The Great Lie is John 3:16

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posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 10:14 AM
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helen.........

you would be a hoot to take to waffle house at 3 in the morning so you could tell everyone what losers they are.

what is it exactly that you get out of browbeating everyone with your biblical diatribe?

are you dating jesus or something?

seems like you have that "Onward Christian Soldiers" stance waiting for an attack from some other "soldier"....go to Iraq.

did god tell you he needs you to defend him..........you might want to look into those drugs that make both sides of the brain work at once....it's called...ummmm...vioxx....no...it's ummm....ritalin...no it's called......


reality.......

yeah...that's it....

peas




posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by theonlyrusty


helen.........

you would be a hoot to take to waffle house at 3 in the morning so you could tell everyone what losers they are.

what is it exactly that you get out of browbeating everyone with your biblical diatribe?

are you dating jesus or something?

seems like you have that "Onward Christian Soldiers" stance waiting for an attack from some other "soldier"....go to Iraq.

did god tell you he needs you to defend him..........you might want to look into those drugs that make both sides of the brain work at once....it's called...ummmm...vioxx....no...it's ummm....ritalin...no it's called......


reality.......

yeah...that's it....

peas

Hi t.o.r/

War in Iraq and all wars are man made!
I guess war happens and has let it happen, because man has lost all faith in himself and all that is ABOVE!

and drugs just ain't cool!
By whatever name they are given!
take care,

ICXC NIKA
helen



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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If you reverse extrapolate the bible,the koran and any other religous doctrine you will find the truths contained within the stories,they will all be paralell but they will most certainly NOT ALL BE WHAT YOU EXPECT,I gaurantee it.It is easy to do and will change your perspective immediatly.



posted on May, 4 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Gods Son is NOT a human Primate..


But is "The MAN Child".

While A'DAM and ALL his descendants are Primates.

But "The Son of Man" also known as "The Man Child" is NOT a Primate
but instead a Component of The Soul.

The Roman church and all its breakaway denominations
would have you believe that the Son of God is a Primate....


J.C. (Not the Carpenter) was known as "The Son of MAN"

And NOT "The Son of A'DAM"...


The Carpenter was NOT the Word, but instead "The Word Made Flesh"...

But then.... ALL comes via The WORD.

2 Parts to God, that make the 3rd component.

a. The WORD (Not your family bible).

b. The LIFE which is The LIGHT of MAN Not A'DAM.


The life of A'DAM was the Breath i.e. Air.

The LIFE of The Soul is The LIGHT.

The bible has Nothing at all to do with the human species...

It is a Parable for the SOUL, and Not the Flesh.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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The BIGGEST lie ever told is heaven itself.

NO WHERE in the bible does it state or teach that people go to heaven or hell after death no where.

This even has the support of a leading new testament scholar and Former Bishop Of Durham.I recommend reading his book " surprised by hope re thinking heaven".

And before you cry "cult cult cult" I don't think the Bishop is in a cult..He has been spending the last 50 years studying bible theology.If anyone should know..I think it's him considering most Christians have never picked up there bible for more than the 10 seconds at church every other Sunday.

In the Bible death is described as a state of total unconsciousness devoid of awareness, knowledge or perception (see Psalm 6:5; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10). If we accept the Bible's description of death, we realize that those who returned to consciousness or were medically revived and later related their experiences were not really dead in the true sense.

Notice again Paul's description of this astounding event: "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep [die], but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). As explained in the previous chapter, those who have died are unconscious, as if they are sleeping a dreamless sleep, awaiting their time to be called out of the grave and resurrected to a new life. The period from the last moment of consciousness until they are awakened in the resurrection will seem as if no time had passed at all, just as if they were waking from sleep or from a coma.

"But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep [died], lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the cloudsto meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17).
show that those in this resurrection will not stay in "heaven" (in this case the earth's atmosphere—"the air," as it states) with Christ, but will descend with Him as He takes control of and begins to reign over the nations (see Daniel 2:44; 7:13-18; Zechariah

What did Jesus' early disciples teach about death? The book of Acts records the apostle Peter's powerful sermon in which he mentioned ancient Israel's King David and his lack of consciousness while awaiting his resurrection. "Men and brethren," exhorted Peter, "let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day . . . For David did not ascend into
the heavens . . ." (Acts 2:29, 34). If people truly are alive in heaven with God the Father and Jesus Christ as so many believe, surely King David would be among them. But Peter said David is dead and buried and not in heaven.

Heaven is a lie used to control the masses..I can't believe that SOOOO many people are blindsided by this and have no idea that there own bible say's when they die..they are just dead! no heaven! heaven it supposed to come to earth.Supposed to....Not that I believe that is will.But according to the bible..yes.



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Paradise...Heaven comes down as a city with 12 gates.....after the millenial reign....1000 years from now or so.
but we have paradise. Time is only for us in this reality, huh!
edit on 10-1-2012 by GBP/JPY because: Yahweh is our new king



posted on Jan, 10 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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Even in paradise people are not aware of anything.

We are taught the resurrection by Christ and his disciples over and over in the Bible, but people will not except Christ at his own word. As for the theif on the cross, Christ said he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights after his crucifixion right? If thats so, and we know it is, how could the theif have been with Christ in Paradise that very day? Luke 23:43 Jesus said the theif would be with him in paradise. If we can prove where Jesus went when he died, the you can know if the thief really went to paradise that day. John gives us proof of where Jesus was. "Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre,wherein was never man yet laid. There"-in the tomb, the grave-'laid they Jesus"(John19:41-42) It was Jesus who was laid in the tomb, not just the body of Jesus. Jesus was dead! To make it plainer, read Acts 2:31 Peter speaks of the prophet David, saying "He[David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." This proves Jesus was not in Paradise, but in hell, or the grave. The greek word used by Peter is hades, meaning "the grave" Since Jesus was not in Paradise that day, the day of the crucifixion, then neither was the thief. Christ has preeeminence in all things Colossians 1:18 and the thief couldnt have preceded Christ to paradise. Whenever the thief enters paradise, Christ will be there too! He said so: "With me shalt thou be in paradise" Remember, the thief asked earlier, "Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy Kingdom"(Luke 23:42) the fact is that Jesus has not yet come into his Kingdom (Luke 11:2, 19:11; Icorinth 11:26) Also, proper punctuation helps explain Luke 23:43. Most translations are improperly punctuated to make it appear that Jesus would be in paradise that day. However, as we saw above, the Bible proves Jesus was not in Paradise that day. A comma placed before the word "today" is incorrect. The comma should follow it; "Verily I say unto thee today, shat thou be with me in Paradise." By using the word "today," Jesus was stressing the time of his promise, not the time he would be in Paradise. Punctuation was not used in the inspired Greek that Luke wrote. It was added centuries later by men. The thief is still dead and buried. Jesus alone is the firstborn from the dead (Romans 8:29; Acts 26:23) But the time is coming when the thief will be resurrected and eventually enter the Paradise of God promised to come to this earth. We already know that in death there is no thoughts or awareness.Although your spirit your "personality"(not soul) because people are souls according to the bible.So yes paradise but your still not aware of this.You are still asleep at rest but with God..not aware of being with God.Paradise is God's kingdom on earth they are the same.The thief will wake up after death and be in "paradise" With God on earth.



posted on Dec, 25 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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posted on Dec, 27 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...

John 3:16 is in a copy of the gospel of John dating to around 200 AD.

Constantine didn't have anything to do with it.



posted on Dec, 27 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by nomorecruelty

Originally posted by discolo
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So........a talking snake.......told a naked woman.....to eat a magic apple!!
That makes me a sinner?


No, what makes you, and all the rest of us, sinners is the choices WE make every day of our lives -

.....such as murder, lying, stealing, coveting, slander, homosexuality, adultery, prostitution, etc.

We are ALL sinners - not just you, my friend - ALL of us.

The ONLY thing that we, as humans, can do in order to escape damnation is to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

And nope, you don't have to choose Jesus - that is entirely up to you.



Why do you believe this nonsensical dogma?

My neighbor had a baby two days ago. Is the baby a sinner already?

I met a young boy in a jungle village in a remote area of Thailand. A week after I left he was killed by an elephant. Is he facing eternal damnation because he never heard of Jesus? Do you really believe this? If so, why?

Do you really worship a God who would eternally damn a human soul that never heard of Jesus?



posted on Dec, 27 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Honeybee, that view is not consistant with the fullness of scripture:

Luke 16
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[f] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers[g]—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”



posted on Dec, 27 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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i think the perception of christ changes everything.

if you think of it as "one person who lived 2000 yrs ago" then your position in this thread is completely valid.

however if you take the "christ" concept and pluralize it... as a "potential" within everyone...

then it changes the perception completely....

as in.. "christ" being a potential of behavior that anyone can elevate to.. and through a guiding force.. higher than us.. (i'm not claiming supernatural) .. that these behaviors are monitored and logged..
and when something "occurs"...

then one may be saved... because they "believed" in that "potential" .. and that "potential" of common good behavior.. is essentially "the only begotten son"... the actual "child of god" .. because it is "like god".. or "like what god wishes us to be"...

whether you think it's the Abrahamic "God" or not doesn't make any difference in this matter...

it's a potential for everyone not just the one character titled the Nazarene.

that's my story and i'm sticking to it.



posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Rise27
Honeybee, that view is not consistant with the fullness of scripture:

Luke 16
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[f] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers[g]—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”


Great passage.

This proves according to the scripture that you don't need to believe in Jesus to get to heaven. Lazarus was taken to heaven and he never knew Jesus. Same with Abraham. This is a very profound anomoly that I've yet to hear and bible scholar explain rationally.
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by sconner755

Originally posted by Rise27
Honeybee, that view is not consistant with the fullness of scripture:

Luke 16
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[f] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers[g]—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”


Great passage.

This proves according to the scripture that you don't need to believe in Jesus to get to heaven. Lazarus was taken to heaven and he never knew Jesus. Same with Abraham. This is a very profound anomoly that I've yet to hear and bible scholar explain rationally.
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What you will find from the rest of scripture is that entry is based on faith in God's word.

Notice how in this passage, that the reason they were going to torment is because they did not believe. So he wanted someone to go back to convince them of what was true.

Abraham believed God, and had a true faith in what God said by acting on what God told him (obedience to God, submission to God's will), and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

Jesus also tells us that Abraham saw Christ's coming in the future, and rejoiced. He looked forward to Christ, in faith.
Abraham was saved because he put his trust in what was true.

Jesus tells us dozens of times in the gospels that faith in Him is the way to salvation. Faith in what He is saying, faith in who He is.
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posted on Dec, 28 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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old thread but cool topic. i attend no churches but do a lot of reading so i thought i would comment. seems to me when you read the old writings, the authentic ones, you begin to create a picture of what anyone would possibly mean by the words they spoke. for me when i hear these teachings, it seems almost scientific in it's approach.

yes i said scientific in a Jesus thread, kill me now or forever hold your peace.




i think we're all in God's class, GodScience 101 and when we die, we get to see if we can move onto GodScience 201, which of course will probably bring with it, an entirely new classroom.





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