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reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 11:25 AM by Stop-loss!
reply to post by BuffaloJoe



Very true. It won't be long till Obama is taken care of by TPTB and we are all set into place like pawns once again.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 11:31 AM by Dolby_X
reply to post by DarkspARCS



Ho boy so if i take your words U.S.A. invented anything ? Without you the world is nothing ? ... that's is exactly why the WORLD hate you ! It a shame to have neighborhood like this. Have you ever think that before America the Human race was moving foward.. it's not the U.S.A. that done it all.

Yeah america was a great place to live, but now we got only a fake democracy. Exemple take our parliament here in Canada... We still use the old English system. So if you can elect a guy from a party you cant elect the ones who will be Minister or Prime minister. That form of democracy look more like a "Dictatorial democracy"

--sorry for my english


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 11:57 AM by romanmel
reply to post by gwydionblack



S&F...Good post!

I will only add these few thoughts. The US has been slipping into demise for over 50 years. Instrumentalism has worked well for TPTB to bring about where we now find ourselves, without raising much of a fuss amongst the masses.

In the last two years what we have seen is the greatest transfer of wealth in history. Trillions of dollars has been transferred from the working class to the elite class. This has been done guised as bailouts and stimulus. What reality shows is that the 401k’s and other retirement funds have been raided and given to rich off-shore owned banksters as free funds with no accounting necessary
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The late George Carlin in one of his final appearances told it better than anyone else could have. I have linked to his rant about “The Owners of this Country”. (A word of caution: This clip has some typical Carlin foul-language):

www.youtube.com...


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 12:07 PM by OutKast Searcher
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Gwydion...you are using the division of health care to try to garner support for your cause. You failed to even talk about how the health care bill is wrong or unconstitutional. Because you know that it doesn't matter...you know that PROPAGANDA doesn't need to be truthful.

You are just as bad as those you are supposedly against.

This is just more drama and delusions of grandeur...revolution is not a gurantee. The margin of people that support/oppose this health care bill is around 8%...if you trust national polls. The margin is even smaller or not existent if you ask if they oppose this because of no public option. It is even smaller or reversed if you ask if congress should pass this bill or do nothing.

YOU have been the victim of propaganda and lies....not the other way around.

People are afraid of losing their excess. People are afraid of losing their material possessions. Whether you like it or not, our minds are focused and built around little slips of green paper, nearly everything we do in life is to maintain those little slips of green.

Money and material has become the bane of society and now, for fear of losing your wealth


Isn't that the capitalistic American dream??? Are you turning socialist??? Because this sounds like socialist rhetoric...of course twisted and concealed to fit your cause.

So what are you for...people working hard for those little slips of green paper? Or are you for the "greater good"???


Just know that all over the country, millions - yes MILLIONS are waking up.


On both sides my friend...don't act like you have more support than you do. For every crazy revolutionary on here...I see at least one, sometimes 2-3 oppose them.

The Tea Party marchers on Washington represent the average Americans. You can choose to believe the mass media that they are all "racist republicans" or you can believe the truth that they are average Americans fighting for a better tomorrow.


Very average Americans...not a revolutionary fighting force. Old ladies and overweight men...not to mention almost entirely white. On second thought...no...not average americans at all. An "average" American group would have some diversity in that group. Are you going to deny that they are not almost entierly white?

Do not consider this a prophecy, do not consider it an inkling, consider this cold, hard, fact.

There will be revolution in this country within the next two years.


More and more delusions of grandeur...we get it...you want to be part of something "big". Don't worry...you are young and it will pass. It is a built in instinct and desire...that is why it is easy to get young kids to sign up for the military.

The voices of the people have been ignored and spat upon



Prove it...I show quite easily in my thread that this bill isn't overwhelmingly opposed...they can't even get a simply majority against it. Add in those opposed because no public option or single payer...and you have a way different picture then you are attempting to paint.

Is the Health Care Reform Bill really overwhelmingly opposed by the American Public???


We are not an ignorant and stupid people. We are capable of running ourselves. If they choose to ignore that fact then soon, it will be shouted from rooftops. It will be yelled with every gunshot fired.


So your logic is that if you don't get your way...start shooting people...to hell with the CONSTITUTION. Because despite all your propaganda...you and others have failed to show that anything about this bill is unconstitutional.

Do you side with the health care bill and accept it "for the greater good" regardless of its limitations on the individual and our rights?

-or-

Do you denounce such things in the name of liberty and our Constitution, for an ACTUAL greater good come tomorrow?


I support health care reform...because I actually care about my fellow countrymen. I would like to see them all to be able to be treated if they get sick. You seem to just want to kill your fellow countrymen.


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 12:09 PM by XxsatsukiyamixX
Let's face it. We're all tired of this health care reform debate. We know what's at stake -- an eventual complete government takeover of our health care system.

We know that the various health care reform bill price tags of just below one trillion dollars are all deceptive. Government health care programs always end up costing much more than initially advertised. And, as for the ten-year CBO estimates, the system is being gamed by starting the taxes immediately and phasing in the benefits later in the ten year period, not to mention separating the Medicare doctor payment fix (hundreds of billions of dollars in new costs) from the main health care reform bills.

Let's call it what it is: socialized medicine. And, it's not just the Democrats. Many Republicans are itching to give us socialized medicine-lite.

In light of the horrible fiscal situation our nation is in, it is utterly fiscally irresponsible to vote yes for one of these trillion dollar health care reform bills, such as the 2308-page H.R. 3590, and the Reconciliation Bill which is currently being considered by the House.

Furthermore, in light of the rampant congressional disregard for constitutional restraints on the federal government, it is utterly irresponsible to vote yes on one of these bills, which would establish a huge, new unconstitutional activity of the federal government.

Bottom line, whether H.R. 3590 passes or not, how each congressman votes on it will be a top issue in the congressional election campaign of 2010. Hopefully you have let your congressman know what impact his vote on H.R. 3590 will have on your participation in the campaign of 2010. This is ultimately the only leverage you have on your congressman. Use it!

Not to mention get on C-span Now The House is in Order &....The representatives are about to commence, History will be made today in one way or another.

I pray for it to not pass...damn,,,this has been on my mind for months,weeks and thesse past few days..So much so I have a headache right now.It is time to see the future unfold, and to see if we really do have an opinion anymore.
Or to see the debt our me,and every other taxpayer will have to chuck up. what will face the children,born and unborn children of the new will have to face.

/satsukiyami


reply posted on 21-3-2010 @ 12:20 PM by Phenomium
reply to post by gwydionblack





Are you afraid that instead of eating out one night you might have to sit at home and make a home cooked meal for you and your family?


I think more than anything it's the welfare of their families they worry about. Most seem to think that if they sit back and support the government in all of their endeavors that they will at least be able to feed their families. Were they to uprise against the government, it wold be a sure bet that their children would starve and possibly be murdered, or at the very least, hurt. Once a country has started a revolution, there must first come anarchy before a new government is established. People today have to ask themselves one question. DO I become a martyr for future generations and sacrifice all.....including my children, in the war or do I bow down to a government who I have bowed down to since my birth and just hope they don't become too tyranical in my lifetime. Most choose the latter because we are already used to it and have been trained for subservience. That is why people are scared to do anything. It's not themselves they worry about. Most of us have children we are not so eager to sacrifice in a war against government military who are trained to kill you and your children upon command.

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