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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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reply to post by ALLis0NE
 


Glad to see your position that we should all hang ourselves.

Boy, when people do not agree with people of your mentality, the venom just always comes out.

Doesn't it?

Can't stand that there are people that do not have to suck on the teat of government to survive. That just pisses you off, doesn't it?

I suppose you are going to be cheering for the Cap and Tax coming up. That should really help the country also too huh?




posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by harvib
This commonly quoted piece of rhetoric makes no sense to me. Maybe you can help me to understand.


Let me ask you... do you know why health care is so expensive right now?
If so, explain.


Originally posted by harvib
According to the logic of this rhetoric the health care bill's that you believe you are "stuck" with are those of illegal immigrants and those of people who refuse to pay upon collection attempts. Neither of which are very likely to pay taxes.


Well now, with the health reform, hopefully all those people who used to abuse the system (who you think are not likely to pay taxes) are now going to get some help from ALL Americans instead of only Americans who are sick and injured and have to pay high health care costs which make up for the loses from the abusers.


Originally posted by harvib
All this legislation does is force people to pay huge profits to a highly profitable corporate industry. This is not health care reform.


No thats not all it does. Only in your small misinformed world that's what it does. We are paying for a new service, yes... but hopefully this service will help millions of people, and in the long run, lower health care costs. And maybe if they do it right, it will reduce part of the American debt caused by health care.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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I didn't mean it like that... I mean't, you are better of dead if you can't afford health care after this reform kicks in. It wasn't a insult to you or anybody....

You would have to be homeless, starving, and half dead, if you can't afford health care after this reform. And in my opinion (if i was in that position), I would be better off dead. I wouldn't want to live like that. Knowing any moment in time I could have some major medical accident and go thousands of dollars in dept, forever putting me in a never ending hell. That is like enslaving YOUR SELF!

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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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Not having health insurance is just plain STUPID.

If you want to look at life like a game... strategy wise, not having health insurance is like insuring your loss at some point in the future.

Complaining about health care reform, is even more stupid. Unfathomably stupid.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Well see, you do not get the attitude of people like me. I do not want insurance. I can afford it. I do not want Socials Security, Medicare blah blah blah.

Do you understand that there are people like me?

We do not want part of your society of your ideas. We do not want to be part of your collective.

I know that there are people like you, do you understand that there are people like me.

See, this is the DAMN problem. The US was created for people like ME, NOT YOU.

If you want all this damn CRAP, go somewhere it is used. And leave me the frell alone.

Got it? Good.

That is why the black markets are increasing. We do not want to be part of your corrupt system anymore!



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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Let me ask you... do you know why health care is so expensive right now? If so, explain.


Because American's are fat, malnourished, underexercised, over indulged, over stressed, grossly addicted, highly depressed, and too ignorant to realize a pill isn't going to solve any of their diseases but will continue to try.

Therefore you have endless demand. What did day one of economics tell you about increased demand?




Well now, with the health reform, hopefully all those people who used to abuse the system (who you think are not likely to pay taxes) are now going to get some help from ALL Americans instead of only Americans who are sick and injured and have to pay high health care costs which make up for the loses from the abusers.


So you think the insurance companies are going to voluntarily cap their profit margin? When has this ever happened. Again what does increased demand lead to. Certainly not lower prices.




No thats not all it does. Only in your small misinformed world that's what it does. We are paying for a new service, yes... but hopefully this service will help millions of people, and in the long run, lower health care costs. And maybe if they do it right, it will reduce part of the American debt caused by health care.


Again this is not health care reform. What you are a proponent of is an insurance company being paid huge profits (by force) in order to redistribute funds. Shouldn't those of you who are looking to reduce the cost of health care be interested in eliminating excess expenses? Why not demand that this money be held in a type of trust fund to be distributed from on a non profit basis?

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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
I do not want insurance. I can afford it.


So, you don't want insurance because you can afford a $10,000.00 A DAY health care bill when you go on life support after suffering a stroke?



Originally posted by endisnighe
Do you understand that there are people like me?


Yes I do... many people do... we all found out in 2010, that people like you are the reason this country has been taking a crap for the past 26 years.

You are old school, and you are inefficient.. your way doesn't work. It's broken.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by harvib
Because American's are fat, malnourished, overexercised, over indulged, over stressed, grossly addicted, highly depressed, and too ignorant to realize a pill isn't going to solve any of their diseases but will continue to try.

Therefore you have endless demand. What did day one of economics tell you about increased demand?


So you think health care is so expensive because of high demand...


You need to read more... a lot more. You need to wake up.

Ever heard of insurance fraud?


Originally posted by harvib
So you think the insurance companies are going to voluntarily cap their profit margin? When has this ever happened. Again what does increased demand lead to. Certainly not lower prices.


No. They will be forced to lower their prices because healthcare will be cheaper elsewhere.



Originally posted by harvib
Again this is not health care reform. What you are a proponent of is an insurance company being paid huge profits (by force) in order to redistribute funds. Shouldn't those of you who are looking to reduce the cost of health care be interested in eliminating excess expenses? Why not demand that this money be held in a type of trust fund to be distributed from on a non profit basis?


You have no clue do you.... health care reform is going to start eliminating excess expenses. Now everyone has to pay, and not just the few.

It's like paying for road construction! You don't complain when they spend billions of dollars on roads, but when they try to help people who don't have insurance you do?


What the heck is wrong with people these days?



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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Let me see, the government has GROWN over the last 40 years. Do you see any correlation? How bout that Federal Reserve System that has taxed you out of your future? How is that working for you?


You actually think, this bill has anything to do with helping you?

It is a tax to keep the status quo system in effect. You know the fascist system.

I find it hilarious that the SUPPOSED intellectuals, fall for fascist maneuvers labeled socialist.

I find you funny.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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So, are you claiming that this entire health care reform is nothing but a big scam, and people who previously were not able to get health care still are not going to be able to get health care?

Yes or no?




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[edit on 22-3-2010 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 04:59 PM
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Nice try to derail and to use a fallacy to prove a point.

Sorry, discussion over.

Please address the OP and get out of the Dem/Repub paradigm.

Government is our friend, huh?



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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Mr. Jones have some words on it !!




Health Care Mandate to Be Enforced by IRS Bounty Hunters




Jim Kouri
Canada Free Press
March 22, 2010 The very nature of the program provides incentives for collectors to push the limits of legality to extract a little more revenue from their targets.




Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.—C. S. Lewis (1898 1963)

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will see its largest expansion since withholding taxes were first enacted during WWII to enforce the glut of new tax mandates and penalties included in the Democrats latest health care plan, according to Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX)



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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I designed that question just so you would back down exactly like you did.

You can't even answer a simple question because it conflicts with your conspiracy induced psychosis.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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So you think health care is so expensive because of high demand

You need to read more... a lot more. You need to wake up.

Ever heard of insurance fraud?


Enlighten me then. Is it insurance fraud that is the cause of high health care? Where is your data? What is your source?

We have a society that leads an extremely unhealthy life style and then in turn ask for a pill to "treat" them. Every year the average number of pharmaceuticals taken by Americans increases yet heart disease, cancer, depression, obesity, and addiction remain relatively unchanged or increase.

Yes, it is a fundamental economic principle that increased demand results in increased prices.




No. They will be forced to lower their prices because healthcare will be cheaper elsewhere.


Again I will ask you the same question. Do you think insurance companies will voluntarily cap their profit margins? If not, then cheaper health care will result in greater profit margins.




You have no clue do you.... health care reform is going to start eliminating excess expenses. Now everyone has to pay, and not just the few.


What excess expenses are going to be eliminated? And When will this occur? The fact that everyone has to pay only benefits the insurance companies. How does this benefit you?




but when they try to help people who don't have insurance you do?


People don't have health insurance because they can't afford it. People are losing their homes, people are not able to afford healthy food. Yet some how you think that forcing another expense on these people is going to make them healthier. If a person loses their home or the ability to eat healthy because they have to pay for health insurance you think this will improve their health?

If a person get's ill because they are without shelter or malnourished will this "insurance" provide for either of those causes of illness?




So, are you claiming that this entire health care reform is nothing but a big scam, and people who previously were not able to get health care still are not going to be able to get health care?


I know this question wasn't addressed to me however I am curious as to why you believe those who didn't have health care before are going to have it now? What is in this bill that guarantees anyone health care?

And as far as health insurance goes for those that will now have it through their employers, what is going to protect these individuals from layoffs and wage reductions? What makes you believe that employers can afford this?

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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
reply to post by endisnighe
 


I designed that question just so you would back down exactly like you did.

You can't even answer a simple question because it conflicts with your conspiracy induced psychosis.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by ALLis0NE]


Your question was a simple yes or no question and it was a poorly designed question, and as far as fallacy goes it was not only a straw man argument you were making it was an argument from adverse consequences, special pleading, and excluded middle.

There is no one who was ever denied health care simply because they lacked an insurance policy! Health care is not defined by the insurance policy one holds. Health care is quite simply the maintenance of ones body for optimal longevity and such maintenance begins with nutrition, exercise and a sound mental attitude. Any need for doctors can be handled through cash or check without the use of insurance and if the price is so cost prohibitive that most people can't afford to pay for medical services on their own, then the idea of an insurance policy wont fix that problem.

The purpose of insurance, any insurance, is to measure risk and to spread the cost of that risk evenly amongst those being insured, but if the risk is measured to be so great that even spread out among a large group the cost is still prohibitive then clearly insurance is not the answer. Reforming insurance schemes is not reforming health care.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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....the question was simple... Are people who were denied health insurance going to now be able to get health insurance after the reform?

It's a simple question that he failed to answer because saying YES will conflict with his psychosis.

People are denied health insurance all the time... now, after the reform, hopefully those people have a place to go now.

Am I the only one who understands this simple concept?



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
reply to post by endisnighe
 


So, are you claiming that this entire health care reform is nothing but a big scam, and people who previously were not able to get health care still are not going to be able to get health care?

Yes or no?




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[edit on 22-3-2010 by ALLis0NE]



The above is the exact quote of the question you asked and it is entirely different than the one you just posted. Continually equating health insurance with health care has been part of the problem in this health care reform debate and is why so many are angry today because this legislation was passed. The problem with health care in the United States of America is that it has become too cost prohibitive and creating insurance schemes is no better than sticking a bandage on heart attack victim. It is the high cost of health care that has to be handled and insurance schemes won't handle it. Your question, no matter how it is worded, offers no answer and not even a solution, but instead relies upon feel good platitudes and wishful thinking.


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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Well said. i have also been amazed at how people are talking about Health Care as if it is equivalent to Health Insurance.

I would not need Health Insurance when I am sick and injured. I would need Health Care.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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Yes, friend, I think that is what upsets me more than anything, about the "health care reform" sham. The misleading title. The bills do little about health care.

It only received any amount of support, because Obama presented it as an attack on the evil insurance and pharmaceutical companies. More class warfare, from the left. It is easy to get people angered toward those who have more than them. The Pied Piper has done it again.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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wake up people. the irs has NO enforcement authority. it has NO police power. it is NOT a government agency. it is NOT part of the treasury dept. it was NEVER created by congress as required by law.

it IS a collection agency for the (privately owned) federal reserve yes, it is the largest collection agency in the world but it is bound by the same laws any other collection agency is bound by, including the constitution.

any seizure of property must be done by court order or it is illegal. constitutional rights, you might have heard of them.

knowingly violating someones constitutional rights is a federal crime punishable by imprisonment or fines or both.

if you don't assert your rights, no one will do it for you.






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