their illnesses, that stitch themselves up, that don't use the ER?
There's ALOT of people that don't have insurance cause they DON'T NEED OR WANT IT!!!!

exactly how I feel about it. I don't want to be forced to get health insurance when I will never be using it. Also If I was to get health insurance I would rather it go to a private corporation, than the government who can't even account for their spending or where all the money goes. I for one am pissed about the healthcare bill and I do not want the government having more hands in my daily living. There is a better solution, and thats less government, and more personal accountabilty.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 02:28 PM
reply to post by graaly

It is amazing how people that do not believe in the western medicine are going to be forced to pay for something they will never use.

What I am speaking of is the alternate medical fields and people like you or me, that do not want the insurance for medical treatments and for the control of our lives.

Thanks for the comment.

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 02:44 PM
If I am understanding the video and other material right..this issue seems to be headed down the same path as "medical marijuana"...except it is on a much larger scale. The feds say "something" and some states say "we will decide". I love a good fight!!!

So how about all those people who make 25grand or less a year. You know those guys..right?? The ring up your coffee or soda or fast food or clothing or wash your car or serve your table or cook your food or wash your plates or ring up your groceries or any of those other "convenience" things you all like to do. These people will be fined a few hundred dollars a year because they can't afford HC.

Things are just really weird now....

posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 02:57 PM
reply to post by Terapin

I see you are still under the illusion that taxes actually pay for government services. Ever hear of the Grace commission report? Look it up. None of your taxes pays for a single service. The pay interest on the national debt (and still doesn't cover it). In other words it pays the Private corporation Called the Federal Reserve to continue to screw us. You are not paying for anyone else's health care period. You are being robbed of the fruits of your labor by a private foreign banking cartel called the Federal Reserve under color of law.

It you think Health care is expensive now wait till it is supposedly free...

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