Don't cut down the apple tree simply because of a few bad apples. Don't blame Christianity as a whole because there were a few leaders who misconstrued it into a piece of holding power for the people - plenty of religions have done that before. Pick up the bible for yourself and see what God says to you and keep an open heart rather than deciding what you believe based on facts of how OTHER people interpreted it.

i agree with one thing here :
the religion of one god
one is god

one is all, all is one, one is god

we are all extensions of prime creator on prime creator's journey

the bible contradicts itself on so many levels, look at it as a recorded biased history of a wanna-be people, it wasn't written for all, just for the "chosen ones"

i don't know what to make of it, but doesn't god love all? why would *he chose a people, it makes no sense what so ever?

and why god would be a "HE" in the first place

i believe that there are 2 universal laws, don't kill and don't do unto others as you don't want others do unto you, the rest is BS, just means to control the populations, terror, indocrination "if you don't do as i say you'll burn in hell!" BS!!!

i don't believe in such a god, anybody who studied the bible, not just read here and there woud know what i mean, read all of it, not just the "good" parts. it will scare the S**t out of you


i want to me myself clear, i'm not atheist, i was born and raised chistian orthodox, i believe if jesus did walk on earth he did not want to be the hero of a best seller that helped kill millions of "nonbelievers"

and yes, jesus was a son of god, like we all are, we are all sons and daughters of god, extensions, parts of god, extensions of the prime creator.... but we have been deceived

actually my belief is that we as people were created twice, read genesis 1st and then genesis 2nd and third.....

we've been destroyed by the annunaki, or whatever (serpent, reptilians) and made the 2nd time first as male, then a cloned female

when i genesis 1st god made :

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.

7 Genesis 2
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat. "


we were supposed to be vegetarian, not eat other flesh

"and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew
: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
6
8 Genesis 2
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life ; and man became a living soul.
And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden ; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


the first time we were made masters over everything!!!!

the second time we were made slaves to work the garden in EDEN

notice genesis 1st we were on planet earth, not some garden

second creation is whoever did it to us, created us from the destroyed humans, the "dust" the DNA of the once living human created by the prime creator, and made us as SLAVES

but, we still have the original true form hidden in our DNA we just have to unlock it

Originally posted by SlapBassist531
Don't cut down the apple tree simply because of a few bad apples. Don't blame Christianity as a whole because there were a few leaders who misconstrued it into a piece of holding power for the people - plenty of religions have done that before. Pick up the bible for yourself and see what God says to you and keep an open heart rather than deciding what you believe based on facts of how OTHER people interpreted it.

Exactly -

Very well put !

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

With all due respect, those are opinions that you share - not documented
history - such as the Bible is.

And again, I stress - you don't have to make the same choice(s) as the ones
who choose to follow God. That choice is yours and yours alone.

The bible is not documented history any more than "Weaveworld" is. Do you pray to Clive Barker as well?

Those are not opinions, those are actual verifiable facts, unlike this bible you talk about.

I do not choose to follow a god but I am even more opposed to people that say they do and then slowly drown in ignorance and hypocrisy.

Can you refute anything I said with any real facts or just more crap you cherry picked from some book with no basis in reality?

Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Originally posted by Gwynniver

Bottom line - stop blaming God for mankind's evil choices.

I think that is quite impossible, because god created mankind. He is supposedly all-knowing, so he knew from scratch what we would be like. Yet he created us so he is definitely responsible for the misery of this world. He knew beforehand who would do what, so 1.) he created evil and 2.)there is no such thing as free will, because it was determined from day one what would happen. If god wouldn know that all, how can he be all-knowing
If you actually really believe in this god and what he says is true, then face up to the fact that he is indeed responsible.

God created mankind perfect - it was satan who approached Adam and Eve in the Garden and tempted them - which led to sin. From that point on, mankind was born into sin - we are, by and at birth, sinners separated from God. Enter Jesus Christ, who was sent as our only way out to avoid eternal damnation. IF we accept Him as our Lord and Savior, we escape eternal hell.

Again, it depends on us to make the right choice.

This is a big part of what is wrong with the bible and people that claim to believe it. I have my bible right here and nowhere does it mentions Satan tempting Adam and Eve. It only mentions a talking snake. The story is a lot easier to swallow when we say that Satan spoiled the first humans but according to the very book that story comes from...it was just a talking snake.

You are continuing what is called "a tradition of man". No such thing as a talking snake in Genesis, or is there an apple.
The correct trnslation of the word you use to call satan a talking snake actually is "a shining one", Nachash I believe it is. Jesus says that satan can be seen as "an angel of light". This thread can easily be seperated in 2 categories. Traditions of man and Biblical truths.
90% fall in the first category