Because it is unconstitutional, an economy destroyer, and at this point in time may even possibly be the straw that broke the camels back?

The funny thing is many people still think that this HCR will be good for them.

Why does it always have to be racist? I don't have anything against Kenyans, but I do have something against jerks like obama wanting us to be Europe.

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Sorry I linked the wrong article.Thanks for pointing it out.

You know people make mistakes you don't need to call me stupid.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by genius/idoit]

Originally posted by oppaperclip
Why does it always have to be racist? I don't have anything against Kenyans, but I do have something against jerks like obama wanting us to be Europe.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by oppaperclip]

I think the OP was referring to "racists" facetiously. Obviously he does not believe these people are racist.

It will be interesting to see how all of this pans out. I honestly don't think America is ready for healthcare reform yet.

It's sad really. England pulled it off in 1948 yet we still can't seem to get our act together.


EDIT to add: Constitutionally, the states have the right to pass legislation like this and effectively nullify sections of the health care reform bill. Now I am really interested to see if the Federal government will allow this, or violate the constitution in order to force HCR through.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by drwizardphd]

You can't pay for anyone's health care (by way of insurance) without pooling a large aggregate of independent risk. That means my paying into health care might pay for somebody else to have some procedure done, at a cost/benefit loss to myself. It might also mean that somebody else will inevitably pay for my expensive procedures, at a cost/benefit gain to myself -- depending on what unforeseeable accidents/events occur in the future.

This is why I thought it would have been much more preferable to have a single payer system, where all risk is pooled into one non-profit fund, rather than distributed across a dozen or so large healthcare providers who make money off not treating consumers.

We are seeing the beginnings of the only way the American citizen is going to get the federal gov. under control. Its time for the states to put a stop to this abuse of the commerce clause that congress seems to think covers just about anything.
The states need to call a constitutional convention, and reassert their rights under the 9th and 10th amendments.

As can be seen with the debacle going on in congress this weekend our representatives feel secure enough to no longer even make a the attempt to hide their avarices. They no longer follow the wishes of their constituents but rather now exalt themselves and tell us they know what is best for us despite our objections.

My federal government no longer represents me or obeys the constitution upon which it was created. I call upon my state government to do all in its power to see that the imperial federal government returns to its constitutional limits or in the event it cannot do so it I call for my state government to pronounce the famous words of South Carolina,

“The union now subsisting between South Carolina, and the other states under the name of the United States of America, is herby dissolved.

Well,I have been involved in a socialist government funded health care program for many years and will always have it.

The V.A. health care system is so over run with fraud and incompetency it is almost incomprehensible.

ANYTHING the government is involved in will quickly turn in to a big heap of cow dung.

BRAVO USA

finnaly some ballz there
so good news at wake up

Because it has little or nothing to do with HCR. It is about a massive power grap attempt, that trashes States Right-they wish to preserve those, to ensure it citizens remain free from undo Gov't interntion and dam right involving themselves in your person life.

Redistribution of Wealth woudl be the next angle. Taking form the ones who earned it and giving it to ones not contributing properlly to the overall economy.

The onslaught of Federally mandated cost passed on to the States which the States can't afford.

The State being left out of the whole process.

And the forthcoming mass legalization of illegal people in the US-which would automatically be eligable for the HCR-thus breaking the bank.

In a nut shell.

I just wish these same states would've stood up to Bush when he was passing the Patriot Act. I still don't understand how the party of "small government" allowed that bill to pass. Where was the tea party then?

I agree that this whole health care "reform" issue has turned into one big mess, but that doesn't let the neocons off the hook for their past misdeeds. We need to vote out the snake oil salesmen on both sides, neocons and liberals alike, and start again fresh.

Good. This bill is so ridiculous...it goes way beyond health care reform. It's insanely expensive and it's unconstitutional. Nobody should be forced to buy health care insurance if they don't want to.

I am all for health care reform (i.e. getting rid of the anti-trust exemption that insurance companies now enjoy, making it illegal for insurance companies to deny insurance policies to those with pre-existing conditions illegal, etc..). I worked in the health care industry for 17 years, and I know it needs reform...we all do. But what this bill is proposing to do is go way beyond health care reform.

It would be soooo much cheaper if they just started out by removing the anti-trust exemption that health insurance companies enjoy (and abuse) right now.

Nobody should be forced to buy health care insurance. We should however, be able to buy health insurance if we have a pre-existing condiiton. If its illegal to discriminate against race, why can't it be illegal to discriminate against pre-existing health conditions??

What we should do is make this a discrimination issue....not a health care issue. Because that's what it is...discrimination. If we had any senators or congressman that weren't completely in the pocket of the health insurance companies, maybe one of them would have had the balls (or the ovaries) to propose a law making it illegal to discriminate against a person's genetic predisposition....whether that is race, color, creed, or pre-existing health conditions.

But, they have all been bribed or bought...so therefore, instead, we get this ridiculous bill that will make the insurance companies even richer.



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