The Great Lie is John 3:16, page 2
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reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 12:58 PM by dusty1
reply to post by Kailassa



Where is the supposed contrast? Both God and Jesus give people a chance. Some are truly wicked and are cut of from everlasting life.


Funny thing about the story of Lot. Nothing is ever said about the rape gang that wanted the male angels for their own pleasure. Lot is always the bad guy it seems.

I don't know what was going through Lot's mind. Did he try to protect God's angels with what was most valuable to him? The men in that mob were his neighbors. He may have thought they wouldn't harm his girls and come to their senses.

By the way nothing happened to the girls.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 01:11 PM by discolo
reply to post by nomorecruelty



So........a talking snake.......told a naked woman.....to eat a magic apple!!
That makes me a sinner?


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 01:29 PM by Moonman1111
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all made up myths and lies and is man made until you personally witness and experience him for yourself and thats when you will have nothing but embarassment, shame, and regrets for how you walked in the flesh rather than the spirit. Most people who are still asleep have no idea that he has been the damn truth the whole time and have no idea who they are themselves. They think they are the flesh that makes up their body. They think they have no soul. I could share a few of my experiences when I was still being in the process of reborn from this world and how I saw Christ in all of this. This was during a time when I was having demonic attacks, was being gang stalked, was seeing UFO's and appirations etc etc. I remember one day I was in church, I had went to church while this was all happening and before this I prob hadn't been in church for over 10 years. But anyways I was in church and they had a giant crucifix in front and I wanted to laugh at Christ. Didn't know why I just wanted to laugh. Well needless to say I ended up walking out of that church before they were even finished and I got home sat down and turned the TV on. First thing I see on TV is some female Jewish comedian who instantly made me think of the 'Jackal' and the first words she said was 'Have you ever been in church and wanted to laugh', I knew then what was being played and some of the pieces of everything started falling in place. That was about almost a year ago and I its like apples and oranges. You can't really understand the concept of being reborn until you yourself have done it. And I can't believe I used to laugh and mock Christ and his Holy Ghost. Because he is nothing but love, comfort, and can show your heart how he wants you to live. Its basically spiritual warfare that takes place inside of you. Thats what it comes down to on this planet. That is the greatest game and struggle being played right now. Everything else is a distraction. NWO, banking elite, etc etc is all a distraction from what we all need to be doing. And that is to be reborn with God and to see the truth.



reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 01:36 PM by Moonman1111
reply to post by hotbakedtater



Only the false religion of Islam has verses that command its followers to kill those who don't believe.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 01:59 PM by Gwynniver
reply to post by nomorecruelty



Yeah yeah, I heard this song a thousand times. But you're COMPLETELY missing my point, or perhaps you're igoring it.
I wrote:

I think that is quite impossible, because god created mankind. He is supposedly all-knowing, so he knew from scratch what we would be like.

So you are trying to tell me god created satan and he didn't know what was going to happen? He had no clue as to what we would do? If so, your god is NOT all-knowing. Then he would be a liar. If he did know what was going to happen as one might expect from an all-knowing god, he created us knowing what we would become. Then he WOULD be responsible. Like a parent allowing his child to play with matches, to keep the father figure around.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 02:18 PM by The Baby Seal Club
reply to post by Gwynniver



Well said.

It always amazes me how people will tell you how all-knowing and powerful God is, and then turn right around and tell you how God didn't expect man to act this way or that things didn't go according to God's plan.

Lots of people don't understand the concept of all-knowing.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 02:45 PM by dusty1
reply to post by Gwynniver



So you are trying to tell me god created satan and he didn't know what was going to happen?


God created an angel with free will that chose to become Satan.

Angels and humans have always had free will. If God interfered, it wouldn't be free will. We have to chose to do things His way.

Your choices are not predetermined. God can see the future, but people make their choices. Problems arise when someone with bad intentions exerts their free will on others.

God has a purpose, that cannot be thwarted. In the end, everyone screwed over by Satan's scheme will have a second chance.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 03:15 PM by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by dusty1
reply to
post by Kailassa



Where is the supposed contrast? Both God and Jesus give people a chance. Some are truly wicked and are cut of from everlasting life.


Funny thing about the story of Lot. Nothing is ever said about the rape gang that wanted the male angels for their own pleasure. Lot is always the bad guy it seems.

I don't know what was going through Lot's mind. Did he try to protect God's angels with what was most valuable to him? The men in that mob were his neighbors. He may have thought they wouldn't harm his girls and come to their senses.

By the way nothing happened to the girls.


My guess is that you are getting your information from something other than the King James Bible?

The male neighbors wanted the men inside of the house - and demanded they come out so they could "know" them. Lot, and his family, were allowed to escape the fire and brimstone, BY God, and then Lot's wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt.

Everyone was destroyed except Lot and his kids.
You can see the remains of the two cities HERE


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 03:21 PM by nomorecruelty
reply to post by Gwynniver



Maybe you are confusing "all knowing" with "all controlling"?

What good would it be if God created us with Him totally at the wheel of our choices - wouldn't that be sort of like a "Stepford Wives" movie? There would have been no point in our creation, nor in Him creating humanity ever.

God is God, and He wants us to not only love Him, but also to admire and be in awe of Him.
The ONLY thing that would keep us, mankind, from doing that for Him would be OUR pride and vanity.

I fully believe that He will use the bad times and bad things in our lives to give us a choice of asking for His help/faith/strength, or to think we can do it allllll on our own.

If everything in life, everything on this planet - all went good and everything was always peachy keen ............. what is the point of a planet, or species, like that?

Humans only learn lessons in bad times - because when things are going good for us, and we aren't whining about things, we don't learn squat.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 03:29 PM by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by discolo
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post by nomorecruelty



So........a talking snake.......told a naked woman.....to eat a magic apple!!
That makes me a sinner?


No, what makes you, and all the rest of us, sinners is the choices WE make every day of our lives -

.....such as murder, lying, stealing, coveting, slander, homosexuality, adultery, prostitution, etc.

We are ALL sinners - not just you, my friend - ALL of us.

The ONLY thing that we, as humans, can do in order to escape damnation is to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

And nope, you don't have to choose Jesus - that is entirely up to you.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 04:11 PM by The Baby Seal Club
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Originally posted by discolo
reply to
post by nomorecruelty





No, what makes you, and all the rest of us, sinners is the choices WE make every day of our lives -

.....such as murder, lying, stealing, coveting, slander, homosexuality, adultery, prostitution, etc.

We are ALL sinners - not just you, my friend - ALL of us.





I'm sorry but I didn't catch which one of the 10 commandments covers homosexuality or prostitution.
I guess it all depends on your definition of sin.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 04:14 PM by nomorecruelty
reply to post by The Baby Seal Club



Adultery covers both of those - sex is sex.

The Ten Commandments are not the only commandments/laws in the Bible.

If you are interested, all of God's laws are detailed in the Bible- as well as His
promises for those of us that overcome this sinful world.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 04:30 PM by manbird12000
When men believe that they are the hub of the wheel, they will always see things in reverse and kill others. But when he learns that he is only a spoke of a body he sees the answer to everything in existence in the 3rd dimension.

I hardly think that we will ever make progress on our quest for answers if we continue to not acknowledge the existence of higher dimensions.

In that particular verse of John in the absolute truth and compared to the Akashic Record means that your spirit will not be slayed if you acknowledge your vision of the Source and you Belief with no uncertainty that it is it's body that you live within. In that conscience of spiri, you will know that you are all things on this planet, with the gift of being allowed to reincarnate and eventually ascend to a higher conscience being. Perhaps a planet and eventually a Star, or Galaxy..Universe....on and on. But the fact is that your physical death on this earth, is nothing but a severed finger on the hands of your higher being. From that perception you will realize that you are not dead...but VERY alive.


As long as people think physical death is proof of non existence, they will never understand the bible or anything related to the truth of our Universe and creation.

The person who wrote that verse was channeling from the higher self. These are the words of truth, and in the truth, you will never realized you have ever died. But in your disbelief of your higher selves and that of the Source, you will spend the final moments of your life sucked into the vortex of negative energy, where you will no doubt reincarnate at a lower level to relearn what you lacked in vision. Perhaps living a more enslaved life than the one before...


Law of attraction and the Court of Karma. They are very swift and exact in the final hour.







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reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 04:31 PM by The Baby Seal Club
reply to post by nomorecruelty



I think you're confusing all-knowing and omnipotence. God is omnipotent. Before time began, God already knew how it would end and everything in between.
You mention God's wrath and the end of days as if God is an angry child..."What?! Those puny humans want to ignore my commandments? I'll show them!" Dude, God knew before he created the universe that we would be like we are. He can't help it, he's God.
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