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Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by bwinwright
S&F for O.P., great thread, I like hearing the other side, the truth that is, having to go through Jesus just doesn't make sense, what did everyone do before he existed?
This is the exact wording from the King James Version of the Holy Bible, the most widely accepted version of the Holy Bible.
Unfortunately, for all mankind, this verse is not only a lie,
but has served to force Christianity upon people in the most destructive fashion imaginable.
This false teaching, initially attributed to Jesus by the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325 A.D., has been instrumental in the murdering of millions of innocent people over the past 1700 years.
This same lie about the Pope being the most divine of all men and the Catholic Church being the ONLY path to God and Heaven is still being sold by the Catholic Church today. They continue to threaten eternal damnation in Hell for anyone who rejects this horrendous lie.
and strengthen his ability to control people at the same time, he needed a rule book, A Bible, to eliminate any confusion and make sure people were doing what he wanted them to do. Therefore, in 325 A.D. Constantine commissioned the writing of the first bible and Constantine also served as the Editor of the first Christian Bible.
Much of the suppressed information pertained to the teachings of Jesus and others regarding the divine nature of all things, the all pervading nature of God, the fact that everything consists of this God. They taught about the Holy Trinity actually referring to the Omnipresence of God, the Omnipotence of God, and the Omniscience of God.
There was far more discussion about the divine feminine which Constantine’s Bible almost totally suppressed.
No, ladies and gentlemen, the Great Lie is John 3:16.
Jesus and his more spiritually minded friends who believed in the ONENESS of GOD and the divinity of ALL people, including ALL men and women, would have never have told the lie credited to him in John 3:16.
Of course, the Catholic Church has evolved into the most evil and destructive institution in world history. For well documented proof of this, simply refer to Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps.
No, ladies and gentlemen, the Great Lie is John 3:16. Your opinion. Without much support or facts to back it up, I might add.
It was the RC church that changed the original Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. That is just for starters.
God doesn't work on any "timeframe" like we do.
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by Gwynniver
Bottom line - stop blaming God for mankind's evil choices.
I think that is quite impossible, because god created mankind. He is supposedly all-knowing, so he knew from scratch what we would be like. Yet he created us so he is definitely responsible for the misery of this world. He knew beforehand who would do what, so 1.) he created evil and 2.)there is no such thing as free will, because it was determined from day one what would happen. If god wouldn know that all, how can he be all-knowing
If you actually really believe in this god and what he says is true, then face up to the fact that he is indeed responsible.
God created mankind perfect - it was satan who approached Adam and Eve in the Garden and tempted them - which led to sin. From that point on, mankind was born into sin - we are, by and at birth, sinners separated from God. Enter Jesus Christ, who was sent as our only way out to avoid eternal damnation. IF we accept Him as our Lord and Savior, we escape eternal hell.
Again, it depends on us to make the right choice.
Originally posted by dusty1
reply to post by K J Gunderson
You look but you do not "see". Er, wait, I don't think you are even looking.
Revelation Chapter 12 v 9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he saw cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him."
The Bible is clear on sin, but you don't care.
At times archeologists have found supporting evidence to corroborate places in the Bible.
You miss the whole point. Christians have JESUS CHRIST as their Lord and Savior. The Old Law was replaced by the New, in the form of Jesus
It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17
Never can you come across a more morally bankrupt group of people than xtians.
an xtian never has to grow up and be accountable for his actions.
The same rule applies to any alleged truth in john, considering the guy couldn't read or write it is only a fair assumption that john is all made up.
Or did you just wake up one morning and make it up to explain away some awkward question that would require the use of the faculty of reason?
On one hand the believers argue that the entire universe is like "a well-made precision clock" of intricate design. Ditto for you and me. Then they turn around and claim that the designer is not to blame when the machine malfunctions! It's the machine's fault!
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by K J Gunderson
It gives examples, quotes from the Scripture, later on in other books of the Bible, that describe the dragon/serpent/satan -
In Genesis, no, it doesn't come out and say the serpent was satan - but if you read the rest of the Bible, you'll see in various places, as the resource gave, in the Bible where it tells the names that satan is known by - and one of those names is the "serpent".
It is staggering to think that xtians ceremonially practice not only the consumption of blood but indeed the very blood of the god that outlawed the practice to begin with
Originally posted by dakota1s2
I don't understand how you can make such a statement that John 3:16 is a big lie? How could you possibly know? It seems to me that you have a problem with Constantine or the Catholic Church.
The Council of Trent is where Catholic church leaders got together and put together some of the writings of Hebrews and Greeks and decided which writings would be put together in a group of books called the Bible.
There are thousands of manuscripts that confirm historical significance of those included and many not included in the Bible we have today. Not everyone agrees with the omission of or addition of the groups of books and writings called the today's bible.
Finally, you can chose to believe or disbelieve what John 3:16 says. What you or I believe doesn't make it true or false.
Just because Satan was referred to as a serpent in Revelations does not mean that the serpent in Genesis was Satan. It does not say that ANYWHERE.